Russell Wilson

[Ra3]

Just for reference on the 2012 prizm vs chrome debate, this relatively recent thread addressed some of it:

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1392991

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by GoHawks25

Just an FYI, the Seahawks had the 22nd ranked defense in points against last season and still managed a 11-5 record making it to the divisional round. Run game was strong, but the Seahawks don’t make it to the playoffs without an elite QB like Russell Wilson last year, let alone 1 score away from the NFC Championship game while on the road at Lambeau. After week 8 he was the MVP front runner too, so he’s clearly a top QB in the league who even when his defense struggles still manages to put the team on his shoulders. He led the league in 4th quarter comebacks at 4 and also led the league with 5 game winning drives. He was simply clutch last season and with the game on the line he’s the QB you want leading your team.

I agree. Like I said in an earlier post I'm more impressed with what he's done in recent seasons. He's carried the team at times - a sign of greatness.

But 2013? That D was demoralizing teams.

[heatdawg]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

I agree. Like I said in an earlier post I'm more impressed with what he's done in recent seasons. He's carried the team at times - a sign of greatness.

But 2013? That D was demoralizing teams.

In my opinion from a football POV, if the defense was that good, there is no way the team would ask Russ to carry them with that D. Now when he didn't have that D, there is more put on him which so far he has answered the bell.

With Adams now though, do they go back to the 2013 days where it will not be on Russ's shoulders? That might be the case, but in general, when those 4Q drives come into play, you can trust Russ can get it done.

[Scottish Punk]

I see Russell's career arc much like Big Ben for Pittsburgh and to a lesser extent Brady for the Pats. For all you Brady honks that get triggered easily, I am not saying Wilson is the same as Brady.

All three started their careers with run heavy, great defensive teams that had post season success. They weren't asked to do much and succeeded. As those teams lost defensive pieces and the QB progressed, the offense became more pass oriented. Their success has still followed. I see Big Ben and Russell being pretty similar when it is all said and done. Of course Brady has 100 super bowl appearances cause Belichek.

[GoHawks25]

I’d argue Brady has relied on an elite defense more than Russell Wilson. The Patriots have had a top 10 defense 16 of the last 20 seasons.... Including 8 seasons with a top 5 defenses. Russell Wilson hasn’t had a top 10 defense for 3 consecutive seasons! Although yeah, the years prior obviously they were lights out. Definitely interesting to see what the next few years will entail. If the Seahawks can have a top 7-10 defense again playoffs are pretty much a guarantee, it just depends on how well Russell Wilson is playing, and he just came off his best season and seems to improve every year, so we’ll see!

[RW3isTHEGOAT]

Originally Posted by weeds73

Thanks for the color. I have been picking up mostly Topps chrome and the various parallels, but it makes sense that prizm may win out given the push from basketball investors and newer collectors that only know prizm in football.

In my mind, the jury is still out on Wilson being a good long-term investment. Don’t get me wrong, he is a great player and I expect him to have a solid career when it’s all said and done (probably HOF). I just don’t think that most people watch him and think to themselves that they are watching one of the all-time greats.


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how is the jury still out... he's 31. 2 SB appearances. 1 ring. 7 pro bowls. Has 10 years of solid football left. has great stats. made the playoffs and has had double digit wins every year except one. He's a HOF lock if he retired tomorrow. He's definitely going to go down as one of the all time greats brotha

[RW3isTHEGOAT]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

The reason no one is rushing here to chime in is because I'm right. The defense "helped out a lot"? Even the most 12-y, die-hard 'Hawks fan will tell you the D is THE reason they won the Super Bowl. That Defense was amazing, stocked with great players in a great system. You've allowed your Russ worship to cloud your perception of that year.



He did? Rewatch that game. Check the stats. Kap threw 2 pics but also rushed for 130 yards. Came down to the last play. That game was all about ... get this... defense.

And lest you think I'm just anti-Seahawks... I think Bobby Wagner may be the most underrated defensive talent of the last 10 years. Great player.

