How is this a ‘Black 10’

dcgdpt · 08-15-2020, 11:38 AM

There is a Zion rookie base Black 10 on PWCC auctions that looks clearly off center graded a Black 10. How is this possible? What am I missing

https://www.ebay.com/itm/402362835799

KhalDrogo · 08-15-2020, 11:40 AM

Because BGS is garbage?

jzx1103 · 08-15-2020, 11:44 AM

Don't argue dammit, if BGS says its a 10, then its a 10. You do not question their wisdom.

GeechQuest · 08-15-2020, 11:48 AM

There’s no such thing as a Pristine card. There is no Black Label 10 that is actually Pristine and would have 10s in every category across the board if cracked and resubmitted.

The value is in the label itself, not the card.

If that’s how some people want to collect and want to pay up for that labeling, that’s their prerogative and completely fine to do.

sumofallvices · 08-15-2020, 11:55 AM

When looking for perfect centering, trust PSA not BGS.

dcarado · 08-15-2020, 11:55 AM

Wait, are we talking about the same company that has dozens of skilled and reputable submitters that get 10s about 2% of the time (as expected) while a handful of customers magically achieve 10-20 card runs of pristines?

3124508 on COMC · 08-15-2020, 12:15 PM

Kobefan · 08-15-2020, 12:28 PM

I guessing maybe the grader won't lower the card grade if they themselves damage the card condition?

tjforce · 08-15-2020, 12:28 PM

This post needs attention. This has the chance to be an absolutely iconic card. But it’s just wrong. That centering is not even close to 9.5 worthy, never mind 10.

hxcmilkshake · 08-15-2020, 12:29 PM

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Damn it. Beat me to it.

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ohio_mba · 08-15-2020, 12:57 PM

There isn't a PSA 10 that's perfectly centered either.

LeLuka · 08-15-2020, 12:59 PM

Maybe BGS looking to start being PSA and not caring as much about centering. More 10’s = More business.

GeechQuest · 08-15-2020, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ohio_mba

There isn't a PSA 10 that's perfectly centered either. But oh well....

The difference is PSA allows for 60/40 on centering. I don’t think they should be that liberal, but it’s not my company so it’s at least justifiable based on their guidelines.

I’m not sure that Beckett outlines their parameters for what constitutes a “10” centering sub grade, but the implication of “Pristine” tells me it needs to be 50/50.

dcarado · 08-15-2020, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tjforce

This post needs attention. This has the chance to be an absolutely iconic card. But it’s just wrong. That centering is not even close to 9.5 worthy, never mind 10.

The only bright side to cards like this is that the market is starting to take notice. I've been buying PSA 9s of certain tough-to-grade cards (specifically OC) for a bit, and I've noticed some pretty significant price differences between 9's. Some of that has to do with the potential of crossing 9's to bgs 9.5s, but I would imagine a card like that will not get the same premium as other black labels (even though it doesn't deserve much more than a 9.5

).

RogerGodahell · 08-15-2020, 01:16 PM

Hey Joe....where you going with that card in your hand?

BRob1 · 08-15-2020, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GeechQuest

The difference is PSA allows for 60/40 on centering. I don’t think they should be that liberal, but it’s not my company so it’s at least justifiable based on their guidelines.

I’m not sure that Beckett outlines their parameters for what constitutes a “10” centering sub grade, but the implication of “Pristine” tells me it needs to be 50/50.

BGS says a pristine 10 has to be 50/50 both ways on the front and at least 60/40 on the back. A 9.5 centering has to be 50/50 one way and 55/45 the other on the front. Same 60/40 on the back.

King44 · 08-15-2020, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dcarado

The only bright side to cards like this is that the market is starting to take notice. I've been buying PSA 9s of certain tough-to-grade cards (specifically OC) for a bit, and I've noticed some pretty significant price differences between 9's. Some of that has to do with the potential of crossing 9's to bgs 9.5s, but I would imagine a card like that will not get the same premium as other black labels (even though it doesn't deserve much more than a 9.5

).

You’d hope so but a lot of the new people will buy based only on the label. Will it matter years down the road, not sure...

ninjacookies · 08-15-2020, 01:22 PM

Buy the slab, not the content of character.

jcardstore · 08-15-2020, 01:27 PM

Because eagle eye joe submitted it

BRob1 · 08-15-2020, 01:29 PM

It’s either incompetence at best or a scam at worst. If BGS is anything like PSA, multiple people have to review a card before it’s slabbed. Particularly with a black label you would expect the most senior grader to review the card to catch it and say no this isn’t 50/50 centering.

Bootshine · 08-15-2020, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tjforce

This post needs attention. This has the chance to be an absolutely iconic card. But it’s just wrong. That centering is not even close to 9.5 worthy, never mind 10.

Does it also seem to slightly taper in at the top left corner? It seems less than straight.

gomiamigo · 08-15-2020, 02:00 PM

That is truly terrible.

Jopeal · 08-15-2020, 02:03 PM

What is "Centering?"

773cards · 08-15-2020, 02:04 PM

Grader wasn’t seeing correctly that day.

heatdawg · 08-15-2020, 02:08 PM

Cant compare a psa 10 to a bgs black label, 2 different grades. BGS should be ashamed. I would not be shocked if BGS did not exist in 10 years.

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ohio_mba Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,395	There isn't a PSA 10 that's perfectly centered either. Last edited by ohio_mba; 08-15-2020 at 04:27 PM.

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jzx1103 Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,568	Don't argue dammit, if BGS says its a 10, then its a 10. You do not question their wisdom.

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GeechQuest Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Cedar Park, TX Posts: 10,779 GeechQuest	There’s no such thing as a Pristine card. There is no Black Label 10 that is actually Pristine and would have 10s in every category across the board if cracked and resubmitted. The value is in the label itself, not the card. If that’s how some people want to collect and want to pay up for that labeling, that’s their prerogative and completely fine to do.

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sumofallvices Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 302	When looking for perfect centering, trust PSA not BGS.

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dcarado Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 4,575 dcarado56	Wait, are we talking about the same company that has dozens of skilled and reputable submitters that get 10s about 2% of the time (as expected) while a handful of customers magically achieve 10-20 card runs of pristines?

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Kobefan Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,118 kobefan321	I guessing maybe the grader won't lower the card grade if they themselves damage the card condition?

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LeLuka Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 129	Maybe BGS looking to start being PSA and not caring as much about centering. More 10’s = More business.

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BRob1 Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 7,116	It’s either incompetence at best or a scam at worst. If BGS is anything like PSA, multiple people have to review a card before it’s slabbed. Particularly with a black label you would expect the most senior grader to review the card to catch it and say no this isn’t 50/50 centering.

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Jopeal Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: RI Posts: 8,153 dr.jopeal	What is "Centering?"

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heatdawg Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Upstate, NY Posts: 1,489 heatbreaker	Cant compare a psa 10 to a bgs black label, 2 different grades. BGS should be ashamed. I would not be shocked if BGS did not exist in 10 years.