2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

That's a bomb dropped on Princeton. 3-week turnaround was a nice turn of the knife.

Self described racist institutions should not receive Federal funding. We need to get rid of white supremacy in all it's forms, and I think I have the support of the entire forum on this.

We can do this people.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Get me Senator vs. Senator. House member vs. House member. Shapiro vs. the left Shapiro (sorry, don't really know who to put in there).

Give them a day to prepare and then have them debate three topics for an hour or two. Let's hear what the best of both parties have to offer in terms of ideas, rhetoric and thought.

If Ben Shapiro is the "best of the party," why does the RNC continue to prop up dunces like Charlie Kirk?

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

If Ben Shapiro is the "best of the party," why does the RNC continue to prop up dunces like Charlie Kirk?

Grosse Pointe Blank. He brings $$.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Hmmm ... something seems off.

Yahoo has someone with a foot fetish, no doubt. There was one a week or two ago about Kamala's comfortable shoes sending a positive message to women.

[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Question for a few of you.
Do you believe it's impossible to be patriotic and admit or come to terms that the country you love has it's share of warts, blemishes and mistakes?
I can assure you it's not impossible.

I do not believe it to be impossible at all. I see our country as an extension of our personal selves - constantly striving to be better and make a positive impact on the world.

I dislike the idea of "American exceptionalism." I dislike the idea of believing we are better than anyone else simply based upon the fact we were born where we were. It makes us no better than the Kardashians.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by trixstar

We went from abolish the DOE to we should mandate that children are taught that nothing bad has ever happened in America.

And to your point about the DOE ... I don't want to be at this stupid party but I am, so I may as well enjoy it!

[rman112]

Originally Posted by trixstar

Trump says he will sign an executive order to promote "patriotic education." It will be called the 1776 commission.

I think they'll teach the 7 year olds that after gender studies. And lunch.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Grosse Pointe Blank. He brings $$.

It seems shortsighted from my vantage point. If Republicanism is increasingly being depicted as anti-intellectual, Shapiro is a counterpoint to that narrative whereas Kirk fits right in line with all the wrong stereotypes of neoconservativism. My opinion only.

Ideologically I'm clearly more leftist (despite the bastardization of the word), but would much rather see people like Ben Shapiro as focal points of the republican party moving forward.

[mwash1983]

Hey Trump started the modern day Hitler Youth, comical joke. What is it, teach children to kiss the ring like they do in North Korea.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by mwash1983

Hey Trump started the modern day Hitler Youth, comical joke. What is it, teach children to kiss the ring like they do in North Korea.

Another brilliant contribution 👏

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by trixstar

Trump says he will sign an executive order to promote "patriotic education." It will be called the 1776 commission.

I hate to break it to you, but all US history is designed to shape who you are in relation to the state.

Whether that's 1950's Cold War consensus-era textbooks.
---The story of the US as a nation has been expanding freedom and democracy outwards to other people and citizens should do their part to support the enterprise.

Whether that's 1990's Post-Cold War/Neo-Liberalism Triumphant "melting pot" textbooks.
---The story of the US as a nation has been expanding freedom and democracy inwards to its own people and citizens should do their part to support the enterprise.

Whether that's 2010's Globalization V. Identity Politics think pieces and tweets.
---The US as a nation has engaged in nothing but genocide, colonialism, and slavery and citizens should do their part to oppose the enterprise.

We always take for granted that our identity as a citizen is 100% constructed.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

I hate to break it to you, but all US history is designed to shape who you are in relation to the state.

Whether that's 1950's Cold War consensus-era textbooks.
---The story of the US as a nation has been expanding freedom and democracy outwards to other people and citizens should do their part to support the enterprise.

Whether that's 1990's Post-Cold War/Neo-Liberalism Triumphant "melting pot" textbooks.
---The story of the US as a nation has been expanding freedom and democracy inwards to its own people and citizens should do their part to support the enterprise.

Whether that's 2010's Globalization V. Identity Politics think pieces and tweets.
---The US as a nation has engaged in nothing but genocide, colonialism, and slavery and citizens should do their part to oppose the enterprise.

We always take for granted that our identity as a citizen is 100% constructed.

All identities of which are now viewed as simultaneously both patriotic & unpatriotic depending on who you're talking to.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by rman112

Yahoo has someone with a foot fetish, no doubt. There was one a week or two ago about Kamala's comfortable shoes sending a positive message to women.

It’s been fascinating to watch Yahoo evolve from a generic search engine... the one I used as a kid... into a basic level news site with fantasy sports and a search function... into a C-level op ed site that panders to liberal ideas and liberal thinking. Everything ever written on that site would get eviscerated in the comments. Now they have no comments as a way to silence people who don’t tolerate the garbage they put out.

[trixstar]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Question for a few of you.
Do you believe it's impossible to be patriotic and admit or come to terms that the country you love has it's share of warts, blemishes and mistakes?
I can assure you it's not impossible.

Impossible? No. I still think America is the greatest country on earth but I also think the majority of America would rather forget its past than atone for it or own up to it.

I also think it’s silly to try and hold people responsible today for things their ancestors may have done hundreds of years ago. I do know trying to make people feel guilt over something they personally had no control control over isn’t going to help.

