Which cards are only going down? Anti hype thread

[tyrith]

While most rookies are going to go down, I at least see some theoretical chance for appreciation for Coby White and Ja Morant. For Coby White that would be making an All-NBA team or multiple All Star teams; for Ja Morant that would mean multiple All-NBA first teams/top 3 MVP appearances/Finals MVP, and those both seem at least theoretically possible. Ja has some vague chance of being the best offensive player in the league for a few years. Whereas with RJ Barrett and Tyler Herro I just don't see any way their performance will ever justify their current prices (or at least it's like a 1% scenario.)

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by Looking4Luka

Good luck. I buy LeBron. You can buy the 2nd fiddle.

Everyone buys LeBron just like everybody buys Luka. Of course they aren’t bad investments, they’re some of the safest buys out there, but the buy in on their good stuff is STEEP.

I have some of both, but I prefer to buy in on people/cards that have a lot of room for growth. AD checks those boxes for me in a very big way. Dude ain’t some might not hack it prospect, He’s a bona fide force. Just been stuck in a small market for too long like Lillard. I love getting steals on their stuff while everyone chases the latest trend. Future HOFs no doubt.

I know this will rattle some more cages, but Lillard is closer in ability to Curry than anyone really wants to admit, but he plays on the Blazers not the Warriors. Big difference between AD and Lillard from a hobby growth perspective is that a championship is much much closer for the big man.


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[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by tyrith

While most rookies are going to go down, I at least see some theoretical chance for appreciation for Coby White and Ja Morant. For Coby White that would be making an All-NBA team or multiple All Star teams; for Ja Morant that would mean multiple All-NBA first teams/top 3 MVP appearances/Finals MVP, and those both seem at least theoretically possible. Ja has some vague chance of being the best offensive player in the league for a few years. Whereas with RJ Barrett and Tyler Herro I just don't see any way their performance will ever justify their current prices (or at least it's like a 1% scenario.)

Ja definitely has potential to keep moving the needle. I wouldn’t say he’s can’t-miss, but the guy is electric and is making noise even in a small market like Memphis.


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[tyrith]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

Ja definitely has potential to keep moving the needle. I wouldn’t say he’s can’t-miss, but the guy is electric and is making noise even in a small market like Memphis.

Vague chance is me underselling it probably. There's also a chance that if Ja and JJJ both hit 75th percentile outcomes from here that Memphis has a real championship window for a few years.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

AD also is number 2 in Player Efficiency Rating in active players behind only LeBron James. His career totals in scoring are massive vs games played, he’s going to be passing some big names on the all time list when it’s all said and done. Blocks and rebounds totals are also quite impressive.

The dude is like Giannis, he’s just a physical force to be reckoned with. He’s always been a beast, the only difference is that now that he’s on the Lakers, his talent isn’t going to go unappreciated. His cards will do nothing but rise.


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AD is a beast, no doubt about it.


But the biggest (and what will always be the greatest) differenve between them is that Giannis is a point forward/center, while AD is an incredibly dynamic big.

Giannis brings the ball up the floor, calls plays, and runs the offense. AD still needs that general like LBJ, much in the way KAT does.

Both are incredibly, but Giannis is that once in a multi generational talent...and I think his prices reglect that.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

AD is a beast, no doubt about it.


But the biggest (and what will always be the greatest) differenve between them is that Giannis is a point forward/center, while AD is an incredibly dynamic big.

Giannis brings the ball up the floor, calls plays, and runs the offense. AD still needs that general like LBJ, much in the way KAT does.

Both are incredibly, but Giannis is that once in a multi generational talent...and I think his prices reglect that.

Ninja, I am forced to agree with you like usual. Giannis definitely creates for himself whereas AD isn’t ever going to be the point forward hybrid. However, I do think AD has a chance to go down as an all-time great and is going to be winning some more fans over now that he’s in front of more TV viewers. When he was in NO, he was just a stat line people saw scrolling past on the bottom of the TV. I’m crossing my fingers for a Lakers Bucks championship, that would be epic!


