2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

I think Geech said he was voting for Trump, but yes he is a great moderate representative for this thread

I’d argue Donald Trump is further left than Joe Biden.

If the election came down to feelings, and for the majority it does, Joe Biden feels better.

Joe Biden represents a lot of things I despise and has taken stances that I actually think are a greater danger to this country then the stances Donald Trump has taken. I pretty much would have voted for any democratic candidate over Biden (probably not Bloomberg). When you add in the fact that Joe Biden has obviously lost some mental faculties (not his fault) I don’t understand how any reasonable person thinks that Biden is a good representation of the Presidency.

Almost the same arguments made against Trump stand for Biden as well.

Since no politician represents my views completely, I’m going to have to side with Trump as the lesser of the two evils. Not because Joe Biden is some far-left extremist or will do the bidding of the “marxists”, but because Joe Biden does not represent the working class who I feel like make up the majority of the country and are completely under represented at the Federal level.

Donald Trump has no more political capital. He’s a lame duck right now and I’d rather stall for 4 years under Trump over having another politician who is bought and paid for. Donald Trump is a lot of things, but he is not bought by big interests. There’s a reason Biden is out raising Donald Trump right now, and it’s not because of that fake BLM money.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

** raises both hands **

Have you seen the racism pyramid? The only way you're not racist in 2020 is if you're in a coma.

I'm white and can't stand white people for certain things that I think are white behaviors, like beer snobbery and addiction to heroin, so of course I have a level of disdain for all other races for things that I can't stand them for. I don't know if any of you have heard of Kensington, but it's an area of Philadelphia that legit looks like the walking dead film set... I might've seen one, maybe two black heroin junkies, and they might've just been really tired or off balance that day. They're like unicorns. I seented thousands of white heroin junkies in Kensington, though.

I think it's super cute how we all pretend that there's no racial bias when we talk about this stuff with others in public, but most stereotypes aren't imagined. White men can't jump... RACISM!

In Jopeal's mind, the majority of this thread meets together at our local Klan meeting to discuss life, and such.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

I’d argue Donald Trump is further left than Joe Biden.

If the election came down to feelings, and for the majority it does, Joe Biden feels better.

Joe Biden represents a lot of things I despise and has taken stances that I actually think are a greater danger to this country then the stances Donald Trump has taken. I pretty much would have voted for any democratic candidate over Biden (probably not Bloomberg). When you add in the fact that Joe Biden has obviously lost some mental faculties (not his fault) I don’t understand how any reasonable person thinks that Biden is a good representation of the Presidency.

Almost the same arguments made against Trump stand for Biden as well.

Since no politician represents my views completely, I’m going to have to side with Trump as the lesser of the two evils. Not because Joe Biden is some far-left extremist or will do the bidding of the “marxists”, but because Joe Biden does not represent the working class who I feel like make up the majority of the country and are completely under represented at the Federal level.

Donald Trump has no more political capital. He’s a lame duck right now and I’d rather stall for 4 years under Trump over having another politician who is bought and paid for. Donald Trump is a lot of things, but he is not bought by big interests. There’s a reason Biden is out raising Donald Trump right now, and it’s not because of that fake BLM money.

Also, don't let any of the earlier posts get to your head. No one really likes you ..

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by rman112

In Jopeal's mind, the majority of this thread meets together at our local Klan meeting to discuss life, and such.

I was told on here I’m the grand wizard of the kkk. Trying to remember who said that though.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

** raises both hands **

Have you seen the racism pyramid? The only way you're not racist in 2020 is if you're in a coma.

I'm white and can't stand white people for certain things that I think are white behaviors, like beer snobbery and addiction to heroin, so of course I have a level of disdain for all other races for things that I can't stand them for. I don't know if any of you have heard of Kensington, but it's an area of Philadelphia that legit looks like the walking dead film set... I might've seen one, maybe two black heroin junkies, and they might've just been really tired or off balance that day. They're like unicorns. I seented thousands of white heroin junkies in Kensington, though.