My feeling on Wilson is he is overrated. I think there is a reason Pete and Co. double down on running and defense over emphasizing building a spectacular offense around him. He's good, but right now, I wouldn't put him in top 20 all time. Saying "putting his at #2 all-time is a stretch" is ridiculous. No one, anywhere, ever, including Russell Wilson's mom is putting him at #2 all-time.

Stop being a homer. Be a football fan.

I'm not being a homer. I understand that the 2013 seahawks is a top defense of all time. All I'm saying is that's not a super bowl winning team if Russ is not under center. You just can't agree to that and keep saying "RuSs GoT cArrIed" which is blowing it way out of proportion. Kaep tossed 2 pics and had a passer rating of 56. Russell played better that game and was a huge part of that SB team. I don't know why it's so hard for you to admit the fact that the 2013 seahawks team are not winning the super bowl without Russ.

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by RW3isTHEGOAT

I'm not being a homer. I understand that the 2013 seahawks is a top defense of all time. All I'm saying is that's not a super bowl winning team if Russ is not under center. You just can't agree to that and keep saying "RuSs GoT cArrIed" which is blowing it way out of proportion. Kaep tossed 2 pics and had a passer rating of 56. Russell played better that game and was a huge part of that SB team. I don't know why it's so hard for you to admit the fact that the 2013 seahawks team are not winning the super bowl without Russ.

Passer rating aside, they played similar games except Kap outrushed Marshawn.

Sorry, Kid. Russ was carried to his only SB win by a legendary D. We saw what happened when he tried to win the big game by himself. He gave Tom Brady another Super Bowl win.

[RW3isTHEGOAT]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

Passer rating aside, they played similar games except Kap outrushed Marshawn.

Sorry, Kid. Russ was carried to his only SB win by a legendary D. We saw what happened when he tried to win the big game by himself. He gave Tom Brady another Super Bowl win.

lmao.. I guess you are entitled to your own opinion.

[RW3isTHEGOAT]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

Passer rating aside, they played similar games except Kap outrushed Marshawn.

Sorry, Kid. Russ was carried to his only SB win by a legendary D. We saw what happened when he tried to win the big game by himself. He gave Tom Brady another Super Bowl win.

Your 49ers had the best defense in the league this year and Jimmy G couldn't get it done on the biggest stage against one of the worst defenses in the league.. yea you went up against the fire power of mahomes in the chiefs, but Russ was also playing the best offense in the league in the 2013 SB as well in the Denver Broncos. Defense plays a big role no doubt, but whats a good defense without a great quarterback to win the championship for you?

[RW3isTHEGOAT]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

I see Russell's career arc much like Big Ben for Pittsburgh and to a lesser extent Brady for the Pats. For all you Brady honks that get triggered easily, I am not saying Wilson is the same as Brady.

All three started their careers with run heavy, great defensive teams that had post season success. They weren't asked to do much and succeeded. As those teams lost defensive pieces and the QB progressed, the offense became more pass oriented. Their success has still followed. I see Big Ben and Russell being pretty similar when it is all said and done. Of course Brady has 100 super bowl appearances cause Belichek.

good take. I would love to see pete carrol let Russ sling it more this season.

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by RW3isTHEGOAT

Your 49ers had the best defense in the league this year and Jimmy G couldn't get it done on the biggest stage against one of the worst defenses in the league.. yea you went up against the fire power of mahomes in the chiefs, but Russ was also playing the best offense in the league in the 2013 SB as well in the Denver Broncos. Defense plays a big role no doubt, but whats a good defense without a great quarterback to win the championship for you?

KC had one of the worst defenses in the league?

Tell me more. Maybe, you know, take a time out. Read up a little bit.

And if you cherry pick a few KC defensive stats I'm going to come back and crush you. So do the right thing.

[RW3isTHEGOAT]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

KC had one of the worst defenses in the league?

Tell me more. Maybe, you know, take a time out. Read up a little bit.