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[tyrith]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

Ninja, I am forced to agree with you like usual. Giannis definitely creates for himself whereas AD isn’t ever going to be the point forward hybrid. However, I do think AD has a chance to go down as an all-time great and is going to be winning some more fans over now that he’s in front of more TV viewers. When he was in NO, he was just a stat line people saw scrolling past on the bottom of the TV. I’m crossing my fingers for a Lakers Bucks championship, that would be epic!


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Unfortunately, I don't think we're ever really going to get to see if AD can be the best player on a championship team - a team that has 1-2 other All-Stars but where he's the best player. Maybe in a year or two LeBron will fit that role as he continues to age.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

Ninja, I am forced to agree with you like usual. Giannis definitely creates for himself whereas AD isn’t ever going to be the point forward hybrid. However, I do think AD has a chance to go down as an all-time great and is going to be winning some more fans over now that he’s in front of more TV viewers. When he was in NO, he was just a stat line people saw scrolling past on the bottom of the TV. I’m crossing my fingers for a Lakers Bucks championship, that would be epic!


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You're right on the money, brutha.


AD will absolutely go down as a great if he gest that title. His talent is off the charts.

I always cringe a bit when people use the 'but he didn't win anything in NO' jab...like, how much Pelicans basketball have they even watched?

The same squads where Jared freakin Cunningham was a full time starter. Yikes.

[tlm7995]

Originally Posted by tlm7995

Anthony Davis is my pick

He's constant injury risk and he hasn't won anything, but his cards have run up big during the COVID boredom and hype. The Lakers have lost 2 role players and an assistant coach and there are talks of Davis going to Miami if and when the Lakers don't win it all.

Davis is day-to-day with another different type of injury.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...ner-eye-injury

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

You're right on the money, brutha.


AD will absolutely go down as a great if he gest that title. His talent is off the charts.

I always cringe a bit when people use the 'but he didn't win anything in NO' jab...like, how much Pelicans basketball have they even watched?

The same squads where Jared freakin Cunningham was a full time starter. Yikes.

At the same time Ninja, great players turn franchises around. He's had plenty of squads that he should have had more success with. It's taken him a long time to actually realize he needs to win games, not just put up numbers.

The West is tougher also, but he should have more to show than one series win and what, 2 other Playoff appearances or something?

Another reason why I want to see Conferences disappear and they take the best 16 teams. Too many scrub East teams get to cash in and the get valuable Playoff experience when they have no right being there.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

At the same time Ninja, great players turn franchises around. He's had plenty of squads that he should have had more success with. It's taken him a long time to actually realize he needs to win games, not just put up numbers.

The West is tougher also, but he should have more to show than one series win and what, 2 other Playoff appearances or something?

Another reason why I want to see Conferences disappear and they take the best 16 teams. Too many scrub East teams get to cash in and the get valuable Playoff experience when they have no right being there.

So you mean to tell me the Lakers aren’t favorites to win the championship this year because of AD? Where were they last year in the playoffs? Not to mention he’s probably going to be 1st team all NBA this year. Dude is elite and a nightmare for opponents on both ends of the court. Ask King James, he will tell you how valuable AD is.


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[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

At the same time Ninja, great players turn franchises around. He's had plenty of squads that he should have had more success with. It's taken him a long time to actually realize he needs to win games, not just put up numbers.

The West is tougher also, but he should have more to show than one series win and what, 2 other Playoff appearances or something?

Another reason why I want to see Conferences disappear and they take the best 16 teams. Too many scrub East teams get to cash in and the get valuable Playoff experience when they have no right being there.

That's why I can't quite put him in the Giannis mold. Because Giannis is a point forward that can singlehandedly carry a franchise without a 1a type of player.

