Shane Bieber - Page 17

BBases31 · 09-04-2020, 07:03 PM

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Considering there's four of them currently, I would say no.

Modern base. A 2008 Kershaw or Scherzer is a horrendous comparison because not as many are around as 2018 Update. DeGrom in 2014, same story. I assume Verlander is the 4th?

Regardless anything is possible in this market. Any prediction is of "no way it can get that high" is probably bunk

rman112 · 09-06-2020, 01:41 PM

Even when he's not on his game, he manages to get out of trouble. Nice outing.

BigSlim16 · 09-06-2020, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

Even when he's not on his game, he manages to get out of trouble. Nice outing.

He's putting together a reeaalllly good case to be MVP

Cubs_rock21 · 09-06-2020, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BigSlim16

He's putting together a reeaalllly good case to be MVP

I mean in a 60 game season if Shane with 20% of the games, he damn well should be lol.

Lots of pitchers have had stellar seasons before the all star break and it was corrected the second half. Bieber can ride this all season

rman112 · 09-06-2020, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cubs_rock21

I mean in a 60 game season if Shane with 20% of the games, he damn well should be lol.

Lots of pitchers have had stellar seasons before the all star break and it was corrected the second half. Bieber can ride this all season

Agreed. He's got 7 out of 25 wins for a first place team. And a 1.25 ERA. Even with only going 5 today, he's right up there with the innings leaders.

tursillo2011 · 09-06-2020, 07:45 PM

Any opinions on his chance at an MVP? Would a sub 1 era make it a virtual guarantee? That would be pretty tough given 2 of his next 3 opponents are lined up to be the Twins and White Sox but there is a chance with how good he has been. I don’t think he is running away with it but I do think he has a slight lead over the others in contention. I know they don’t like giving the award to pitchers but I think the lack of any hitters really standing out over the others will help his case.

MiamiMarlinsFan · 09-06-2020, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tursillo2011

Any opinions on his chance at an MVP? Would a sub 1 era make it a virtual guarantee? That would be pretty tough given 2 of his next 3 opponents are lined up to be the Twins and White Sox but there is a chance with how good he has been. I don’t think he is running away with it but I do think he has a slight lead over the others in contention. I know they don’t like giving the award to pitchers but I think the lack of any hitters really standing out over the others will help his case.

It’s possible. The best player in the AL has probably been Trout. He has the whole “having a kid for the first time” storyline going for him, but he also has a bunch of MVPs already, so that works in Bieber’s favor. It’s an uphill battle either way since the writers feel like pitchers have the Cy Young and that that’s enough. I’ll be rooting for him.

rman112 · 09-06-2020, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

It’s possible. The best player in the AL has probably been Trout. He has the whole “having a kid for the first time” storyline going for him, but he also has a bunch of MVPs already, so that works in Bieber’s favor. It’s an uphill battle either way since the writer’s feel like pitchers have the Cy Young and that that’s enough. I’ll be rooting for him.

The 'story line' part of awards is so dumb to me. Similar to HOF voters not picking a guy because he's an a-hole or didn't like the media.

MiamiMarlinsFan · 09-06-2020, 08:28 PM

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The 'story line' part of awards is so dumb to me. Similar to HOF voters not picking a guy because he's an a-hole or didn't like the media.

I hear ya, but writers do love their narrative.

BBases31 · 09-06-2020, 08:50 PM

The most important thing working in Bieber’s favor is that Trout and Rendon both play on a non-playoff team, as silly as that is

rman112 · 09-06-2020, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BBases31

The most important thing working in Bieber’s favor is that Trout and Rendon both play on a non-playoff team, as silly as that is

Does that even matter? Look at last year.

Middies31985 · 09-06-2020, 08:55 PM

I know Bieber has another 4 starts probably but if he goes undefeated then how do you not give him the MVP.

Short season too which makes me think this would the year writers may pick a pitcher because what makes a hitter impressive in 162 is that they are putting up those numbers over 140-150 games. Shortened season I think helps a Bieber case for MVP

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BBases31 · 09-06-2020, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

Does that even matter? Look at last year.

It matters when it’s close. If Trout is ahead by a full WAR by the end of the season it wouldn’t make a difference

On another note a base BC auto just did 165 lol

rman112 · 09-06-2020, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BBases31

It matters when it’s close. If Trout is ahead by a full WAR by the end of the season it wouldn’t make a difference

On another note a base BC auto just did 165 lol

I truly have no idea what in the hell is going to matter to this year's MVP voters.

BBases31 · 09-06-2020, 11:11 PM

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I truly have no idea what in the hell is going to matter to this year's MVP voters.

