2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Random question that anyone can jump in on: What are the trends in horror movies right now?

Popular horror often provides insights into the psyche of the time, but I'm struggling to identify any major trends. I know Jordan's Peele's films involving race have been highly rated and I recently watched The Invisible Man which put a #metoo spin on the story (it was noticeable but not too heavy handed). Remember a decade ago when everything involved zombies?

It feels like the rise of independent studios and streaming services has pushed the genre into more of an artsy, experimental stage (with the major studios simply rebooting old franchises), but maybe I'm missing a broader trend. What do people seem to be most afraid of in their movies?

With everything going on, I feel pod people and other tropes where the monsters are the people you see everyday should be making a comeback.

I think inequality (both fiscal and racial) and mental illness is what you're seeing. Movies like Get Out, Us, and The Platform showcase inequality. Invisible Man and even the new Halloween showcase how living with trauma can really affect you and your psyche.

That's just my two cents.

[free2131]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

It's politics, ethics and morality do not exist.

We could not be more opposite than one another in this regard.

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

I think he has a soul and generally wants good things for the nation.

I think he wants good things for Donald Trump and to make people fawn and heap praise on Donald Trump. If that happens to be good for the nation, then that's just coincidence. I would be shocked if he didn't have Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by ld8759

Wow. Someone agrees with me on here. I was beginning to thing this was a strictly Trump supporter thread,which would be mind boggling.

- Identify common ground with other posters whenever it emerges. (No matter how small)

- If you see two members going back and forth for an entire page, feel free to completely ignore it and simply respond to the last meaningful post someone made. (You might have to go back a page or two)

- Be willing to answer questions as well as ask them.

- Remember that few members here are thrilled with the person they will be voting for. Some members are. But most are more than willing to offer constructive criticisms of their party if you're willing to do likewise in a give and take manner.

- There are a few Third Party voters in this thread, so avoid assuming who someone is voting for based on a few comments.

- Don't defend athletes who say "Hitler was right."

Other than that, never forget that this is a forsaken place. Enjoy your time here.

[Corporal Lance]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

What would you like to discuss? I responded to your previous prompt but perhaps there is a more interesting point of discussion to be had

I'm up for anything, and am not looking to start a fight.

If you'd like, I'll pick a topic, or if you'd like, you can. I'm looking to increase dialogue, and understanding.

T

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

You can pay cash now, at any facility, at any time.

Of course ACA removes your ability to decide not to carry insurance and negotiate cash prices.

That does little to negate the fact the the biggest issue with the US Halthcare system is the lack of investment into personal health by individuals.

Personal health is bad for corporations. Overweight people are the perfect consumers. They eat all the time. They eat more processed food instead of making it themselves. They buy big clothes and cars. They stay in more to consume media and entertainment.

That is why you see the campaigns encouraging people to embrace and celebrate being fat even though it is horribly unhealthy.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Corporal Lance

I'm up for anything, and am not looking to start a fight.

If you'd like, I'll pick a topic, or if you'd like, you can. I'm looking to increase dialogue, and understanding.

T

Please continue. I'm open.

I have a carryover issue with certain posters here stemming from a previous thread. It's unlikely to be resolved amicably.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by tpeichel34

Personal health is bad for corporations. Overweight people are the perfect consumers. They eat all the time. They eat more processed food instead of making it themselves. They buy big clothes and cars. They stay in more to consume media and entertainment.

That is why you see the campaigns encouraging people to embrace and celebrate being fat even though it is horribly unhealthy.

Over-consumption has been a driving force in our economy for decades.
How can this be corrected without a large-scale reform in consumerism?

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by tpeichel34

Personal health is bad for corporations. Overweight people are the perfect consumers. They eat all the time. They eat more processed food instead of making it themselves. They buy big clothes and cars. They stay in more to consume media and entertainment.

That is why you see the campaigns encouraging people to embrace and celebrate being fat even though it is horribly unhealthy.

