2019-2020 Panini Donruss Optic Basketball Premium Set

[IndyKMB]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

What do you consider market value? I honestly think Eagles sell is literally the peak unless Zion goes full LeBron on the league.

Right now, $2300-2400.

Highest I’ve gotten is $2100 (Despite higher eBay sales) and I’d be better off selling to BO at less risk than accept that offer.

The $700 offer was a ridiculous offer from an experienced eBayer, which was disappointing. On the heels of two selling at close to 2400, how do you send that to a seller and expect any response? Luckily it was auto-declined so I did not have to respond to it.

Currently dealing with a buyer that offered 2100 and I countered at 2350, which he let expire. Then, a week later, he sends another offer...2050. I really don’t know what some people are thinking.

[IndyKMB]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

I have one listed on eBay too. Had a $2100 offer but couldn’t sell that low.

I guess we’re competing with each other haha.

True, but it looks like we are on the same page. You probably have yours listed at the same price as I do, and you are valuing it in the same range as I am. So I’m not worried you’ll accept a lower offer. Hell, you probably declined the same offers from the same buyers.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by IndyKMB

True, but it looks like we are on the same page. You probably have yours listed at the same price as I do, and you are valuing it in the same range as I am. So I’m not worried you’ll accept a lower offer. Hell, you probably declined the same offers from the same buyers.

Most definitely. I value it at a minimum of $2400, and even then, I’m not sure if I’d be willing to accept such an eBay offer.

My auto-reject is higher than yours so I haven’t even countered yet. I get messages every few days about it so I know there’s interest in it (probably the same buyers have reached out to you too).

In no way am I in a rush to sell. Best of luck with selling! I might actually end my listing on it soon (I listed a bunch of stuff, including some “touchable” PC items because I needed some extra cash to make some plays but I’m finally getting back to a good point), and that should only give you a little more leverage haha

[Dukeboy73]

I've had mine listed for $2200 on myslabs for over a month with no takers.

[IndyKMB]

SOLD @ $2499 and immediate payment received.
Hope everything else goes smoothly on this!

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by IndyKMB

SOLD @ $2499 and immediate payment received.
Hope everything else goes smoothly on this!

Grats, never nice sale.

[tolrobb]

Originally Posted by IndyKMB

SOLD @ $2499 and immediate payment received.
Hope everything else goes smoothly on this!

oh no! that's the one with a Zion in it!

[jrnelson]

Originally Posted by IndyKMB

SOLD @ $2499 and immediate payment received.
Hope everything else goes smoothly on this!

Great for you!

I still think these are a long hold with so much upside.

[spacejammer]

got offered $2500 for mine on ebay. had 1000+ feedback. but im still not sure i want to sell lol

[Spacemanspif]

Originally Posted by spacejammer

got offered $2500 for mine on ebay. had 1000+ feedback. but im still not sure i want to sell lol

yeah at current prices it's better to just rip and see if you get a good auto

Non-auto Zion 10 gets you $1600+, 9.5 $1k+, worst case scenario $600?

Let's say you average a BGS 9.5 since these cards were pretty sharp out of the box, the only thing that varies is centering

Zion $1k
Ja $500
Lebron $400
Coby $200
Luka $150

That's like $2k+ right there, unless you get real unlucky with centering or print issues. Add in a 1/12 chance at Zion or Ja auto, and I THINK I JUST CONVINCED MYSELF TO OPEN THE REST

[tolrobb]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

yeah at current prices it's better to just rip and see if you get a good auto

Non-auto Zion 10 gets you $1600+, 9.5 $1k+, worst case scenario $600?

Let's say you average a BGS 9.5 since these cards were pretty sharp out of the box, the only thing that varies is centering

Zion $1k
Ja $500
Lebron $400
Coby $200
Luka $150

That's like $2k+ right there, unless you get real unlucky with centering or print issues. Add in a 1/12 chance at Zion or Ja auto, and I THINK I JUST CONVINCED MYSELF TO OPEN THE REST

Do it, do it, do it!

[eastbayak]

Had a local buyer who offered $2500 cash for a sealed box but kept flaking out on picking up (not sure it's the wisest thing to do given that he sent me a picture of his driver's license).

In any case, turned out to be a blessing. I relisted and received a $2500 and a $2800 eBay offer (different individuals too).

I almost pulled the trigger on selling to the latter offer but ultimately decided to end the listing and hold the box a little longer (maybe forever). There just seems to be more interested buyers (demand) than available sealed boxes (supply). Also works out because I wanted to own at least 1 "decent" Zion RC and I can delay that process but keeping the box haha.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

Had a local buyer who offered $2500 cash for a sealed box but kept flaking out on picking up (not sure it's the wisest thing to do given that he sent me a picture of his driver's license).

