2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[rhigh2390]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

The videos from St. Pete Florida tonight are just stupid. Most people are going to be angry at these things and no matter what the initial cause for the protest is; they'll hate it because of experiences and videos like this.

https://twitter.com/ByJoshFiallo/sta...27845687799812

And in Florida. Dems better get this nonsense under control ASAP.

What a bunch of useless idiots. The fact that they think stuff like that helps their cause just shows the idiocy of their minds.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

The videos from St. Pete Florida tonight are just stupid. Most people are going to be angry at these things and no matter what the initial cause for the protest is; they'll hate it because of experiences and videos like this.

https://twitter.com/ByJoshFiallo/sta...27845687799812

And in Florida. Dems better get this nonsense under control ASAP.

It does seem like obnoxious nonsense. These Republican states are really out of control

We have a Republican President, Republican Senate majority, & Republican Florida Governor.

Maybe time to hand the country back to the Dems.

[quackhead]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

It does seem like obnoxious nonsense. These Republican states are really out of control

We have a Republican President, Republican Senate majority, & Republican Florida Governor.

Maybe time to hand the country back to the Dems.

Rick Kriseman is a Democrat

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

It does seem like obnoxious nonsense. These Republican states are really out of control

We have a Republican President, Republican Senate majority, & Republican Florida Governor.

Maybe time to hand the country back to the Dems.

Um, I think these idiots are literally doing the opposite of what you're suggesting.
Let the idiots keep pushing sane people to the right.
And if a few of the idiots get the snot beat out of them that would just be the cherry on top.

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[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Um, I think these idiots are literally doing the opposite of what you're suggesting.
Let the idiots keep pushing sane people to the right.
And if a few of the idiots get the snot beat out of them that would just be the cherry on top.

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I don't understand how a botched pandemic response & constant protests/deteriorating police-civilian relations under Republican leadership would push people right.
Yes, let's sign up for 4 more years of this shhhshow.

Please explain

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

I don't understand how a botched pandemic response & constant protests/deteriorating police-civilian relations under Republican leadership would push people right.
Yes, let's sign up for 4 more years of this shhhshow.

Please explain

I see; so if Dems gain power, all Republicans have to do is riot, so you'll say "I don't understand how all the riots under Democratic leadership would push people to the left"

Do you hear yourself? Blame the party in power, rather than the rioters, can you give power to riots. Not cool.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I see; so if Dems gain power, all Republicans have to do is riot, so you'll say "I don't understand how all the riots under Democratic leadership would push people to the left"

Do you hear yourself? Blame the party in power, rather than the rioters, can you give power to riots. Not cool.

Blame Dems for everything, while continuing to take zero national accountability and reassert that things will magically improve under the same leadership that got us into this mess.

That seems logical.

[TheFrenzy]

Lot of rioters carrying water for Putin tonight.

At this point the "B" in BLM might as well stand for "Borscht."

[GoBeavs]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

I don't understand how a botched pandemic response & constant protests/deteriorating police-civilian relations under Republican leadership would push people right.
Yes, let's sign up for 4 more years of this shhhshow.

Please explain

It's because moderates are seeing the left catering to those who have no respect for others, and willfully destroy their own cities. They may even agree with the reasons behind the riots, but the behavior and lack of action turns regular people off even more. This behavior already got Trump elected once, and is making this race closer than it should ever be.

There are two ways that each candidate could easily win this race. Biden could do so if he were to denounce the riotous behavior. Trump could do so if he turned off the twitter, and showed even an ounce of empathy.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by GoBeavs

It's because moderates are seeing the left catering to those who have no respect for others, and willfully destroy their own cities. They may even agree with the reasons behind the riots, but the behavior and lack of action turns regular people off even more. This behavior already got Trump elected once, and is making this race closer than it should ever be.

There are two ways that each candidate could easily win this race. Biden could do so if he were to denounce the riotous behavior. Trump could do so if he turned off the twitter, and showed even an ounce of empathy.

