2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Jopeal]

[Yanks23]

[QUOTE=DegaBama;16322363]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Ton of assumptions. Facts. That's all people want. Saying the deaths are on him, is wrong. People have this fantasy that he could have stopped this... he couldn't.

Here, we have the left, who claims they want to unite America. The only way they will do that is by uniform laws. They haven't explain how they will unite America.

I want to hear what they plan to do, not who they hate.

There plan is to give into the blackmail that BLM and rest of using. Do you really think Biden will send in troops to stop anything? They are not going to just stop because Joe gets elected. They will just write a check to buy more votes and do nothing to help anyone. What have they done for the last 40 years to help minorities out? If they have dont such a great job then how can people claim "systemic racism"?

[jdandns]

[QUOTE=DegaBama;16322363]

Originally Posted by ;16322344

Ton of assumptions. Facts. That's all people want. Saying the deaths are on him, is wrong. People have this fantasy that he could have stopped this... he couldn't.

Here, we have the left, who claims they want to unite America. The only way they will do that is by uniform laws. They haven't explain how they will unite America.

I want to hear what they plan to do, not who they hate.

Platform will be laid out over the remaining nights, as planned.

Putin isn't done writing Trump's yet for next week.

Originally Posted by Yanks23

All this proves is the Federal govt is total joke at spending $$. How does it cost that much for a golf trip? Do you have the difference in prices per golf trip for Clinton, Bush, Obama since you are so concerned? Make sure to adjust for inflation.

No need. Trump has doubled Obama's golf trips at this point in their Presidencies, and Obama didn't take his rounds at his own overpriced golf clubs so as to gorge himself on our tax dollars like a pig at a trough.

[QUOTE=Chris Lyle;16322350]

Originally Posted by ;16322344

If this is a sign of things to come the next three nights i wont be changing my mind of who im supporting. My point of bringing up the Trump bashing is there was really nothing that tells me Biden is great.

A regular bologna sandwich is a whole lot better than the rotten headcheese one stinking up the White House now.

[TheFrenzy]

Politics in 2020:

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Politics in 2020:

I'm just over here like:

[corndog]

https://democrats.org/where-we-stand...all-americans/

Straight from the Democrat Party Platform:

We will continue to oppose—and seek to overturn—federal and state laws and policies that impede a woman’s access to abortion...

A political ideology that supports the "safe" killing of children in the womb will never unite this country.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Michelle Obama:
"So let me be as honest and clear as I possibly can. Donald Trump is the wrong president for our country. He has had more than enough time to prove that he can do the job, but he is clearly in over his head. He cannot meet this moment. He simply cannot be who we need him to be for us. It is what it is."

Great speech.
Melania will likely be using most of it during the Republican infomercial next week.

Will she even be there?

Originally Posted by corndog

https://democrats.org/where-we-stand...all-americans/

Straight from the Democrat Party Platform:

We will continue to oppose—and seek to overturn—federal and state laws and policies that impede a woman’s access to abortion...

A political ideology that supports the "safe" killing of children in the womb will never unite this country.

Let me preface. I am not a supporter of abortion unless there are financial hardships, the baby is unhealthy, mother’s life is in danger, in cases of rape, or incest.

With that being said, generally speaking, Republican views lack social wellness programs. There are times when abortion is sought due to financial hardships or when it is a young mother. If the mother cannot have an abortion, where can she get help if social programs are stripped?

Just want to know overall, is any abortion acceptable as soon as conception occurs? If so, 1st, 2nd, 3rd trimesters?

[TheHeel]

Please wear the salmon colored polo.

St. Louis couple who waved guns at Black Lives Matters demonstrators to take part in GOP convention

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...-protesters-to

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Will she even be there?




Let me preface. I am not a supporter of abortion unless there are financial hardships, the baby is unhealthy, mother’s life is in danger, in cases of rape, or incest.

With that being said, generally speaking, Republican views lack social wellness programs. There are times when abortion is sought due to financial hardships or when it is a young mother. If the mother cannot have an abortion, where can she get help if social programs are stripped?

Just want to know overall, is any abortion acceptable as soon as conception occurs? If so, 1st, 2nd, 3rd trimesters?

It’s quite amazing how you flip everything around to blaming Republicans. Right now there are safety programs and abortions are still occurring, so your premise that it’s an either/or proposition is severely flawed.

Abortion should not be legal unless The mother’s life is in danger or extreme cases of rape/sexual violence. The killing of any person regardless of viability should not be accepted in a civilized society, especially when they have no chance to defend themselves.

If all it takes for you to support anti-abortion efforts is a pledge to not cut “social wellness programs” - whatever that nebulous term means - then I see no reason to cut them if it means saving innocent lives in a manner that is consistent with the Constitution.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Will she even be there?




Let me preface. I am not a supporter of abortion unless there are financial hardships, the baby is unhealthy, mother’s life is in danger, in cases of rape, or incest.

