How is this a ‘Black 10’

[Bruin7]

Grading is subjective but that certainly shouldn’t be a flagship black label.

[Yaga]

Originally Posted by BRob1

It’s off center left to right but it looks like it’s within 60/40.

The Zion looks worse, even though BGS has stricter centering requirements. It’s close to 60/40 even though BGS should be 50/50 both ways for a 10. That’s pretty bad to put that well known a card in a black label with that centering.

I don't even see it being close to 60/40. Looks way off, maybe it's just me

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by Yaga

I don't even see it being close to 60/40. Looks way off, maybe it's just me

I measured it as best I could give the pic quality and I was getting right around 60/40. You’d be surprised what 60/40 actually looks like if you’re used to measuring.

[cking]

Originally Posted by Ober12

The takeaway from all these posts is all TPG are bad, either due to incompetence or corruption (or both), and you should buy the card and not the grade. Still doesn't make sense to me the premiums people pay on graded when time and time again this sort of graded cards pop up

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People cannot think for themselves. Its a troubling aspect in all of society today.

They have to be told what is good or bad, what is wrong or right.

[Ober12]

Originally Posted by Bruin7

Grading is subjective but that certainly shouldn’t be a flagship black label.

Centering should be the least subjective part of grading though, and for bordered cards like Prizm and Donruss Optic they should honestly just do those with computer vision. No reason to give a 10 subgrade to an OC card

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[cking]

Originally Posted by Ober12

Centering should be the least subjective part of grading though, and for bordered cards like Prizm and Donruss Optic they should honestly just do those with computer vision. No reason to give a 10 subgrade to an OC card

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Centering is the one thing that is not subjective.

As long as there are tools to measure things, no ones opinion should matter.

Measure it. Its either centered or its not. There is no opinion on what a ruler says.

[Bob Ross]

A few months ago I cracked a Prizm Zion PSA 9 and sent to BGS. It got a gold label 10.

That was a fun day.

BGS/PSA <

[NoleinJax]

That's embarrassing.

[hauntedcomputer]

But it's not a bubble and everything's fine.

[Ferg1945]

Originally Posted by 773cards

Grader wasn’t seeing correctly that day.

[chuckerrrr]

Originally Posted by cking

Centering is the one thing that is not subjective.

As long as there are tools to measure things, no ones opinion should matter.

Measure it. Its either centered or its not. There is no opinion on what a ruler says.

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[isles4life]

grading is subjective

[bloodwings19]

How come I don't get graders like that?!?!?! The submitter was probaly praying it would get at least a 9, then Beckett answered. I would not have send that card for grading.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by cking

People cannot think for themselves. Its a troubling aspect in all of society today.

They have to be told what is good or bad, what is wrong or right.

People also have trouble not interjecting their own nonsense into places where it doesn’t belong.

Example: A thread is made about a BGS 10 black label being off center and not warranting a BGS 10 centering grade, and then butthurt BGS fanboys post examples of PSA 10s that they feel are worse examples of centering.

As if a BGS black label or 10 centering grade is equivalent to a PSA 10. BGS black label is the best grade you can get, hence why BGS 10s and black labels fetch more than PSA 10s... because of the higher grading standard. Posting inferior PSA 10s is pointless when it’s accepted in the hobby that PSA 10 is an inferior grade. You’re accomplishing nothing other than showing the rest of the forum how obnoxious you can be.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by cking

I will just leave this here

I need the grader!

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by isles4life

grading is subjective

True, but that is objectively not "10" centering.

[phdbeckett]

Is it possible that there were multiple copies submitted and graded but a slip up in the holdering process put the wrong one in the 10 label?

I had a sub earlier this year with 37 of that card consecutively graded, so anything is possible.

[heatdawg]

The future for BGS:

-You buy BGS slabs to crack and send to PSA/SGC

-GMA's big brother

This goes beyong the black label, just watching how the 3 big companies are handling this crazy time, BGS is falling further and further behind. I would purchase SGC over BGS all day right now. And of course, PSA is king and is making adjustments to stay there.

[BlownOut]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/ZION-WILLIA...53.m1438.l2649
And then there is this

[deftones04]

Originally Posted by dcgdpt

There is a Zion rookie base Black 10 on PWCC auctions that looks clearly off center graded a Black 10. How is this possible? What am I missing

https://www.ebay.com/itm/402362835799

Didn't read through the comments but prob came from Eagle Eye Joes crew. If your unsure who he is there is a thread about him

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

People also have trouble not interjecting their own nonsense into places where it doesn’t belong.

Example: A thread is made about a BGS 10 black label being off center and not warranting a BGS 10 centering grade, and then butthurt BGS fanboys post examples of PSA 10s that they feel are worse examples of centering.

As if a BGS black label or 10 centering grade is equivalent to a PSA 10. BGS black label is the best grade you can get, hence why BGS 10s and black labels fetch more than PSA 10s... because of the higher grading standard. Posting inferior PSA 10s is pointless when it’s accepted in the hobby that PSA 10 is an inferior grade. You’re accomplishing nothing other than showing the rest of the forum how obnoxious you can be.

Stop being logical! How dare you make sense!

[LALeakers]

When will people realize grading is trash and far from perfect?

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by phdbeckett

Is it possible that there were multiple copies submitted and graded but a slip up in the holdering process put the wrong one in the 10 label?

I had a sub earlier this year with 37 of that card consecutively graded, so anything is possible.

I suspect that this is how this happens IMO

[pattymahomeboy]

PWCC canceled this listing now.... strange

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by pattymahomeboy

PWCC canceled this listing now.... strange

Probably going to get a letter from BGS saying that it has 50/50 centering.