Biden already denounced the riots though.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...olent-protests

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/polit...ech/index.html

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKBN25V2O1

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...er/5706355002/

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...ting-in-new-ad

[GoBeavs]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Biden already denounced the riots though.

Sorry. STRONGLY denounce them so that people believe him. With his party not backing up his words, they ring hollow. Granted this does mean a lot is out of his hands, but he could push them to help him more.

The main reason is that the further out the left goes, the more the middle gets pushed to the right (and vice versa). Which is why this should be an easy election for him to win; as he's probably the closer to moderate of the two. It's just not showing yet.

[Pete Schweddy]

So is Rand Paul going to change the name of the proposed Justice for Breonna Taylor Act since it wasn't a no knock warrant?

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Blame Dems for everything, while continuing to take zero national accountability and reassert that things will magically improve under the same leadership that got us into this mess.



That seems logical.

Are you insinuating this mess started with Trump's presidency?
Tell me you're not that naive or stupid.
How many of these idiots protesting, rioting, looting, harassing restaurant goers, blocking roadways, are Trump/Republican supporters?
The playing dumb act isn't a good look for you. That is if you're playing I suppose.


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[Madoka]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Blame Dems for everything, while continuing to take zero national accountability and reassert that things will magically improve under the same leadership that got us into this mess.

That seems logical.

Go senile Biden, a career politician who has done nothing, is somehow your solution?

"Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f**k things up."

- Obama

[ilovethelakings]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Are you insinuating this mess started with Trump's presidency?
Tell me you're not that naive or stupid.
How many of these idiots protesting, rioting, looting, harassing restaurant goers, blocking roadways, are Trump/Republican supporters?
The playing dumb act isn't a good look for you. That is if you're playing I suppose.


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At this point, all of us sane people know she is both of those things.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by persona

I don’t doubt that at all and my wife is white and I’m not the type to believe only negative experiences with the police are just amongst black community.
Unfortunately it happens to all of us and in my case I’ve just had enough.

I’ve had run ins with the police and know plenty of people who feel like they were being unjustifiably questioned or stopped by police, but those people are often always up to some shady business (I usually was) or have a history and are recognized by the cops. Scenarios like yours are different. I’m fairly convinced that low level discrimination is still a problem in America.

It almost seems like the cop was intentionally giving you a hard time just to give you a hard time. If I’m a cop, I’m well aware of the optics of me going up to a house with a black dude outside with his kids and asking if he lives there. That’s a terrible look, AT BEST. I’d be curious what his actual thought process was before he approached you and then once he decided to approach you. “Black man... kids... very high probability he owns this house... but he’s black.. and.. is that a Ferrari?!? Okay.. I’ve seen enough. *calls for backup*”

Reminds me of that Dave Chappelle bit... “this (black man) broke into this house and hung up pictures of his family everywhere!”

Hopefully a positive change comes of this since you’re pursuing it.

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

I don't understand how a botched pandemic response & constant protests/deteriorating police-civilian relations under Republican leadership would push people right.
Yes, let's sign up for 4 more years of this shhhshow.

Please explain

This chaos is being caused by Democrats. Nice try. Electing more Democrats who would continue to pander to the domestic terrorists. People with common sense see through your lies.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Hopefully it doesn't cost you much as this officer seemed out of line. However, your response isn't helpful. I'm all about being angry, but be the bigger man. Make him feel like an idiot for judging you just because black man is successful (we can assume he was doing this).

Look at the Jacob Blake incident, George Floyd, Breonna Taylor. All deaths could have been avoided in many different ways, one being if they just complied.

If it's me, I'm saying, "Yes sir, here's my ID." And then politely tell him that what he did was wrong and uncalled for, etc etc.