With that being said, generally speaking, Republican views lack social wellness programs. There are times when abortion is sought due to financial hardships or when it is a young mother. If the mother cannot have an abortion, where can she get help if social programs are stripped?

Just want to know overall, is any abortion acceptable as soon as conception occurs? If so, 1st, 2nd, 3rd trimesters?

Wow... how can you flip things on the other side??? Young mothers are still getting plenty of help???? Abortions are still happening so what't the logic??

I for am just going to say this I'm glad that when my dad was told by the doctors, that they had a problem with me and my mom during birth that he didn't say "just abort the baby" or I'm glad my young grandmother didn't say " oh I messed around and now I'm pregnant so I'll abort" I wouldn't be here.

[Chris Lyle]

[QUOTE=jdandns;16322401][QUOTE=DegaBama;16322363]

Platform will be laid out over the remaining nights, as planned.

Putin isn't done writing Trump's yet for next week.



No need. Trump has doubled Obama's golf trips at this point in their Presidencies, and Obama didn't take his rounds at his own overpriced golf clubs so as to gorge himself on our tax dollars like a pig at a trough.

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

A regular bologna sandwich is a whole lot better than the rotten headcheese one stinking up the White House now.

If this is what a regular bologna sandwich is gotten too, I'm never eating one again.

[Chris Lyle]

[QUOTE=jdandns;16322401][QUOTE=DegaBama;16322363]

Platform will be laid out over the remaining nights, as planned.

Putin isn't done writing Trump's yet for next week.



No need. Trump has doubled Obama's golf trips at this point in their Presidencies, and Obama didn't take his rounds at his own overpriced golf clubs so as to gorge himself on our tax dollars like a pig at a trough.

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

A regular bologna sandwich is a whole lot better than the rotten headcheese one stinking up the White House now.

If Russia is writing Trump's, China better hurry up and get done with Biden's platform.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by corndog

https://democrats.org/where-we-stand...all-americans/

Straight from the Democrat Party Platform:

We will continue to oppose—and seek to overturn—federal and state laws and policies that impede a woman’s access to abortion...

A political ideology that supports the "safe" killing of children in the womb will never unite this country.

Absolutely. But they don't want to talk about things like this subject, they want to act like it's not relevant anymore, just leave it alone.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Please wear the salmon colored polo.

St. Louis couple who waved guns at Black Lives Matters demonstrators to take part in GOP convention

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...-protesters-to

Demonstrators. You mean trespassers.

[Boo]

Did the Dems find the cure for the "European virus" last night or not?

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Boo

Did the Dems find the cure for the "European virus" last night or not?

I think they officially re-named it the “Orange Flu”

[rman112]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

I think they officially re-named it the “Orange Flu”

The ironic thing is that Trump's old and kinda fat. He's in the high risk group. He's been around people that have tested positive. He took hydroxychloroquine (Don't take it! It'll kill you!). And he hasn't teated positive.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by rman112

The ironic thing is that Trump's old and kinda fat. He's in the high risk group. He's been around people that have tested positive. He took hydroxychloroquine (Don't take it! It'll kill you!). And he hasn't teated positive.

It’s the McDonald’s cheeseburgers. The hormones in the pseudobeef have incredible antiviral properties.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

It’s the McDonald’s cheeseburgers. The hormones in the pseudobeef have incredible antiviral properties.

That or the hair dye.

It's only a matter of time before some nut jpb offers someone with covid $5k to get close enough to Trump and cough on him.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by gopherfan

We actually need more and better sleep in this country. Or at least I do.

Is that the conservative or liberal position? I need to know that first before I decide whether I agree with this or not.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

Is that the conservative or liberal position? I need to know that first before I decide whether I agree with this or not.

Hahaha

[Brobocop]

[QUOTE=DegaBama;16322363]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Ton of assumptions. Facts. That's all people want. Saying the deaths are on him, is wrong. People have this fantasy that he could have stopped this... he couldn't.

Here, we have the left, who claims they want to unite America. The only way they will do that is by uniform laws. They haven't explain how they will unite America.

I want to hear what they plan to do, not who they hate.

I might disagree a bit on nothing Trump could do. I get that at the outset of the virus, many on both sides didn't take it seriously enough. There was also plenty of information given that looking back now, was incorrect. But, once it was apparent that we had an issue on our hand, I do not think Trump did enough to make this better.

-Refusing to wear a mask in public, fueled a segment of anti-maskers, not all, but a portion.
-Referring to it as a Democrat hoax.
-Not encouraging states to shut down quicker and together.
-Lack of supplies and stimulus given out.
-Encouraging people to take drugs and medications that were not proven safe or viable to combat that virus.
-Calling it the "China Virus" which could hurt Chinese-Americans here in the country.
-Never taking any responsibility for the current situations.
-Going on trips/vacations while people are out of a job and struggling like never before, not good optics.

