2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[jarrodsalas]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

I don’t even know what argument you’re making but you’re in the minority if you distrust the post office.

I definitely distrust them and I am not in the minority. We have seen rogue employees do crazy things in the past. Dump junk mail, carelessly deliver packages, deliver to wrong address...Why in the hell would I trust something like that with a mail in ballot system. 25 billion to make it work? No freaking thank you. Every single american is venturing outside now. Polling is done in neighborhoods. I'm not buying that mail in is the answer.

[Yanks23]

Isn't the real problem of mail in voting - who is going to count and reconcile all of these pieces of paper? Can you image the mess this will be for the polling stations in big cities. This will make the "hanging Chad" look like a dream.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

I definitely distrust them and I am not in the minority. We have seen rogue employees do crazy things in the past. Dump junk mail, carelessly deliver packages, deliver to wrong address...Why in the hell would I trust something like that with a mail in ballot system. 25 billion to make it work? No freaking thank you. Every single american is venturing outside now. Polling is done in neighborhoods. I'm not buying that mail in is the answer.

Yes, you are in the minority, and it's an extreme minority at that.

https://about.usps.com/newsroom/nati...ent-agency.htm

[TheHeel]

The kult still protecting their kool-aid mixer?

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by Onions

If the USPS can handle Mothers Day without an extra $25 Billion, they can surely handle election day.

That’s what I’ve been thinking. Why do they need so much damn money to deliver some extra mail? The ballots aren’t mailed all at once. People mail so many of those family portrait postcards, regular cards, presents, etc. around Christmas time, but voting ballots is going to cause such an incomprehensible surge in mall volume that they need $10B (or is it $25B?) to get er done?

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by Yanks23

Isn't the real problem of mail in voting - who is going to count and reconcile all of these pieces of paper? Can you image the mess this will be for the polling stations in big cities. This will make the "hanging Chad" look like a dream.

I think this guy gets it. But not to worry. The DNC will have as many ballots printed up and ready to go as needed to get the job done. Plus, they already have big cities wrapped up. They only have to zero in on key swing districts. It will make Bolivian elections look clean by comparison.

[corndog]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

I think this guy gets it. But not to worry. The DNC will have as many ballots printed up and ready to go as needed to get the job done. Plus, they already have big cities wrapped up. They only have to zero in on key swing districts. It will make Bolivian elections look clean by comparison.

[wood minis]

If there was so much fraud perpetrated by the Democrats with voting, there would be no President Trump right now. Trump is doing everything in his power to do exactly what he says his opponents are doing, corrupt the democratic process. He's not hiding the fact.

[Jgil316]

I love how Trump says absolutely idiotic and horrific - on tape .....

Then his team of spin doctors panic - jump on Fox News and say "What he meant to say was......"
The people who give devote fealty to him and his hate just eat it up - regardless of tapes or direct quotes.

I have never seen this type of reverence in my lifetime....

[cnewby]

Durham probe announcement today, getting deeper into the corruption finally.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

I love how Trump says absolutely idiotic and horrific - on tape .....

Then his team of spin doctors panic - jump on Fox News and say "What he meant to say was......"
The people who give devote fealty to him and his hate just eat it up - regardless of tapes or direct quotes.

I have never seen this type of reverence in my lifetime....

The barrage of "Trump is evil" "Trump is racist" "Trump is corrupt" is endless in this thread. I personally don't see it. My life has improved over the past four years as well as the lives of many that I know. I attribute very little of that to Donald Trump (maybe none), 90% of it to constant effort finally paying off with it just so happening to be over the course of the last three years, and 10% luck.

So I'll ask... how has your life gotten worse over the past four years, and what rationale do you have for attributing it to Trump? "He says terrible things" doesn't really cut it for me.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

The barrage of "Trump is evil" "Trump is racist" "Trump is corrupt" is endless in this thread. I personally don't see it. My life has improved over the past four years as well as the lives of many that I know. I attribute very little of that to Donald Trump (maybe none), 90% of it to constant effort finally paying off with it just so happening to be over the course of the last three years, and 10% luck.

So I'll ask... how has your life gotten worse over the past four years, and what rationale do you have for attributing it to Trump? "He says terrible things" doesn't really cut it for me.

No one answers this question; it's been asked over and over and over.

It's not about what Trump has done; it's about how Trump makes people feel. And it's not all on Trump; the media takes the lions share of presenting Trump in the worst way, all the time, which drives the narrative of fear and angst and depression and hopelessness.

As you noted at the beginning; Trump is none of those things. I'll add; he's not a Nazi, he's not a fascist, he's not evil. But he's been given these names, over and over and over and there's a large chunk of the population that truly believe this to be true. It's become a religion for many; devoid of proof but heavy in faith.

More and more; people are unable to self reflect, self edit, largely due to social media and the constant pumping of information on a minute by minute basis. They're just told what and how to feel, and they do. And it's terrible.

[gopherfan]

Originally Posted by Onions

If the USPS can handle Mothers Day without an extra $25 Billion, they can surely handle election day.

I'll repeat this, because it seems to have been passed over.

25 billion is $71.43 for every man woman and child in the USA. I rounded up to 350 million people. Is that what it costs to mail a letter in the USA now?

[pac213up]

Biden continues to out-poll Clinton and the gap is somewhat remarkably consistent. Interested to see how his top end support # trends with his VP pick now known.