Sometimes enough is enough. It’s hard for me to suggest how a minority should feel in cases of clear discrimination. I think trying to stay cool is always the optimal response, but persona’s posted about a few of these run ins before where he took that approach, and now seems fed up. Kids outside.. cop rolls up.. and now he’s in a position where he has to possibly explain to his kids the ugly truth of profiling / discrimination when he just wanted to enjoy his evening with his family on the property he owns with the money he earned.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

Sometimes enough is enough. It’s hard for me to suggest how a minority should feel in cases of clear discrimination. I think trying to stay cool is always the optimal response, but persona’s posted about a few of these run ins before where he took that approach, and now seems fed up. Kids outside.. cop rolls up.. and now he’s in a position where he has to possibly explain to his kids the ugly truth of profiling / discrimination when he just wanted to enjoy his evening with his family on the property he owns with the money he earned.

I'm certainly not accusing him of lying, but wouldn't it be nice to hear both sides before claiming one to be right and the other to be wrong?
With some of the current events and some of the situations in the past I don’t think it's out of line to question anyone's story of a run in with a cop.

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[Boo]

Wonder how many warrants were served yesterday without the cops being shot at? Funny how when you don't resist or shoot at cops, they don't fight or shoot back.

[jk1937]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Biden already denounced the riots though.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...olent-protests

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/polit...ech/index.html

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKBN25V2O1

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...er/5706355002/

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...ting-in-new-ad

he only did this after don lemon called on him to because his polling was dropping do to the riots. if that didn't happen i don't think he would have.

i own a small business and if a cop in my city shoots someone, justified or not, the last thing that should happen is i lose my business because people are outraged. i at least expect people in power to not support or look the other way at that kind of "protest".

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by Onions

No clue on that particular case. Civilians will die at the hands of officers and officers will die at the hands at civilians. I had a friend that was killed responding to a domestic situation. Was it right that he died? Nope. Is it part of the risk of the job he did? Yep.

Mistakes happen. Accidents happen. Dwelling on every single one of them and assigning some sort of societal significance to every single one of them is not productive. Get over it, this will never change as long as any human is alive. Prior to all the rioting, we lived in one of the more tranquil periods in history outside of a few problem areas.

People need to understand this. There is inherent risk in life, and that’s a tough pill to swallow, but situations do go wrong for no good reason. There are bad cops and bad civilians and all sorts of in between, but there are also a lot of honest people doing the best they can and a situation just goes south for one reason or another.

Police shootings of civilians are hovering around historic all time lows. We can do better, but it’s perplexing to me that this is the focal point of the country right now such that every single incident becomes a “pick a side” type thing. The reason a lot of the shootings are ruled justified is because the bar for proving guilt is set so high. There’s a big distinction between “not guilty” and “innocent.” In many of these cases, hindsight is 20/20 and the cops could’ve done something better to improve the possibility of a non-fatal outcome, but that doesn’t necessarily make the cop a murderer for pulling the trigger.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by Astros19

I'm certainly not accusing him of lying, but wouldn't it be nice to hear both sides before claiming one to be right and the other to be wrong?
With some of the current events and some of the situations in the past I don’t think it's out of line to question anyone's story of a run in with a cop.

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The other side would be helpful, and maybe I’m rushing to judgment because I think persona is a solid dude with a level head. I had replied before seeing that some of the other BO members have been randomly approached by the police at their homes as a courtesy drive by. I honestly never knew such a thing occurred. I’ve never had the cops stop by just to say “hi.”

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by jk1937

he only did this after don lemon called on him to because his polling was dropping do to the riots. if that didn't happen i don't think he would have.

i own a small business and if a cop in my city shoots someone, justified or not, the last thing that should happen is i lose my business because people are outraged. i at least expect people in power to not support or look the other way at that kind of "protest".

That was agreed upon by both Lemon and Chris Cuomo around the end of August.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi..._to_stop.html#!

[Chris Lyle]

Thing that will never ever make sense to me, is how sensible is it to scream we need justice and then burn someone's business down, or at least loot it, and to top it off shoot police officers. That isn't going to fix anything