In any case, turned out to be a blessing. I relisted and received a $2500 and a $2800 eBay offer (different individuals too).

I almost pulled the trigger on selling to the latter offer but ultimately decided to end the listing and hold the box a little longer (maybe forever). There just seems to be more interested buyers (demand) than available sealed boxes (supply). Also works out because I wanted to own at least 1 "decent" Zion RC and I can delay that process but keeping the box haha.

Don't sell. I sold for $2500 direct a few weeks ago and already regretting it. These sealed 19-20 factory sets are gold. Will most likely continue trending up until the start of next season.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Don't sell. I sold for $2500 direct a few weeks ago and already regretting it. These sealed 19-20 factory sets are gold. Will most likely continue trending up until the start of next season.

Thanks for sharing, ninja. Can I ask you why you decided to sell?

For me, the reason I want to sell is also the reason I want to hold: Zion.

We all know he's a beast but I'm concerned if his knees will actually hold up. There's a lot of uncertainty regarding it so it's a pretty risky "hold" play. Because it's a set with other rookies and vets, I'm not worried about making my money back. But if Zion's knees don't hold up, I'll regret not taking advantage of the opportunity to sell, make some decent profit, and pick up some "free" LeBron/Curry cards. Then again, I'll regret selling if Zion's knees do hold up haha.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

Thanks for sharing, ninja. Can I ask you why you decided to sell?

For me, the reason I want to sell is also the reason I want to hold: Zion.

We all know he's a beast but I'm concerned if his knees will actually hold up. There's a lot of uncertainty regarding it so it's a pretty risky "hold" play. Because it's a set with other rookies and vets, I'm not worried about making my money back. But if Zion's knees don't hold up, I'll regret not taking advantage of the opportunity to sell, make some decent profit, and pick up some "free" LeBron/Curry cards. Then again, I'll regret selling if Zion's knees do hold up haha.

I feel ya. I sold because I wanted to put money into some other stuff and clear some space. But I really didn't need to, and now I'm regretting it.


These are so much more than Zion. You also have Ja, Clarke, Rui, Bron, Luka....and several other key players still with playoff upside. The numbers available appear to keep dropping. I'm guessing most are either ripping or keeping them stored.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

I feel ya. I sold because I wanted to put money into some other stuff and clear some space. But I really didn't need to, and now I'm regretting it.


These are so much more than Zion. You also have Ja, Clarke, Rui, Bron, Luka....and several other key players still with playoff upside. The numbers available appear to keep dropping. I'm guessing most are either ripping or keeping them stored.

I appreciate you for sharing, ninja. Yeah, I'm pretty much in your exact shoes.

I know there's other rookies/vets in the set but they don't seem to sell for much (although, maybe over time, that'll change for the better). But you're right in that the number of sealed boxes available appears to be dropping so that's a good reason to hold.

I suppose I can just tell/convince myself that my stimulus check paid for the set haha.

[Spacemanspif]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

I appreciate you for sharing, ninja. Yeah, I'm pretty much in your exact shoes.

I know there's other rookies/vets in the set but they don't seem to sell for much (although, maybe over time, that'll change for the better). But you're right in that the number of sealed boxes available appears to be dropping so that's a good reason to hold.

I suppose I can just tell/convince myself that my stimulus check paid for the set haha.

So I ripped all mine, partially because I wanted to see what the Autos were, and partially because the offers we're getting are based on the prices of cards as Raw / 9. But from opening these, we know they have really nice edges and corners, and very few surface defects so I think they're worth more opened and graded.

I'm about to grade my 3 sets I kept, and my feeling is the majority will score 9.5 or better. For arguments sake, let's say for each player I get 1x 10, 1x 9.5, 1x 9. Here's what I expect as payout, based either on last sale or Holo pricing because they've been pretty much similar as far as I can tell

Zion: 2200 / 1100 / 700 = 4000
Ja: 1600 / 800 / 400 = 2800
LeBron: 800 / 400 / 200 = 1400
Coby: 360 / 180 / 90 = 630
RJ: 240 / 120 / 60 = 420
Luka: 400 / 200 / 100 = 700
Rui: 160 / 80 / 40 = 280
Nunn: 160 / 80 / 40 = 280
Giannis: 160 / 80 / 40 = 280
Reddish: 240 / 120 / 60 = 420

Total of those top 10 guys is $11,210, which comes out to $3736 per set. Of course we can't exactly predict the grading distribution or end pricing but I'm pretty confident I'd at least average that, and that my numbers are in the right ballpark. Yes there are grading fees, but there's also 1) upside in better grades than a 1:1:1 ratio, and 2) more guys you can/should grade and 3) scrubs you can sell in lots and make back a few hundred bucks.

