2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[gopherfan]

Originally Posted by GOWIFB

Now how is this going to affect the election? I firmly believe that if Scalia hadn't died in 2016 that Trump would not have won. There were definitely Republicans on the fence about voting for Trump and many might not have voted at all if that opening had not occurred. Is this going to drive more on the fence Republicans to vote for him again? Or will this bring to the forefront again how Obama got screwed over my Mitch delaying the Supreme Court vote for a year and invigorate democrats and independents to be sure to vote for Biden?

First of all, RIP RBG. She was an amazing justice, even if I didn't agree with her views. She meant a lot to this country.

Second, McConnell was wrong in not even bringing Garland up for a vote. I think he should wait until after the election, but he won't. If election year was too soon to bring up a nominee, then 45 days is definitely too soon.

Third, I usually vote 3rd party, but I am a staunch supporter of the 2nd amendment. I voted for Trump exclusively because of the Supreme Court implications. I would likely do the same this time. And I have stated that I would vote for Jorgensen since this thread opened.

I don't think Roe v. Wade will ever be overturned, but this nominee may make it as close as it ever gets.

[DegaBama]

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...ct/5825799002/

The mom blasted the fact that everyone was saying her baby died from COVID. And people still want to trust the numbers? Not surprised, gotta get those baby deaths up!

[gopherfan]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

It's kind of a crap move that the Republicans are going to fill this seat and play the "It was different in 2016!!" card but that's what they are going to do. It's sad, if you thought the protests and riots earlier this year were bad, I don't think you've seen anything. I really do think this country is going to self implode. It won't matter who wins in November, we will be way too divided to accomplish anything. The only thing that could unite us would be an alien invasion and even that you'd have a side welcoming our new overlords and a side trying to fight against them.

What if Trump nominated Garland?

[jdhaugh11]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

That's.......not how heaven works.

The last line was more of a joke, besides none of us know, no matter what a book says.

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[pingbling23]

A wonderful woman passed away and the libs in this thread have to make it about politics and trump. Disgusting.....

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

A wonderful woman passed away and the libs in this thread have to make it about politics and trump. Disgusting.....

Pointing out the hypocrisy of McConnell coming out on the day she died to say there would be a vote on Trump's pick even though there are only 6 weeks before the election isn't libs making it about politics and Trump.

[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by gopherfan

First of all, RIP RBG. She was an amazing justice, even if I didn't agree with her views. She meant a lot to this country.

Second, McConnell was wrong in not even bringing Gorsuch up for a vote. I think he should wait until after the election, but he won't. If election year was too soon to bring up a nominee, then 45 days is definitely too soon.

Third, I usually vote 3rd party, but I am a staunch supporter of the 2nd amendment. I voted for Trump exclusively because of the Supreme Court implications. I would likely do the same this time. And I have stated that I would vote for Jorgensen since this thread opened.

I don't think Roe v. Wade will ever be overturned, but this nominee may make it as close as it ever gets.

i think theres a big difference in obama going out after 8 years and having 2 fresh candidates coming in versus, trump only being halfway done.

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by lietuvalabas

i think theres a big difference in obama going out after 8 years and having 2 fresh candidates coming in versus, trump only being halfway done.

It's nice to see there is an issue that inspires the Senate to get to work.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by gopherfan

Because it is constantly mutating. What if COVID-19 mutates constantly? Are we going to stay locked down forever? Do I need to find a new career path 5 years before my original planned retirement?

The government shouldn’t be pushing herd immunity if it’s not effective.

And your last sentence is very telling: how this affects you monetarily.

I’m fine with opening everything up. I welcome it. Just don’t be surprised when your table isn’t filled because a chunk of people won’t want to put themselves at risk. You might be looking for a different career regardless.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by wood minis

Pointing out the hypocrisy of McConnell coming out on the day she died to say there would be a vote on Trump's pick even though there are only 6 weeks before the election isn't libs making it about politics and Trump.

It’s okay when Mitch brings it up but not the opposition.

Hypocrisy!

[ld8759]

Originally Posted by preakness

Yet, I bet 99% of people that follow politics immediately thought about the vacant position as soon as they heard that she died

Yet,I was talking about McConnell,who came out with a statement that her seat would be taken by a Trump appointee. This was very shortly after the news of her death had been reported. I wasn't talking anyone else,was I? Funny how when Scalia passed that Obama was not allowed to appoint his replacement. I guess it's different rules for Republicans.

[GOWIFB]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

A wonderful woman passed away and the libs in this thread have to make it about politics and trump. Disgusting.....

It is unfortunate it has to be that way. As I stated earlier I really wish she hadn't passed until sometime after inauguration, as the focus then could be more about her then on her replacement. However sticking our head in the sand and pretending like it isn't going to be an immediate issue would just be ignorant.

You already had multiple Democrat and Republican representatives come out last night stating their opinion on if hearings for a replacement should begin, including Mitch. All the news networks had discussions about it. In fact RBG herself knew it was an issue. You don't think she would have retired in the last year or two with all of her health issues if anyone else besides Trump was president? Even in her final statement she said she hopes that her replacement is not chosen until after there is a new president.

