Cracking PSA 9 and Resubmitting to PSA

[nocontest]

Apologies if there is a thread already discussing this as I could not find it. Received a big submission back the other day with a fair share of 9s. To me, I can't really figure out the difference between the ones that got 9s vs 10s. And have heard plenty of people say over the years "PSA 9 but looks like a PSA 10!" or "Identical to PSA 10". As grading is subjective and there exists the possibility of pop control I was wondering if anyone has ever taken all there PSA 9s, uncracked, and resubmitted. Be curious to know if some came back 10s and would the % would be. Thanks

[ovrcollect]

People definitely do it, but I don't think there's any way of narrowing it down to a % of success. Everyone's batch of cards would be different.

If you really believe they're grading 10's as 9's, how many times are you willing to give them your money until you give up? I wish I could find a business model where unhappy customers keep giving me more money...

[bustsomewax]

My guess is if you cracked the 9s you'd have about a 30%-40% chance of them coming back as 10s.

[jlawje]

Originally Posted by bustsomewax

My guess is if you cracked the 9s you'd have about a 30%-40% chance of them coming back as 10s.

What do you base that on?

[James618]

Before you resubmit your PSA 9, maybe you can show your card to someone who has a lot of experience submitting graded cards. That person might be able to pin point where the issue is?

[Bruins1993]

Originally Posted by nocontest

To me, I can't really figure out the difference between the ones that got 9s vs 10s.

A: PSA can figure out how to make the most money

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wirna8ihUuA

[Bulldurham]

Originally Posted by Bruins1993

A: PSA can figure out how to make the most money

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wirna8ihUuA

Interesting video but I see some flaws in his data/hypothesis. His 9/10 ratio does make some sense when comparing grades of key cards in specific sets to grades of commons/other cards in the same set. The flaw I see is many of us submit these key cards not worried about grade, just wanting it slabbed. Commons submitted for these sets are done for the set registry guys who are submitting nothing but the most pristine copies they can find. I’m sure thousands of 93 sp Jeters have been subbed with owners knowing/expecting 7’s/8’s or whatever. I recently subbed 5 2011 Bowman paper Trouts. I knew they weren’t going to gem but didn’t care, I just wanted them slabbed, value was still there. This isn’t happening unless it’s an “expensive”/iconic card. That changes the way I view his data, I’m not sure it’s a completely fair comparison.

[Keto]

I’ve had pretty good success rate cracking and resubmitting. Just make sure the corners are good and not send the same exact card at the same time. Better to send Card A and Card B instead of Card A1 and A2. The less cards you submit the better as well.


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[nocontest]

Originally Posted by Keto

I’ve had pretty good success rate cracking and resubmitting. Just make sure the corners are good and not send the same exact card at the same time. Better to send Card A and Card B instead of Card A1 and A2. The less cards you submit the better as well.


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Interesting, so submitting less cards will likely lead to better grades? I never heard of that.

Also, interesting video posted in the comment before by Bruins1993. Although, I agree with Bulldurham in the sense that the vid creator does not account for people sending in popular cards just to get them slabbed regardless of condition. Would be interesting to see the data if that was accounted for, but would no idea how that could even be figured out

[threefromthetee]

In my experience, it greatly depends on the player/popularity of the card. Some, no matter how good they look, ever seem to get the bump unless you're willing to submit 5+ times. I believe pop control is alive and well at PSA.

[nocontest]

Originally Posted by threefromthetee

In my experience, it greatly depends on the player/popularity of the card. Some, no matter how good they look, ever seem to get the bump unless you're willing to submit 5+ times. I believe pop control is alive and well at PSA.

Yea, I am a believer of pop control as well. But my thought is if I send 20x of one card and 10x come back as a 10, think I might get 3-5x 10s if I crack and resubmit those 10 remaining 9s? This is ofc assuming card looks like a gem/10.

[exospheer]

I have resubbed 3 PSA 9 for review. 2 have come back as PSA 10. There are more that I could of resubbed and gotten 10 but didn't want to spend more money or the effort. Review your card and determine. I have graded around 1000 cards at this point and know the grade of most of my cards ahead of time. Still get surprised here and there.

[wharfrat7624]

Originally Posted by exospheer

I have resubbed 3 PSA 9 for review. 2 have come back as PSA 10. There are more that I could of resubbed and gotten 10 but didn't want to spend more money or the effort. Review your card and determine. I have graded around 1000 cards at this point and know the grade of most of my cards ahead of time. Still get surprised here and there.

Did you crack the slab before resubbing?