Also, someone just sold a raw Ja auto for $3000. I never even got an offer that high for my PSA 10 lol, but that had me go push my price up because it was sitting there at $6k BIN OBO for the longest time, and if a raw is $3k my PSA 10 should be worth at least double that. Zion Auto PSA 10 is up on PWCC so we'll see what the implied value of the autos are as well.

I think it's fine to sit on it, but I don't think any buyer is going to want to do the math I just laid out and pay you properly. TBH I am going to be ramping up my selling into this hot market, if I can get myself to a point of "free and clear" while holding on to all my blue chips and PC items, I'm not going to have any regrets.

[Spacemanspif]

Does anyone have any of these left sealed?

[Giannis34fan]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

Does anyone have any of these left sealed?

I never had the chance to buy these when they first came out... they were gone in a flash! lol

How much do they go for now? $2500 a sealed set?

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

So I ripped all mine, partially because I wanted to see what the Autos were, and partially because the offers we're getting are based on the prices of cards as Raw / 9. But from opening these, we know they have really nice edges and corners, and very few surface defects so I think they're worth more opened and graded.

I'm about to grade my 3 sets I kept, and my feeling is the majority will score 9.5 or better. For arguments sake, let's say for each player I get 1x 10, 1x 9.5, 1x 9. Here's what I expect as payout, based either on last sale or Holo pricing because they've been pretty much similar as far as I can tell

Zion: 2200 / 1100 / 700 = 4000
Ja: 1600 / 800 / 400 = 2800
LeBron: 800 / 400 / 200 = 1400
Coby: 360 / 180 / 90 = 630
RJ: 240 / 120 / 60 = 420
Luka: 400 / 200 / 100 = 700
Rui: 160 / 80 / 40 = 280
Nunn: 160 / 80 / 40 = 280
Giannis: 160 / 80 / 40 = 280
Reddish: 240 / 120 / 60 = 420

Total of those top 10 guys is $11,210, which comes out to $3736 per set. Of course we can't exactly predict the grading distribution or end pricing but I'm pretty confident I'd at least average that, and that my numbers are in the right ballpark. Yes there are grading fees, but there's also 1) upside in better grades than a 1:1:1 ratio, and 2) more guys you can/should grade and 3) scrubs you can sell in lots and make back a few hundred bucks.

Also, someone just sold a raw Ja auto for $3000. I never even got an offer that high for my PSA 10 lol, but that had me go push my price up because it was sitting there at $6k BIN OBO for the longest time, and if a raw is $3k my PSA 10 should be worth at least double that. Zion Auto PSA 10 is up on PWCC so we'll see what the implied value of the autos are as well.

I think it's fine to sit on it, but I don't think any buyer is going to want to do the math I just laid out and pay you properly. TBH I am going to be ramping up my selling into this hot market, if I can get myself to a point of "free and clear" while holding on to all my blue chips and PC items, I'm not going to have any regrets.

Thank you for sharing all of the above.

I agree with you that not many are willing to do the math and pay one properly. If piecing it out weren't so tedious and time-consuming, I'd consider going that route too. But I'm too lazy haha. Hope you have some awesome sales and let me know what you get to keep for free too.

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

Does anyone have any of these left sealed?

I still have mine (one).

Originally Posted by Giannis34fan

I never had the chance to buy these when they first came out... they were gone in a flash! lol

How much do they go for now? $2500 a sealed set?

A week or two ago, when I had mine listed, I received an offer as high as $2800 via eBay.

[ksp6687]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

Does anyone have any of these left sealed?

I do

Honestly keep forgetting I have one. Prob for the best lmao

[DALLASTILL]

I have a set sealed, thanks for sharing the breakdown.

[Spacemanspif]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

T


I still have mine (one).



A week or two ago, when I had mine listed, I received an offer as high as $2800 via eBay.

Originally Posted by ksp6687

I do

Honestly keep forgetting I have one. Prob for the best lmao

Originally Posted by DALLASTILL

I have a set sealed, thanks for sharing the breakdown.

I'm willing to put in the work if anyone wants to sell to me

[Asian62150]

BO offer is $2400

[tolrobb]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

BO offer is $2400

still too low, these are probably never going down. the class would have to completely flame out for them to ever go down.