I think it’s the same traditional things but they’ll give deference to someone who is more established as the better player. If Trout has 3 WAR and Tim Anderson has 3.2 WAR, I think Trout gets almost all the votes in a season where a worse player can luck his way into higher WAR. Bieber was so good last year that he has the benefit of the doubt as an already elite talent

rman112 · 09-06-2020, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BBases31

I think it’s the same traditional things but they’ll give deference to someone who is more established as the better player. If Trout has 3 WAR and Tim Anderson has 3.2 WAR, I think Trout gets almost all the votes in a season where a worse player can luck his way into higher WAR. Bieber was so good last year that he has the benefit of the doubt as an already elite talent

We talking fWAR as the standard?

BBases31 · 09-06-2020, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

We talking fWAR as the standard?

I only use Fangraphs so yes but I know bWAR is a thing for voters though

rman112 · 09-07-2020, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BBases31

I only use Fangraphs so yes but I know bWAR is a thing for voters though

I say that because Trout's bWAR was 4th best in the AL, nearly a full point behind Bregman, yet he won.

bulljh · 09-07-2020, 09:20 AM

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I say that because Trout's bWAR was 4th best in the AL, nearly a full point behind Bregman, yet he won.

Because WAR is stupid and just a stat. It’s not the end all be all stat.

JPWisco · 09-07-2020, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BBases31

The most important thing working in Bieber’s favor is that Trout and Rendon both play on a non-playoff team, as silly as that is

A pitcher is not getting MVP in rona season. The voters are sticklers about innings pitched as it is.

66_Fiat · 09-11-2020, 02:37 AM

Currently holding the pitching Triple Crown, uncontested in all three categories.

BBases31 · 09-14-2020, 02:27 PM

Just over 3% of the Update Refractor print run plus an XFractor

BBases31 · 09-15-2020, 02:43 PM

One sportsbook has him at 96% to win the Cy and 33% to win the MVP at betting odds. For the true odds you probably reduce that down to 90% and 25%. They have Cruz as the AL favorite which is nuts.

Rabs · 09-15-2020, 08:34 PM

Still haven't seen a TCU Orange listed (auto or non auto).

Wonder what those would fetch.

brewtown107 · 09-15-2020, 09:45 PM

They didn't make any orange non-autos. So there are only the 25 autos. I'm sitting on one, so we're waiting for one of the other 24 to move.

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tursillo2011 Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: San Diego, Ca Posts: 1,825 tursillo2012	Any opinions on his chance at an MVP? Would a sub 1 era make it a virtual guarantee? That would be pretty tough given 2 of his next 3 opponents are lined up to be the Twins and White Sox but there is a chance with how good he has been. I don’t think he is running away with it but I do think he has a slight lead over the others in contention. I know they don’t like giving the award to pitchers but I think the lack of any hitters really standing out over the others will help his case. __________________ http://s1265.photobucket.com/albums/jj502/tursillo2011/

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66_Fiat Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Marysville, OH Posts: 3,168	Currently holding the pitching Triple Crown, uncontested in all three categories. __________________ There is a difference between best hitter and best player. Paying nicely for 2013 and 2015 TTT Pujols "The Machine" patches!

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Rabs Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 16,129 Rabs	Still haven't seen a TCU Orange listed (auto or non auto). Wonder what those would fetch. __________________ Sean Taylor/Craig Kimbrel/Brian Orakpo Collector! https://sportscardalbum.com/u/rabs

09-06-2020, 01:41 PM	#402
rman112 Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Freedom is Free Again Posts: 40,946	Even when he's not on his game, he manages to get out of trouble. Nice outing.

09-06-2020, 08:50 PM	#410
BBases31 Banned Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 7,603	The most important thing working in Bieber’s favor is that Trout and Rendon both play on a non-playoff team, as silly as that is

09-06-2020, 08:55 PM	#412
Middies31985 Member Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 965 mercer6huz Mercer85	I know Bieber has another 4 starts probably but if he goes undefeated then how do you not give him the MVP. Short season too which makes me think this would the year writers may pick a pitcher because what makes a hitter impressive in 162 is that they are putting up those numbers over 140-150 games. Shortened season I think helps a Bieber case for MVP Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

09-14-2020, 02:27 PM	#422
BBases31 Banned Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 7,603	Just over 3% of the Update Refractor print run plus an XFractor

09-15-2020, 02:43 PM	#423
BBases31 Banned Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 7,603	One sportsbook has him at 96% to win the Cy and 33% to win the MVP at betting odds. For the true odds you probably reduce that down to 90% and 25%. They have Cruz as the AL favorite which is nuts.

09-15-2020, 09:45 PM	#425
brewtown107 Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 2,240 brewtown107	They didn't make any orange non-autos. So there are only the 25 autos. I'm sitting on one, so we're waiting for one of the other 24 to move.