[gopherfan]

Originally Posted by GOWIFB

It is unfortunate it has to be that way. As I stated earlier I really wish she hadn't passed until sometime after inauguration, as the focus then could be more about her then on her replacement. However sticking our head in the sand and pretending like it isn't going to be an immediate issue would just be ignorant.

You already had multiple Democrat and Republican representatives come out last night stating their opinion on if hearings for a replacement should begin, including Mitch. All the news networks had discussions about it. In fact RBG herself knew it was an issue. You don't think she would have retired in the last year or two with all of her health issues if anyone else besides Trump was president? Even in her final statement she said she hopes that her replacement is not chosen until after there is a new president.

Why would they wait 4+ years? That is crazy.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by ld8759

Yet,I was talking about McConnell,who came out with a statement that her seat would be taken by a Trump appointee. This was very shortly after the news of her death had been reported. I wasn't talking anyone else,was I? Funny how when Scalia passed that Obama was not allowed to appoint his replacement. I guess it's different rules for Republicans.

This is 100% not true.

29 times a seat has been open on the court in an election year and 29 times, including Obama, a Supreme Court justice was nominated by the President. Every / single / time.

The difference of course is whether or not the President's party is in power in the Senate. This has nothing to do w/ Trump; this has everything to do w/ the Senate.

[Hootiefish]

The most frustrating thing about all of this, something that came to the forefront 20 years ago and hasn't let up since, is that none of this is the will of the majority of the people in our nation.

In 2018, Democrats running for Senate received 12 million more votes than Republicans, but made minor gains in the Senate. Much to Trump's chagrin, Clinton received over 3 million more votes than he did for the Presidency.

Two-thirds of our government is being run by the will of the minority of our country.

I could only image what the outcry would be by Rush/Hannity/Tucker and the like if the shoe was on the other foot.

Alas, these are the rules of the game we play.

[Pete Schweddy]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

This is 100% not true.

29 times a seat has been open on the court in an election year and 29 times, including Obama, a Supreme Court justice was nominated by the President. Every / single / time.

The difference of course is whether or not the President's party is in power in the Senate. This has nothing to do w/ Trump; this has everything to do w/ the Senate.

Stop the BS. We all now know everything has to do with Trump.
Covid; Trump's fault
Wildfires; Trump's fault
Riots; Trump's fault
Racism; Trump's fault
Earthquake in SoCal this morning; Trump's fault
Ginsburg dying; Trump's fault
My employee that was late yesterday; Trump's fault

[hairysasquatch]

"Elections have consequences."
-Barack Obama, The Great Healer of Political Division

[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

"Elections have consequences."
-Barack Obama, The Great Healer of Political Division

"Sometimes I just grab 'em by the pussy."
-Donald Trump, The Great Lover of Women (whether they want it or not)

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Hootiefish

"Sometimes I just grab 'em by the pussy."
-Donald Trump, The Great Lover of Women (whether they want it or not)

Not sure what that has to do with the Supreme Court but OK.

Honor the great words of Chuck Schumer!

[Zedlaw]

Hypocrisy and moving goalposts should be officially retired terms in this tread. They are terms without argumental weight and now normalized into the spin cycle of political theater.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Zedlaw

Hypocrisy and moving goalposts should be officially retired terms in this tread. They are terms without argumental weight and now normalized into the spin cycle of political theater.

If the majority in the House has the power to do something; they will (Impeachment an example). If the majority in the Senate has the power to do something; they will (Reid removing filibuster, Garland non-vote, etc. etc.).

It's not hypocrisy. It's those with power wielding it the way they want to. Always has been, always will be.

[yanksfan1]

Trump's nominee is getting confirmed, it's really only a matter of when. The only thing up in the air is if Biden wins/Dems win the senate, will they pack the court. That largely depends on what their majority would be. Can't see a 50-50 senate doing it, but maybe a 52-48. Who knows, but the next 3.5 months will be interesting

[TheFrenzy]

The number of people I’m seeing who honestly have no idea why we have a bicameral congress and who think that the Senate’s equal representation is due to “white supremacy” is stunning.

“People” suddenly wanting to expand the Court and abolish the Senate.......

I feel like Russia is teaching US Civics 101 better than we are. At least their trolls understand that if you do away with the equal representation that gives smaller states a say, you do away with their reason for being a part of the nation.

Russia has reactionary democrats clamoring for the quickest path to Balkanizing the United States.

[Astros19]

RIP RBG.
While I typically disagreed with most of her opinions, I respect, admire and thank her for her lifetime of serving our country.
I think the thing i find most interesting about Trump's presidency is the number of times both the left and the right has had swivel their different views concerning so many subjects.
In this long thread there's been quite a few times where I'd read an opinion from one side that I'd swear the other side was arguing the exact same way just a few short years ago.
Justice Ginsberg's passing and the consequences that arise from it are just one more example.
2020 seems to have just amplified things.

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[packman80]

Originally Posted by yanksfan1

Trump's nominee is getting confirmed, it's really only a matter of when. The only thing up in the air is if Biden wins/Dems win the senate, will they pack the court. That largely depends on what their majority would be. Can't see a 50-50 senate doing it, but maybe a 52-48. Who knows, but the next 3.5 months will be interesting

How will they pack the court? Not like they can add more memember to SC. They will not be able to change the constiuation just because they are unahpphy with the number of justicesa.