And if you cherry pick a few KC defensive stats I'm going to come back and crush you. So do the right thing.

KC's defense wasn't anything compared to the broncos defense in 2013... and KC defense was definitely not a top 16 lol

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by RW3isTHEGOAT

KC's defense wasn't anything compared to the broncos defense in 2013... and KC defense was definitely not a top 16 lol

Funny thing - KC allowed less points (7th out of 32) than the 49ers D in 2019. That's what you measure D on.

in 2013 Broncos were 22nd in points allowed.

"LOL". Research is not your thing, I see.

Question - who do you take RIGHT NOW. Mahomes or Wilson?

[mmier118]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

I see Russell's career arc much like Big Ben for Pittsburgh and to a lesser extent Brady for the Pats. For all you Brady honks that get triggered easily, I am not saying Wilson is the same as Brady.

All three started their careers with run heavy, great defensive teams that had post season success. They weren't asked to do much and succeeded. As those teams lost defensive pieces and the QB progressed, the offense became more pass oriented. Their success has still followed. I see Big Ben and Russell being pretty similar when it is all said and done. Of course Brady has 100 super bowl appearances cause Belichek.

I agree with this, this is a good assessment, also I’m honestly still a little mad at wilson for his pick at the end of Super Bowl 49. If he completed that pass or just handed it to marshawn, maybe you could argue he could eventually be in that upper echelon of QB’s, but as it is he has to do more to be considered. But at the same stage of their careers he seems to me like Drew Brees so if Russ keeps performing I guess anything is possible.

[RW3isTHEGOAT]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

Funny thing - KC allowed less points (7th out of 32) than the 49ers D in 2019. That's what you measure D on.

in 2013 Broncos were 22nd in points allowed.

"LOL". Research is not your thing, I see.

Question - who do you take RIGHT NOW. Mahomes or Wilson?

based off consistency and talent I think you can go either way. I'm taking Russ.

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by mmier118

I agree with this, this is a good assessment, also I’m honestly still a little mad at wilson for his pick at the end of Super Bowl 49. If he completed that pass or just handed it to marshawn, maybe you could argue he could eventually be in that upper echelon of QB’s, but as it is he has to do more to be considered. But at the same stage of their careers he seems to me like Drew Brees so if Russ keeps performing I guess anything is possible.

Such a stupid play call. Run beast mode and don't over think it. If you are going to pass, run a play-action out route or a simple fade to the corner. Throwing a slant into where the defense is packed. Dumb. That guy is the OC for the Lions now yay!!! Some blame still goes to Carroll for signing off and Russ for throwing it though.

It is strange to think small things like that change a legacy for a player. I always think of the Peyton. For years it was he can't win the big game and just puts up stats. He wins his first Super Bowl, still not playing well during the playoffs and then it was look at all playoff appearances this legend has. Media narratives can be a powerful thing.

[The_Reverend]

Going through some football boxes and found these. I heard gems were going big. I need to look them up.

[CapitalPCards]

The Russ PC






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[RW3isTHEGOAT]

Can't wait until the seahawks win the super bowl and all the Russ haters are gonna try and jump on the bandwagon

[ninjacookies]

I don't even have the courage to look back at my old photobucket.

Was supercollecting Wilson hard since preseason of 2012. Finest/chrome/contenders colored and sp autos out the wazoo. 1/1's and all that. Think I was paying maybe $250 for pulsar patch autos, and $200 for chrome base autos. Like $350 for a camo auto. Of course I sold 3 years ago because I wanted to jump back into crypto (which didn't go that badly), thinking his market would never take off.

[RW3isTHEGOAT]

Russ Chrome rc psa 10s all goin over $1000 right now.. What do you think the ceiling for this card is (given he is very capable of winning another couple super bowls and an MVP and accumulating many more awesome stats and accolades along the way)?

Go Hawks baby!

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[Shanksampson]

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[Archangel1775]

Too bad those PMGs weren't in por uniforms