Rob Manfred in hot water

[Wiseguy917]

Originally Posted by Prox3

This is a lot better than violence, looting, harassment and arson.

Don’t forget murder. 30 dead in the last 3ish months due to peaceful protests.

[13goyankees13]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

If anything, this probably the one thing both sides actually agree on. The overall response from everyone within the game from players, management, and media towards these protests have been positive. I’m sure some are biting their tongue, but 99% of all public comments I’ve seen the last two days support the players’ decision.

Either Wilpon or Manfred, or possibly both, sees it differently. If it's Manfred and he is still in charge when the CBA is up, that's a big deal.

I'm guessing a lot of people in baseball who support or are okay with the players not playing would have preferred the players to come to the MLB and try to work out a plan to postpone games together rather than telling the MLB they wouldn't play. About 200-250 black people are shot and killed by police each year, plus more who are shot and not killed or killed by something other than a gun so if making statements by refusing to play without working with the MLB is the new normal, this is probably going to happen at least a few times per season going forward. Bringing it up now publicly isn't the right time or place but I'm sure there are quite a few people high up in teams or the MLB who like the statement but aren't happy with the way it was made.

[bubba300]

Originally Posted by Wiseguy917

“Oh you don’t hear us, well now you can’t see us”

I’ll care about what JR smith says when HE can SEE the scoreboard.




He’s a clown!


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You’re prob right about the scoreboard standpoint but in regard to real life idgaf if he can see the scoreboard or not...social injustice and police brutality is a hot topic for obv reasons and I’m glad JR Smith and other players are using their platform to try to create change. My son is 14 years old and I have had to talk to him about what he needs to do if he is confronted by police in any situation. I/we have dealt with racism for 38 years since I was about 8 years old...I’m hopeful things will change and I hope that players and teams continue to use their platform to try to make difference. If that means that leagues or games get cancelled and all cards end up worthless until there is real change then I’m all for it. Walking a day in my shoes has not been very fun at times...

[Wiseguy917]

Originally Posted by bubba300

You’re prob right about the scoreboard standpoint but in regard to real life idgaf if he can see the scoreboard or not...social injustice and police brutality is a hot topic for obv reasons and I’m glad JR Smith and other players are using their platform to try to create change. My son is 14 years old and I have had to talk to him about what he needs to do if he is confronted by police in any situation. I/we have dealt with racism for 38 years since I was about 8 years old...I’m hopeful things will change and I hope that players and teams continue to use their platform to try to make difference. Walking a day in my shoes has not been very fun at times...

Racism is a problem all over the world, I completely agree, but I feel like if a lot of people held themselves to the same standard they hold cops to, we wouldn’t even need police.....

[bubba300]

Originally Posted by Wiseguy917

Racism is a problem all over the world, I completely agree, but I feel like if a lot of people held themselves to the same standard they hold cops to, we wouldn’t even need police.....

Agreed 100 percent. You’re absolutely right!

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by 13goyankees13

Either Wilpon or Manfred, or possibly both, sees it differently. If it's Manfred and he is still in charge when the CBA is up, that's a big deal.

I'm guessing a lot of people in baseball who support or are okay with the players not playing would have preferred the players to come to the MLB and try to work out a plan to postpone games together rather than telling the MLB they wouldn't play. About 200-250 black people are shot and killed by police each year, plus more who are shot and not killed or killed by something other than a gun so if making statements by refusing to play without working with the MLB is the new normal, this is probably going to happen at least a few times per season going forward. Bringing it up now publicly isn't the right time or place but I'm sure there are quite a few people high up in teams or the MLB who like the statement but aren't happy with the way it was made.

It's pretty clear at this point it was Wilpon's idea to walk off and then come back later. At the least it's incrediblity tone deaf as is clear in Van Wagenen's comments when he assumed the idea came from Manfred. I agree and I'm sure some along the food chain are unhappy with the way the protests have played out. I wouldn't expect universal agreement on anything. The vast majority of sentiment within and around the game, however, is behind the players - which is good going forward as the first step any protest wants is acknowledgement of grievance. Baseball can't change social problems (the ultimate end behind most protests) but they can support players and acknowledge the grievance which it is doing.

[Ebucs1604]

Manfred might be a terrible commissioner, but even hes smart enough not step in that bad. But is anyone honestly this surprised it has Wilpon all over it? They dont care who they piss off since they have one foot out the door with no real power left.

[xbignick]

Thrown under bus.

[mainerunr]

Originally Posted by Technochocolate

Not all 30 teams were on the schedule today, so I *think* they should try and wait for tomorrow to do that. It's more powerful with all 30 teams than just 22 of the teams.

Also, several doubleheaders on the schedule today. It looks like all the teams with doubleheaders are playing while the single games are being cancelled. Practicality might be a factor here.

I think the teams playing doubleheaders today took yesterday off because of this issue...

[gmarutiak]

Originally Posted by mainerunr

I think the teams playing doubleheaders today took yesterday off because of this issue...