I think it's super cute how we all pretend that there's no racial bias when we talk about this stuff with others in public, but most stereotypes aren't imagined. White men can't jump... RACISM!

Bias is a survival tool.
It can be dangerous if not tempered but it has a place.

When I spent a month in southern Mexico, there were times I was riding through Pedernales or Tacambaro in the back of a truck and it was like I was on display. Very store owner and patron would walk out and look. I called it “Gringo on Parade”. And of course very thing thought I was rich, but I was just a poor white college kid living off bags of pasta and jars of sauce.

Bias does not equal racism, though. It’s not even close, no matter how many want to twist it into that. It’s about assumptions based on experience or lack of. We should seek to understand our own as well as others.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

I was told on here I’m the grand wizard of the kkk. Trying to remember who said that though.

LoveIt.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by rman112

LoveIt.

No he’s long gone. It was recent. Might of been in this thread or the virus thread. So many likely candidates though.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by rman112

Also, don't let any of the earlier posts get to your hand. No one really likes you ..

That’s fine with me! I hate you all as well!

[rman112]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

That’s fine with me! I hate you all as well!

That's the spirit!

[Onions]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

I’d argue Donald Trump is further left than Joe Biden.

If the election came down to feelings, and for the majority it does, Joe Biden feels better.

Joe Biden represents a lot of things I despise and has taken stances that I actually think are a greater danger to this country then the stances Donald Trump has taken. I pretty much would have voted for any democratic candidate over Biden (probably not Bloomberg). When you add in the fact that Joe Biden has obviously lost some mental faculties (not his fault) I don’t understand how any reasonable person thinks that Biden is a good representation of the Presidency.

Almost the same arguments made against Trump stand for Biden as well.

Since no politician represents my views completely, I’m going to have to side with Trump as the lesser of the two evils. Not because Joe Biden is some far-left extremist or will do the bidding of the “marxists”, but because Joe Biden does not represent the working class who I feel like make up the majority of the country and are completely under represented at the Federal level.

Donald Trump has no more political capital. He’s a lame duck right now and I’d rather stall for 4 years under Trump over having another politician who is bought and paid for. Donald Trump is a lot of things, but he is not bought by big interests. There’s a reason Biden is out raising Donald Trump right now, and it’s not because of that fake BLM money.

I agree with a lot of this. Trump is his own political animal. The establishment on both sides absolutely hate him because an outsider gained the presidency and they have lost control. Both sides of the establishment are perfectly happy trading election victories every few years as long as most of them can keep their jobs in the process. Trump blew the covers off of them. He is too unpredictable to play the game of politics with. This 3.5 year hissy fit is the result.

Trump lost the money battle with Hillary in 2016 by almost a 2 to 1 margin. The big money hates Trump for the same reasons the establishment does.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

I’d argue Donald Trump is further left than Joe Biden.

If the election came down to feelings, and for the majority it does, Joe Biden feels better.

Joe Biden represents a lot of things I despise and has taken stances that I actually think are a greater danger to this country then the stances Donald Trump has taken. I pretty much would have voted for any democratic candidate over Biden (probably not Bloomberg). When you add in the fact that Joe Biden has obviously lost some mental faculties (not his fault) I don’t understand how any reasonable person thinks that Biden is a good representation of the Presidency.

Almost the same arguments made against Trump stand for Biden as well.

Since no politician represents my views completely, I’m going to have to side with Trump as the lesser of the two evils. Not because Joe Biden is some far-left extremist or will do the bidding of the “marxists”, but because Joe Biden does not represent the working class who I feel like make up the majority of the country and are completely under represented at the Federal level.

Donald Trump has no more political capital. He’s a lame duck right now and I’d rather stall for 4 years under Trump over having another politician who is bought and paid for. Donald Trump is a lot of things, but he is not bought by big interests. There’s a reason Biden is out raising Donald Trump right now, and it’s not because of that fake BLM money.

100% agree with you except for this.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

[/B]



100% agree with you except for this.