Overweight people are the worst employees. They drive up cost through increased healthcare utilization and increased high cost utilization. They have more unplanned absences and are less productive.

But your post perfectly illustrates the lack of accountability. “It’s the corporations fault”.

Our healthcare issue will never be resolved with the blame game you’re playing.

[Corporal Lance]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Please continue. I'm open.

I have a carryover issue with certain posters here stemming from a previous thread. It's unlikely to be resolved amicably.

Globalism versus Nationalism.

I think it would be unfair to you to ask you to go first, after I picked the topic, so I will reply in a hopefully short paragraph or two.

I think there is a swing of the pendulum towards Nationalism, and I don't mind it. I don't see Nationalism as far-right, nazi, or any of that. I see it as love of country. I've lived in 5 countries, and was evacuated from Beirut in 1980, so my perception is what it is.

I think America has carried the world on its' shoulders for far too long. Everyone else's standard of living has gone up, and ours has gone down. I don't like this.

T

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

Pro tip, just consider that pretty much every major political figurehead has broken or at least bent the rules. It sucks but it is what it is. Trump has done plenty himself. He is by far not a saint.

There is no doubt that as a businessman President Trump operates in gray areas and would let courts figure it out when challenged. That is much different than all of the establishment politicians that have enriched themselves by selling political favors like McConnell, Pelosi, etc.

Biden seems to be knee deep in the muck. Why is it a good idea to elect a President controlled by the corrupted political
establishment?

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Over-consumption has been a driving force in our economy for decades.
How can this be corrected without a large-scale reform in consumerism?

Good question.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

I think inequality (both fiscal and racial) and mental illness is what you're seeing. Movies like Get Out, Us, and The Platform showcase inequality. Invisible Man and even the new Halloween showcase how living with trauma can really affect you and your psyche.

That's just my two cents.

I'd say those thoughts are worth at least a nickle.

If I were to add something, it feels like maybe we're living in a time where we no longer accept any single interpretation of a monster (or anything really). For example, with the growing trans movement I was curious as to whether that would encourage or discourage directors from "body horror" films. It seems like both according to this article, and largely due to the fact that different groups readily find and champion whatever already fits their view. So while the trans crowd finds such narratives of someone being in the wrong body to be empowering, the anti-trans crowd comes away with the exact opposite interpretation.

In other words, because we can no longer control narratives, we can no longer control out monsters. Which leads to us wondering whether they're monsters at all and we end up just drifting from film to film looking for something entertaining and rarely finding anything truly horrifying.

Maybe we'll get some twists on the alien genre is these Pentagon/NYT stories keep coming.

Originally Posted by free2131

I think he wants good things for Donald Trump and to make people fawn and heap praise on Donald Trump. If that happens to be good for the nation, then that's just coincidence. I would be shocked if he didn't have Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

I'm not a member of the "eat the rich" crowd, but I would be fascinated to the results of having every billionaire undo a psychological evaluation. Just to see what patterns emerge.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Over-consumption has been a driving force in our economy for decades.
How can this be corrected without a large-scale reform in consumerism?

Hey Jojo.

I’m glad you showed up. I found another post to add to your cognitive dissonance case study

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...ostcount=31868

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

I think inequality (both fiscal and racial) and mental illness is what you're seeing. Movies like Get Out, Us, and The Platform showcase inequality. Invisible Man and even the new Halloween showcase how living with trauma can really affect you and your psyche.

That's just my two cents.

The Joker in his various recent iterations, and the ensuing trend of this character becoming manipulated into a cult figure in the American psyche is deeply concerning.

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Overweight people are the worst employees. They drive up cost through increased healthcare utilization and increased high cost utilization. They have more unplanned absences and are less productive.

But your post perfectly illustrates the lack of accountability. “It’s the corporations fault”.

Our healthcare issue will never be resolved with the blame game you’re playing.

The reality is that people are fairly easily influenced. That is why corporations spend so much money on marketing and advertising. Fat shaming was effective, now it is verboten.