AD's absolutely a superstar, but I think his situation right now is perfect because he finally has that 1a guy to command the offense and truly compliment his skillset. Also, some of those Pelicans squads were absolute garbage. It pained me to watch them because of DFS.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

So you mean to tell me the Lakers aren’t favorites to win the championship this year because of AD? Where were they last year in the playoffs? Not to mention he’s probably going to be 1st team all NBA this year. Dude is elite and a nightmare for opponents on both ends of the court. Ask King James, he will tell you how valuable AD is.


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Comprehension is lacking here.

I've followed AD from the start. I know how good he is. He should have done a bit more at NO. Dude needs to learn to play through his broken fingernail issue that turns up almost every game, I think he's been a lot better with that this season.

My post was in no way saying he's not amazing. I would say his situation is a little like KG with the Wolves, who got an MVP and dragged that team to some solid seasons and peaked in a Conference Finals.

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

That's why I can't quite put him in the Giannis mold. Because Giannis is a point forward that can singlehandedly carry a franchise without a 1a type of player.

AD's absolutely a superstar, but I think his situation right now is perfect because he finally has that 1a guy to command the offense and truly compliment his skillset. Also, some of those Pelicans squads were absolute garbage. It pained me to watch them because of DFS.

I agree with pretty much all of this. I just think he had plenty of squads he should have done better with. Also, the way he just dogged it last season was poor.

I give him an incredible chance at Finals MVP if he wants it. And yes, I'm all in on the Lakers winning this season. And probably next. And maybe the next.

They will be very hard to stop. And AD is in his prime now. It's gonna be a crazy ride for them.

[Prince1Yashua]

Luka’s prices will go down. I can assure you.

He’s Tim Duncan priced like Lebron James.

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Bol Bol

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by Prince1Yashua

Luka’s prices will go down. I can assure you.

He’s Tim Duncan priced like Lebron James.

Shots fired.

I don't know man. His fanboys are already saying he doesn't have to even win a Playoff game to hold his prices.

But I do feel those Prizm prices are nuts and will settle down. Especially if we see an economic downturn.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Comprehension is lacking here.

I've followed AD from the start. I know how good he is. He should have done a bit more at NO. Dude needs to learn to play through his broken fingernail issue that turns up almost every game, I think he's been a lot better with that this season.

My post was in no way saying he's not amazing. I would say his situation is a little like KG with the Wolves, who got an MVP and dragged that team to some solid seasons and peaked in a Conference Finals.



I agree with pretty much all of this. I just think he had plenty of squads he should have done better with. Also, the way he just dogged it last season was poor.

I give him an incredible chance at Finals MVP if he wants it. And yes, I'm all in on the Lakers winning this season. And probably next. And maybe the next.

They will be very hard to stop. And AD is in his prime now. It's gonna be a crazy ride for them.

Yeah, some of those Pels squads should have been better, or at least had more playoff appearances. I guess that's the same rub people have against Trae, but my god will they at least give the kid more than a 1.8 year sample size before writing his net effect off as D Book Jr.? I was actually sorta hyped when Brow and Cousins started meshing since we hadn't seen that type of big man tandem on the same squad, then of course the basketball gods put an end to that story.


I'm personally riding with the Clips. But the Lakers are the 'gut' feel team, just because Bron's been there, done that so many times. But Kawhi ain't no slouch, and it's gonna be a treat watching them potentially guarding each other over a 5 game series.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Yeah, some of those Pels squads should have been better, or at least had more playoff appearances. I guess that's the same rub people have against Trae, but my god will they at least give the kid more than a 1.8 year sample size before writing his net effect off as D Book Jr.? I was actually sorta hyped when Brow and Cousins started meshing since we hadn't seen that type of big man tandem on the same squad, then of course the basketball gods put an end to that story.


I'm personally riding with the Clips. But the Lakers are the 'gut' feel team, just because Bron's been there, done that so many times. But Kawhi ain't no slouch, and it's gonna be a treat watching them potentially guarding each other over a 5 game series.