Pirates played one game yesterday and a doubleheader today.

[SaveMeTheGum]

Hasn't everyone learned that all cameras/microphones are rolling at all times...

[djdevon]

Please leave politics out of sports. I've said my piece

[awz50]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

Hasn't everyone learned that all cameras/microphones are rolling at all times...

It's amazing people haven't realized this in 100+ years

[PLAYED4NOTHING]

Man..The media is tearing apart our sports as we know it also. Believe everything you want to people, even if it’s wrong.

[Stringmusic]

Can somebody help me understand what the problem is here? The players didn’t want to play, and someone made the suggestion they should play an hour later instead of their regular start time? And now the person who made that suggestion is a racist? Is that what happened?

[kdog4187]

Originally Posted by Stringmusic

Can somebody help me understand what the problem is here? The players didn’t want to play, and someone made the suggestion they should play an hour later instead of their regular start time? And now the person who made that suggestion is a racist? Is that what happened?

People are injecting there own political views in the whole racism aspect of this. The facts of what is being reported is the Mets GM was informed of an idea that instead of canceling the game against the Marlins the teams leave the field wait an hour and come back out. He mistakenly thought the idea came from Manfred so was caught on camera saying "He doesn't get it" He later found out the idea came from Wilpon and issued a retraction and an apology to Manfred. That is what happened the rest is speculation, conspiracy theories, political agendas, etc.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by kdog4187

People are injecting there own political views in the whole racism aspect of this. The facts of what is being reported is the Mets GM was informed of an idea that instead of canceling the game against the Marlins the teams leave the field wait an hour and come back out. He mistakenly thought the idea came from Manfred so was caught on camera saying "He doesn't get it" He later found out the idea came from Wilpon and issued a retraction and an apology to Manfred. That is what happened the rest is speculation, conspiracy theories, political agendas, etc.

No.

In addition, the Wilpons made a statement that Brody (intentionally spelling his name wrong, LOL) is a big fat liar.

[Stringmusic]

Originally Posted by kdog4187

People are injecting there own political views in the whole racism aspect of this. The facts of what is being reported is the Mets GM was informed of an idea that instead of canceling the game against the Marlins the teams leave the field wait an hour and come back out. He mistakenly thought the idea came from Manfred so was caught on camera saying "He doesn't get it" He later found out the idea came from Wilpon and issued a retraction and an apology to Manfred. That is what happened the rest is speculation, conspiracy theories, political agendas, etc.

Is the idea bad or something? It seems people were very upset with Manfred when they thought the idea came from him, I’m trying to understand what would upset people even if the idea did come from him.

[Eckstein197]

Originally Posted by Stringmusic

Is the idea bad or something? It seems people were very upset with Manfred when they thought the idea came from him, I’m trying to understand what would upset people even if the idea did come from him.

The players wanted to cancel the game. Manfred (or whoever you think it was) told them to play but delay for a hour. Going against the players wishes and trying to force them into something they don’t want to do is wrong to do. When you’re trying to make a point about societal issues, you shouldn’t go against the wishes of the people actually making said stand.

[Eckstein197]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

No.

In addition, the Wilpons made a statement that Brody (intentionally spelling his name wrong, LOL) is a big fat liar.

Such a Mets thing to do by misspelling the name of their own GM

[Stringmusic]

Originally Posted by Eckstein197

The players wanted to cancel the game. Manfred (or whoever you think it was) told them to play but delay for a hour. Going against the players wishes and trying to force them into something they don’t want to do is wrong to do. When you’re trying to make a point about societal issues, you shouldn’t go against the wishes of the people actually making said stand.

So if the players don’t want to play, for any reason, it’s wrong to go against their wishes? That doesn’t seem like a good way to run a business.

[Wiseguy917]

Originally Posted by Stringmusic

Can somebody help me understand what the problem is here? The players didn’t want to play, and someone made the suggestion they should play an hour later instead of their regular start time? And now the person who made that suggestion is a racist? Is that what happened?

The problem is you’re racist if you go against the mob mentality and you’re double dog racist if you speak your mind against the mob mentality. On top of that, you’re triple super mega racist if you have money AND an opinion that goes against mob mentality. You’re super mega ultra barnyard king size bed Fallopian tube racist if you’re all of the above AND have a specific percentage of Melanin in your body. Also, if you disagree with me, you’re racist.

[doowopbruce]

I'd respect the players a lot more if they played and donated their pay to charity.

[Stringmusic]

Originally Posted by Wiseguy917

The problem is you’re racist if you go against the mob mentality and you’re double dog racist if you speak your mind against the mob mentality. On top of that, you’re triple super mega racist if you have money AND an opinion that goes against mob mentality. You’re super mega ultra barnyard king size bed Fallopian tube racist if you’re all of the above AND have a specific percentage of Melanin in your body. Also, if you disagree with me, you’re racist.

You’re 100% accurate.
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[Chicharito]

inb4 this thread gets the lock