I do think he lacks empathy, and while I think most politicians do, he can't even fake it. He just doesn't come off like he cares about most people. He strikes me as a President who truly thinks he should only have to serve those who support him. As if the American people work for him in some capacity. I'm not anti-Republican. I like various folks on that side. I voted for John McCain and Mitt Romney. I registered as a Republican to vote for Kasich in the 2016 primaries. I agree with some of their takes as well.

But, the adage that you become more conservative as you grow older has not turned out to be the case for me. I'm 35 now and I feel more left leaning than ever, primarily because I do think the role of government should be to help the people. I think we do need strong security nets for people. I think we should be taking care of others. I think things like healthcare shouldn't be something that sends people to the poor house.

What has always stricken me as odd about the abortion argument is that people seem to want to ban the process yet don't want to fund things like food stamps, education, and other programs. So basically, once the child is born, they might as well be dead because they have almost no future. Having done a lot of volunteer service in poorer areas of Cleveland, I can tell you that what I see is not good. No stable home life and their schools are overcrowded and undermanned. You also have a lack of fresh food or places to go shop. It really does feel like that sometimes, there are people who only care about the fetus and once that fetus is born, some of those same people say "Pick yourself up by the bootstraps." I can tell you a lot of these kids don't even have bootstraps to pick themselves up by, and never will. Yes, some will make it out of there, but I can guarantee that it's few and far between.

[Jgil316]

I guess we missed Trump saying:

If he doesn't win the election - it will have been rigged

And AGAIN he floats - he should get another 4 years........

If Putin can do it, why not Trump????

[tpeichel34]

Was this really part of the DNC convention?

https://mobile.twitter.com/KyleKulin...64262128132097

[JeremyNick]

[QUOTE=Brobocop;16322816]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

I might disagree a bit on nothing Trump could do. I get that at the outset of the virus, many on both sides didn't take it seriously enough. There was also plenty of information given that looking back now, was incorrect. But, once it was apparent that we had an issue on our hand, I do not think Trump did enough to make this better.

-Refusing to wear a mask in public, fueled a segment of anti-maskers, not all, but a portion.
-Referring to it as a Democrat hoax.
-Not encouraging states to shut down quicker and together.
-Lack of supplies and stimulus given out.
-Encouraging people to take drugs and medications that were not proven safe or viable to combat that virus.
-Calling it the "China Virus" which could hurt Chinese-Americans here in the country.
-Never taking any responsibility for the current situations.
-Going on trips/vacations while people are out of a job and struggling like never before, not good optics.

I do think he lacks empathy, and while I think most politicians do, he can't even fake it. He just doesn't come off like he cares about most people. He strikes me as a President who truly thinks he should only have to serve those who support him. As if the American people work for him in some capacity. I'm not anti-Republican. I like various folks on that side. I voted for John McCain and Mitt Romney. I registered as a Republican to vote for Kasich in the 2016 primaries. I agree with some of their takes as well.

But, the adage that you become more conservative as you grow older has not turned out to be the case for me. I'm 35 now and I feel more left leaning than ever, primarily because I do think the role of government should be to help the people. I think we do need strong security nets for people. I think we should be taking care of others. I think things like healthcare shouldn't be something that sends people to the poor house.

What has always stricken me as odd about the abortion argument is that people seem to want to ban the process yet don't want to fund things like food stamps, education, and other programs. So basically, once the child is born, they might as well be dead because they have almost no future. Having done a lot of volunteer service in poorer areas of Cleveland, I can tell you that what I see is not good. No stable home life and their schools are overcrowded and undermanned. You also have a lack of fresh food or places to go shop. It really does feel like that sometimes, there are people who only care about the fetus and once that fetus is born, some of those same people say "Pick yourself up by the bootstraps." I can tell you a lot of these kids don't even have bootstraps to pick themselves up by, and never will. Yes, some will make it out of there, but I can guarantee that it's few and far between.

I’m willing to bet there are less then 5% of politicians that have any empathy for the American people they serve. Even those that “advocate” for socials safety nets are not doing it out of empathy. As you said, Trump has not made empathy his platform. It’s not in his nature. Other politicians simply throw the empathy mask on when it’s time to get votes. Others have a completely misplaced sense of empathy.

The idea of stewardship gets incredibly overlooked or just ignored. Politicians are not and should not be picking winners and losers. They should demonstrate responsible stewardship of the American resources, especially tax money they require of us. That means making tough decisions when it comes to safety nets, social programs and the idea of personal responsibility. You want to help those that can’t need it without creating a system that increases dependence or decrease personal responsibility.

Politicians do not espouse the principle of responsible stewardship. They display ownership over the system rather than being given the responsibility of proper administration of it.

I think that advocating for large scale abortion is antithetical to empathy. It erodes any moral ground someone has to advocate for anything else. If you can not protect children, you should not expect anyone to listen to your moral arguments. They are the most vulnerable members of our society and in need of the greatest level of safety nets.