I agree with you about personal responsibility though.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Corporal Lance

Globalism versus Nationalism.

I think it would be unfair to you to ask you to go first, after I picked the topic, so I will reply in a hopefully short paragraph or two.

I think there is a swing of the pendulum towards Nationalism, and I don't mind it. I don't see Nationalism as far-right, nazi, or any of that. I see it as love of country. I've lived in 5 countries, and was evacuated from Beirut in 1980, so my perception is what it is.

I think America has carried the world on its' shoulders for far too long. Everyone else's standard of living has gone up, and ours has gone down. I don't like this.

T

Thanks for the clarification.
With regardless to our consumption of low-grade, low-cost Chinese imports at the expense of quality, environmentalism & American workers, I see where there is a major issue in need of addressing.
How do you believe our quality of living can be improved economically in regards to the many sectors where there will be difficulty reestablishing jobs lost to outsourcing?

How do you believe our post-WWII Imperialist actions are greatly affecting Americans quality of life in 2020?

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by tpeichel34

The reality is that people are fairly easily influenced. That is why corporations spend so much money on marketing and advertising. Fat shaming was effective, now it is verboten.

I agree with you about personal responsibility though.

Shaming is wholly ineffective when it comes to changing adverse beehaviors. If it worked, there would be less than 10% obesity rate and no opioid epidemic.

With no buy in for personal accountability to healthcare, costs will continue to rise as people do little to nothing to effect the ridiculous amount of lifestyle related disease prevalent in our society.

[free2131]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

II'm not a member of the "eat the rich" crowd, but I would be fascinated to the results of having every billionaire undo a psychological evaluation. Just to see what patterns emerge.

I've read that CEOs have higher rates of psychopathy than the general population, so I would assume that would be the case with something like NPD.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Shaming is wholly ineffective when it comes to changing adverse beehaviors. If it worked, there would be less than 10% obesity rate and no opioid epidemic.

With no buy in for personal accountability to healthcare, costs will continue to rise as people do little to nothing to effect the ridiculous amount of lifestyle related disease prevalent in our society.

I’ve long been for paying people to remain at a BMI of _______.

Cheap solution that holds the person accountable.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

I’ve long been for paying people to remain at a BMI of _______.

Cheap solution that holds the person accountable.

BMI has been debunked as an ineffectual, and largely inconsequential way of measuring health beyond extremes.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

I’ve long been for paying people to remain at a BMI of _______.

Cheap solution that holds the person accountable.

Forget BMI GeechQuest. When you are reading a patient’s clinical notes and you hit “massively obese”, you know things are out of hand.

Or my favorite pulmonary diagnosis, hypoventilation syndrome secondary to obese body habitus, aka too fat to breathe.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by tpeichel34

There is no doubt that as a businessman President Trump operates in gray areas and would let courts figure it out when challenged. That is much different than all of the establishment politicians that have enriched themselves by selling political favors like McConnell, Pelosi, etc.

Biden seems to be knee deep in the muck. Why is it a good idea to elect a President controlled by the corrupted political
establishment?

I don't think Biden is a good idea but he's a more capable candidate than Trump. We have four years on Trump now and it's not good. He ran as an outsider with a campaign slogan of "Make America Great Again!" Now he's running as an insider with a campaign slogan of "Make America Great Again!" Dude, what have you been doing for four years? His campaign couldn't even adapt their slogan to better fit the fact he's been running the show for four years, two of which where GOP control of the House and Senate. He got a tax cut for rich folks and corporations, what else are his signature bills?

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

BMI has been debunked as an ineffectual, and largely inconsequential way of measuring health beyond extremes.

This is correct.

[ld8759]

[QUOTE=rman112;16261852]Did you really believe that?[/QUOTE


No,but I don't see that many posts in favor of getting rid of him.

[Boo]

North Korea has miniature nukes now. Who do you want, unhinged Trump or Biden who might press the button because he thinks it's the TV remote.