I think this thing is over but if his top end support drops to 47% or less there may be an opportunity for Trump.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...iden-6247.html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...nton-5491.html

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by pac213up

Biden continues to out-poll Clinton and the gap is somewhat remarkably consistent. Interested to see how his top end support # trends with his VP pick now known.

I think this thing is over but if his top end support drops to 47% or less there may be an opportunity for Trump.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...iden-6247.html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...nton-5491.html

Will you livestream election night please?

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by gopherfan

I'll repeat this, because it seems to have been passed over.

25 billion is $71.43 for every man woman and child in the USA. I rounded up to 350 million people. Is that what it costs to mail a letter in the USA now?

They didn’t ask for $25B in order to handle mail in ballots. And they shouldn’t ask for money, period. They have the ability to raise rates, they should do that.

[JCC6603]

Originally Posted by pac213up

Biden continues to out-poll Clinton and the gap is somewhat remarkably consistent. Interested to see how his top end support # trends with his VP pick now known.

I think this thing is over but if his top end support drops to 47% or less there may be an opportunity for Trump.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...iden-6247.html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...nton-5491.html

4 years ago there was no need to even have an election it was so in the bag....

[gopherfan]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

They didn’t ask for $25B in order to handle mail in ballots. And they shouldn’t ask for money, period. They have the ability to raise rates, they should do that.

I agree. Anytime I mention to a carrier or at the actual Post Office that they are a government entity, they push back hard about how they are privately run. If that is true, they shouldn't keep asking for bailouts.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

No one answers this question; it's been asked over and over and over.

It's not about what Trump has done; it's about how Trump makes people feel. And it's not all on Trump; the media takes the lions share of presenting Trump in the worst way, all the time, which drives the narrative of fear and angst and depression and hopelessness.

As you noted at the beginning; Trump is none of those things. I'll add; he's not a Nazi, he's not a fascist, he's not evil. But he's been given these names, over and over and over and there's a large chunk of the population that truly believe this to be true. It's become a religion for many; devoid of proof but heavy in faith.

More and more; people are unable to self reflect, self edit, largely due to social media and the constant pumping of information on a minute by minute basis. They're just told what and how to feel, and they do. And it's terrible.

This is very well said. These are my observations as well. I don't think I've ever actually asked that question in the thread, but every single day there are these vague "Trump is the worst person ever" type posts that seem emotionally driven with very little evidence to support it. And I know a lot of people feel this way, so I'm just trying to get a gauge on what he's done that has affected people on a personal level in such a way that they have so much angst for the man.

[DegaBama]

Democrats live in fantasy land. Republicans live in factual land. That's what I have seen in this thread. Not the media, they are all in fantasy land.

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Democrats live in fantasy land. Republicans live in factual land. That's what I have seen in this thread. Not the media, they are all in fantasy land.

You’re 2/3 right.

[techtre2003]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

Trump has installed his own political donor as Postmaster who is lacking in both experience and ethical boundaries. That postmaster has hamstrung and neutered the ability of the USPS to deliver and process mail efficiently leading to significant delays. This has been done to reportedly stem the flow of financial losses the USPS endures.

Trump has continually railed against the USPS since his inauguration, while trying to undermine it via the bully pulpit. He is openly trying to thwart mail-in voting. That is election interference no matter how you slice it. We have a record deficit under Trump, but during a worldwide pandemic and in the lead-up months of an election year is the ideal time to suddenly make the USPS more financially independent and efficient, huh? Convenient.

I honestly haven't seen any reporting on significant delays in the postal system but if true, okay it sounds like he chose the wrong person (again).
I can't blame the guy for railing against the system since inauguration. My father retired as a postmaster 15 years ago and couldn't wait to leave. He loved the job and his customers but even then the leadership was terrible.
And once again, the funding is in the hands of Congress. Trump can bluster all he wants about the funding but until he vetoes a bill, once again it's all just talk.
I'll also add that Trump has stated many times that he is against universal mail-in ballots and I agree with him. I have no issue with someone requesting and receiving a mail-in ballot but to just send out ballots to everyone on a voter roll that isn't kept current just doesn't make sense.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

This is very well said. These are my observations as well. I don't think I've ever actually asked that question in the thread, but every single day there are these vague "Trump is the worst person ever" type posts that seem emotionally driven with very little evidence to support it. And I know a lot of people feel this way, so I'm just trying to get a gauge on what he's done that has affected people on a personal level in such a way that they have so much angst for the man.

I mean ... look at this.

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/veter...135040768.html

The argument is "Trump is too weak to go to war". Attacking the President of the United States for not starting wars ... when you recognize that no matter how successful Trump is in certain aspects, he will get criticized 24/7 in some way ... you can appreciate what he has actually accomplished for most Americans in 3.5 years.

[kerg]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

The argument is "Trump is too weak to go to war". Attacking the President of the United States for not starting wars ... when you recognize that no matter how successful Trump is in certain aspects, he will get criticized 24/7 in some way ... you can appreciate what he has actually accomplished for most Americans in 3.5 years.

It's the boy who cried wolf on steroids and meth. After 3 1/2 years of this, I just completely tune out the media which means are there items getting lost in the shuffle that are important? Absolutely. I don't have the energy to try to pick through all the non-stop garbage though and I sure don't want to be in a non-stop 365/24/7 anger/despair cycle which some people sure love.

[NeedChapmans]

Former FBI agent who alerted evidence to obtain FISA warrants on Trump campaign to plead guilty today.

Shhhhhhh. Don't tell anyone.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/14/u...?smid=tw-share