I also know there are people alive right now that couldn’t even eat in the same restaurant as me in their lifetime so to pretend like this country is perfect or that someone’s not a patriot for questioning that history is just as unhelpful.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by trixstar

Impossible? No. I still think America is the greatest country on earth but I also think the majority of America would rather forget its past than atone for it or own up to it.

I also think it’s silly to try and hold people responsible today for things their ancestors may have done hundreds of years ago. I do know trying to make people feel guilt over something they personally had no control control over isn’t going to help.

I also know there are people alive right now that couldn’t even eat in the same restaurant as me in their lifetime so to pretend like this country is perfect or that someone’s not a patriot for questioning that history is just as unhelpful.

You seem to contradict yourself here, Trixie. Is it OK to forget the past, or are there aspects of it for which atonement of some kind would be appropriate?

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

It’s been fascinating to watch Yahoo evolve from a generic search engine... the one I used as a kid... into a basic level news site with fantasy sports and a search function... into a C-level op ed site that panders to liberal ideas and liberal thinking. Everything ever written on that site would get eviscerated in the comments. Now they have no comments as a way to silence people who don’t tolerate the garbage they put out.

I have honestly never heard a liberal reference Yahoo as a news source and considered the company defunct until hearing otherwise from conservatives in this thread.
I'm not really going anywhere with this beyond that I find it interesting.

For reference, I consider MSNBC & NYT the two most stereotypical "liberal" news sources.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

It’s been fascinating to watch Yahoo evolve from a generic search engine... the one I used as a kid... into a basic level news site with fantasy sports and a search function... into a C-level op ed site that panders to liberal ideas and liberal thinking. Everything ever written on that site would get eviscerated in the comments. Now they have no comments as a way to silence people who don’t tolerate the garbage they put out.

I’m right there with you. #moreinfluencethenrussia

[gopherfan]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Here I go again:

Trump says trees explode, Dems get all mad

Biden says Edison didn't invent the light bulb, Dems could care less "it doesn't matter"

Why is one a big deal and the other ok? When in reality in the grand scheme of it neither statement really truly matters other than the fact that it makes both look a little silly.

But trees do explode.

[Dielon]

Originally Posted by trixstar

Trump says he will sign an executive order to promote "patriotic education." It will be called the 1776 commission.

Ah yes, we should instead teach revisionist history like the 1619 project. Already being taught in our schools.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

I have honestly never heard a liberal reference Yahoo as a news source and considered the company defunct until hearing otherwise from conservatives in this thread.
I'm not really going anywhere with this beyond that I find it interesting.

For reference, I consider MSNBC & NYT the two most stereotypical "liberal" news sources.

Yahoo is terrible. It’s like People.com meets liberal news, done in the worst way possible. But it wasn’t always. CNN, MSNBC.. just about any mainstream liberal news source is 100x better. Conservative news is garbage too, but you have to actually dig to find a conservative news site on par with Yahoo. Yahoo was once the king of search engines.

I really can’t stand any of it, anyway. This thread is my news source, as awful as that is. And from there I just use evidence and data to try to get to the truth, whatever that may be.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Dielon

Ah yes, we should instead teach revisionist history like the 1619 project. Already being taught in our schools.

When did the U.S not teach revisionist history in school?

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

Yahoo is terrible. It’s like People.com meets liberal news, done in the worst way possible. But it wasn’t always. CNN, MSNBC.. just about any mainstream liberal news source is 100x better. Conservative news is garbage too, but you have to actually dig to find a conservative news site on par with Yahoo. Yahoo was once the king of search engines.

I really can’t stand any of it, anyway. This thread is my news source, as awful as that is. And from there I just use evidence and data to try to get to the truth, whatever that may be.

I definitely believe you in Yahoo being a trash news site. I guess I'm just curious why it gets referenced in this thread by people who think it's trash.

I see what you mean in the oddity of Yahoo having at a time been a more prominent company turned news tabloid, but isn't it an irrelevant company in 2020 for the most part?
I could be wrong though.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

When did the U.S not teach revisionist history in school?



I definitely believe you in Yahoo being a trash news site. I guess I'm just curious why it gets referenced in this thread by people who think it's trash.

I see what you mean in the oddity of Yahoo having at a time been a more prominent company turned news tabloid, but isn't it an irrelevant company in 2020 for the most part?
I could be wrong though.

Just a few hundred million uses a day.

[gopherfan]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

I don’t even remember the context of this

Gun control and why people think they need guns to feel safe.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by gopherfan

But trees do explode.

Link?

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

I definitely believe you in Yahoo being a trash news site. I guess I'm just curious why it gets referenced in this thread by people who think it's trash.

I see what you mean in the oddity of Yahoo having at a time been a more prominent company turned news tabloid, but isn't it an irrelevant company in 2020 for the most part?
I could be wrong though.

Youre not wrong... for me it’s just an old habits die hard thing... for some reason I still default to yahoo as a homepage when I use a computer because I’ve just always done it that way.

It’s definitely not irrelevant, though.

Numero uno: http://www.ebizmba.com/articles/news-websites