Don’t confuse Donald Trump with Republicans in the House and Senate.

That BIG money does not flow to Trump. That’s not to say he hasn’t passed legislation that disproportionately has helped big business (tax cuts), but comparatively it’s no where close to what we’re used to.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

I’d argue Donald Trump is further left than Joe Biden.

If the election came down to feelings, and for the majority it does, Joe Biden feels better.

Joe Biden represents a lot of things I despise and has taken stances that I actually think are a greater danger to this country then the stances Donald Trump has taken. I pretty much would have voted for any democratic candidate over Biden (probably not Bloomberg). When you add in the fact that Joe Biden has obviously lost some mental faculties (not his fault) I don’t understand how any reasonable person thinks that Biden is a good representation of the Presidency.

Almost the same arguments made against Trump stand for Biden as well.

Since no politician represents my views completely, I’m going to have to side with Trump as the lesser of the two evils. Not because Joe Biden is some far-left extremist or will do the bidding of the “marxists”, but because Joe Biden does not represent the working class who I feel like make up the majority of the country and are completely under represented at the Federal level.

Donald Trump has no more political capital. He’s a lame duck right now and I’d rather stall for 4 years under Trump over having another politician who is bought and paid for. Donald Trump is a lot of things, but he is not bought by big interests. There’s a reason Biden is out raising Donald Trump right now, and it’s not because of that fake BLM money.

I feel the same about your initial bolded statement and am surely not here to defend Biden or the Democratic establishment.

The second bolded point you made is important as it seems there are many people who have no concept of the values, both historically and currently, that Biden stands for. He is about as far from being "left" as an Democratic candidate I can think of and a terrible representation of political progress in the country. Despite the Democratic party entertaining so many presidential hopefuls, to end up with Biden as the candidate is surely an indictment on the party & the media.

That said, after seeing the disarray the U.S. has experienced the last few months between Covid response & civil uprisings, combined with Trump's inability to provide any semblance of diplomatic leadership during this trying time, I'd rather give the floor back to the Democratic establishment.

The ways I've seen the president pander to only his camp and continue to disseminate unfiltered misinformation is troubling. I feel another term for Trump will inevitably lead to further social unrest and a worse outcome than even an incompetent, old corporatist candidate could provide.

If the Covid outbreak had not occurred and dismantled our country, I'd perhaps feel more indifferent to Trump's divisive presidency.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by Onions

I agree with a lot of this. Trump is his own political animal. The establishment on both sides absolutely hate him because an outsider gained the presidency and they have lost control. Both sides of the establishment are perfectly happy trading election victories every few years as long as most of them can keep their jobs in the process. Trump blew the covers off of them. He is too unpredictable to play the game of politics with. This 3.5 year hissy fit is the result.

Trump lost the money battle with Hillary in 2016 by almost a 2 to 1 margin. The big money hates Trump for the same reasons the establishment does.

The big money hates Trump because what's the use of all the money in the world if that world is a diseased smoking ruin? Trump is half-way to delivering exactly that with his rare blend of corruption and incompetence which has been co-opted by more savvy opportunists that understand Trump is a "useful idiot" the likes of which America has never seen before.

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Since no politician represents my views completely, I’m going to have to side with Trump as the lesser of the two evils. Not because Joe Biden is some far-left extremist or will do the bidding of the “marxists”, but because Joe Biden does not represent the working class who I feel like make up the majority of the country and are completely under represented at the Federal level.

Donald Trump has no more political capital. He’s a lame duck right now and I’d rather stall for 4 years under Trump over having another politician who is bought and paid for. Donald Trump is a lot of things, but he is not bought by big interests. There’s a reason Biden is out raising Donald Trump right now, and it’s not because of that fake BLM money.

The bolded is an outright impossibility.

As for Trump's political capital, he'd get more with re-election.
With what he gained with his re-election, George W. Bush tried to get rid of social security, before he was defeated on that, and made a lame duck only at that point. What do you suppose an emboldened Trump (and his various manipulators) might try?
Best to not find out.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Don’t confuse Donald Trump with Republicans in the House and Senate.