Oh you're right. I forgot how dominant those 2 were together. That squad was primed. Then it all fell apart.

AD still doesn't look quite ready to take the No. 1 spot on a team and lead it. I say it's Bron this season but next, it's all AD. Unless he shows out these Playoffs.

Giannis is just a straight bully/beast.

Kawhi would need to close games well again, I just think they're lacking a quality big.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Comprehension is lacking here.

I've followed AD from the start. I know how good he is. He should have done a bit more at NO. Dude needs to learn to play through his broken fingernail issue that turns up almost every game, I think he's been a lot better with that this season.

My post was in no way saying he's not amazing. I would say his situation is a little like KG with the Wolves, who got an MVP and dragged that team to some solid seasons and peaked in a Conference Finals.



I agree with pretty much all of this. I just think he had plenty of squads he should have done better with. Also, the way he just dogged it last season was poor.

I give him an incredible chance at Finals MVP if he wants it. And yes, I'm all in on the Lakers winning this season. And probably next. And maybe the next.

They will be very hard to stop. And AD is in his prime now. It's gonna be a crazy ride for them.

Forgive me if I didn’t get the complete picture you were painting. It sounded to me like you wanted to put all the blame on ADs shoulders for not carrying a bunch of scrubs through the playoffs, but not give him credit for having a huge hand in putting the Lakers in the position that they are in.

KG is actually a very good comparison. Timberwolves to Celtics made a mighty big change in people’s perspective of him as a player. I find in basketball people put way too much on the shoulders of an individual when you still need a few more weapons around you to get anything accomplished in the postseason.

Meant no disrespect brother, just sticking up for what I believe to be the NBAs most underrated superstar.


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[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Oh you're right. I forgot how dominant those 2 were together. That squad was primed. Then it all fell apart.

AD still doesn't look quite ready to take the No. 1 spot on a team and lead it. I say it's Bron this season but next, it's all AD. Unless he shows out these Playoffs.

Giannis is just a straight bully/beast.

Kawhi would need to close games well again, I just think they're lacking a quality big.

Agreed. I do wonder how the Lakers will approach things once Bron hangs it up. But let's face it...it's the purple and gold...so they're going to get a lot more 'discount' looks from superstar caliber players looking to end their career with a shot at a 'ship. The benefits of brand recognition.


Yep, Kawhi will have to play lights out on both ends. The only thing that gives me pause on crowning LA prematurely is because the Clips have a pretty loaded bench that can rack up points and make up deficits quick.

I think the plan will be to let AD get his and try and limit Lebron's impact and force the role players to beat them. Easier said than done, but they do have quite a few very good on-ball defenders from Bev, Kawhi, PG, and Montrezl that can make life a little more difficult.


I'll be absolutely devastated if we don't get that showdown.

[dennythedinosau]

Originally Posted by Prince1Yashua

Luka’s prices will go down. I can assure you.

He’s Tim Duncan priced like Lebron James.

Nah, unless he gets injured.

He's literally like a Euro LeBron, in terms of skillset and popularity.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by Prince1Yashua

Luka’s prices will go down. I can assure you.

He’s Tim Duncan priced like Lebron James.

Duncan? Bc's he boring as you say?

[Dnic]

Originally Posted by Prince1Yashua

Luka’s prices will go down. I can assure you.

He’s Tim Duncan priced like Lebron James.

Lol smh another tard has joined the forums, keep trying to pump Zion there little fella your vote thread didnt go so well for you either 😂😂😂😂😂

[hauntedcomputer]

I vote the Lakers as the team least likely to have a player get Covid from a strip club, even with JR in the fold. This year, that may be enough.

[armyml]

Originally Posted by dennythedinosau

Nah, unless he gets injured.



He's literally like a Euro LeBron, in terms of skillset and popularity.

Agreed. Dudes 2nd year numbers were totally insane.

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