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[dictoresno]

most (75+%) of the 9's ive got back that I cracked, came back 10's on the second try. with the exception of one card which downgraded to an 8. upon close inspection, the 9 was a gift.

[nocontest]

Originally Posted by dictoresno

most (75+%) of the 9's ive got back that I cracked, came back 10's on the second try. with the exception of one card which downgraded to an 8. upon close inspection, the 9 was a gift.

Wow that's a pretty high rate. How many would you say you've cracked and sent back?

[Baseballcardbab]

I crack and resub when I don’t agree if it’s worth the money. I cracked 7 cards out on my order that popped yesterday. 3 of the 7 bumped , none went down, 1 psa 8 went to psa 10. I knew the card was flawless .

[BlownOut]

Originally Posted by Baseballcardbab

I crack and resub when I don’t agree if it’s worth the money. I cracked 7 cards out on my order that popped yesterday. 3 of the 7 bumped , none went down, 1 psa 8 went to psa 10. I knew the card was flawless .

So, I was looking at your Ebay listed items and many of them seem to be low end PSA 10 cards. My question is, were the cards you cracked low end cards with low pop that most people wouldn't submit for grading or were they higher end cards? There's a big difference, wouldn't you say?

[kidfan9]

I just got back my '18 Soto Update gold...got a 9! I'm disappointed because when I sent it in i took a good look at it and I couldn't see an issue with it. Looking back maybe I should have wiped it a bit but I'll never know, I'd be afraid I would try to crack it and I'd end up F'ing it up. I'm into the card now about $440 so I'm still ahead.

[miscus555]

i'm stuck with high end SGC slabbed cards that i don't know if i should crack and sub to PSA or leave alone.

they are mostly SGC 98's and a couple 96's

[Keto]

I cracked 2 PSA 9’s and got 1 10 and the other stayed at a 9 like a month ago. The 10 made the value of my card go from 1000 to 6000+. Unfortunately cracked another 2 9’s recently and both got downgraded to PSA 8’s. Just shows you grading isn’t taken seriously and depends if the grader is having a good or bad day.


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[miscus555]

would you guys crack these cards and submit to PSA raw??
or do I try the crossover? I think 3 of them have stuck themselves to the front of the slab in an area or two so one it's popped, it would need a wipe otherwise PSA would grade against it if they popped the card out

Lastly, do i have SGC first re-slab my cards to upgrade SGC slabs because the grades won't be changed at all. I just don't want the cards shipped all over the place.

Rookie topps chrome Lebron SGC 98
Rookie Bowman chrome LBJ SGC 98
Rookie Topps LBJ SGC 98
Rookie UD MVP LBJ SGC 98
misc lesser valued rookie LBJ all SGC 98s
Rookie Bowman Chrome Gold RF LBJ SGC 96
Rookie Topps Pristine LBJ SGC 98
Rookie finest RF LBJ SGC 96

[dictoresno]

Originally Posted by miscus555

would you guys crack these cards and submit to PSA raw??
or do I try the crossover? I think 3 of them have stuck themselves to the front of the slab in an area or two so one it's popped, it would need a wipe otherwise PSA would grade against it if they popped the card out

Lastly, do i have SGC first re-slab my cards to upgrade SGC slabs because the grades won't be changed at all. I just don't want the cards shipped all over the place.

Rookie topps chrome Lebron SGC 98
Rookie Bowman chrome LBJ SGC 98
Rookie Topps LBJ SGC 98
Rookie UD MVP LBJ SGC 98
misc lesser valued rookie LBJ all SGC 98s
Rookie Bowman Chrome Gold RF LBJ SGC 96
Rookie Topps Pristine LBJ SGC 98
Rookie finest RF LBJ SGC 96

those are a little too high end to risk cracking, I would try crossover with min grades set on some first. however, their values in PSA holders would be greater vs SGC. at least measure them first to make sure they are sized right. PSA been cracking down on minsize cards....especially 2003 Topps Chrome.

[miscus555]

thanks

like the sizing matters. I sent 3 nice value cards that measure up to the same exact size as a common or any other card that they graded from the same batch and they still wouldn't grade them due to "size"

[metsandweezer]

PSA graded two of my Update Acuna’s back in November and both came back 9’s. I cracked them both out and resubmitted them. I just got them back and one got a 10 and the other got a 9. They look the exact same.

[nocontest]

Wow...so it seems like almost everyone who has resubmitted some 9s received back some portion of 10s. Would love to hear someone's experience who submitted 10+ cards.