That BIG money does not flow to Trump. That’s not to say he hasn’t passed legislation that disproportionately has helped big business (tax cuts), but comparatively it’s no where close to what we’re used to.

Not confusing that at all.

And I'm not talking about all the big business tax cuts, that's typical for both parties.


I'm talking about opening up the public lands and national parks to the mining/oil/gas interests. Surely, potential billions could be at stake, especially in Alaska. What's behind this push? Something tells me there's more to the story.




As far as donor dollars: Hasn't trump lost several powerful traditional republican mega donors?

Despite this, Biden has HUGE money behind him gunning for this election. It makes me laugh how people on these boards say he's such a leftist. He's probably the MOST right leaning democrat in years.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

Not confusing that at all.

And I'm not talking about all the big business tax cuts, that's typical for both parties.


I'm talking about opening up the public lands and national parks to the mining/oil/gas interests. Surely, potential billions could be at stake, especially in Alaska. What's behind this push? Something tells me there's more to the story.




As far as donor dollars: Hasn't trump lost several powerful traditional republican mega donors?

Despite this, Biden has HUGE money behind him gunning for this election. It makes me laugh how people on these boards say he's such a leftist. He's probably the MOST right leaning democrat in years.

Add to that his withdrawal from the Paris Climate Agreement.
Great, more environmental deregulation.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Add to that his withdrawal from the Paris Climate Agreement.
Great, more environmental deregulation.

Paris Accord would've been a massive waste of money.

Who are the racists?

[jk1937]

if it was biden from 4 years ago i would vote for him in a second. i just think he seems like hes losing his wits. stumbling over almost everything he says. combine that with the turmoil in the country that a lot of the democrats refuse to acknowledge, and the crazy cancel culture/hypocrisy and i'm leaning to not voting or towards trump. not because of trump, but more as a vote against the other side.

[DegaBama]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...le-2020-21-too

Makes sense. No vaccine so can't do anything normal.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Add to that his withdrawal from the Paris Climate Agreement.
Great, more environmental deregulation.

I haven't researched enough to offer an opinion on the Paris Climate Agreement Jopeal, but I'm not a fan of allowing gas/oil/mining interests on national park lands.

[Onions]

Originally Posted by jdandns

The big money hates Trump because what's the use of all the money in the world if that world is a diseased smoking ruin? Trump is half-way to delivering exactly that with his rare blend of corruption and incompetence which has been co-opted by more savvy opportunists that understand Trump is a "useful idiot" the likes of which America has never seen before.

If he was as useful an idiot as you suggest. Big money would be pouring into his campaign to reap the benefits of an easily influenced "idiot" running the country. The likes of which we have never seen. Including the lady Clinton, who was largely selling political influence to fund her bizarrely ineffective campaign.

You actually have the wrong useful idiot, that would be Biden. Whoever is going to actually be in charge under a potential Biden presidency is basically running an influence auction house right now. It is something to behold.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...le-2020-21-too

Makes sense. No vaccine so can't do anything normal.

If it's November 5th, and there is still no vaccine, and the national sentiment changes to, "Eh, maybe we don't need to quarantine that much..", I am going to be massively frustrated

[Onions]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

I haven't researched enough to offer an opinion on the Paris Climate Agreement Jopeal, but I'm not a fan of allowing gas/oil/mining interests on national park lands.

Agreed. We have enough oil in states like ND that we can leave these places alone. It will always be there and when/if we really need to go get it, we can. We have shifted the pendulum so far that oil producing countries are conspiring to flood the market with oil to bankrupt shale operations.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

I haven't researched enough to offer an opinion on the Paris Climate Agreement Jopeal, but I'm not a fan of allowing gas/oil/mining interests on national park lands.

For sure. Our national parks are one the greatest environmental assets we have as a country & a genius stroke from President Roosevelt.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by rman112

Paris Accord would've been a massive waste of money.

Who are the racists?

Yeah when do we get the list?