2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

You’re talking down the road about hypotheticals but I can absolutely see where vaccines are not required for children due to their immensely low risk of infection. Like you said, risk vs reward. I can tell you the vaccine trials that are ongoing are not focused on children. They may become more of a focus after phase 2 is completed.

Yes I am. So many variables to consider, a waste of mental energy to have to worry about that now.

The vaccine has to come first! And who knows when if ever that happens.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Tangent, but what % of the population would willingly take a Covid vaccine? I’ve got 50% on the high-end, but probably around 30%. It’s also why I think it’s ridiculous to take the position that the virus will go away when there’s a vaccine.

A) I highly doubt a vaccine is coming
B) I don’t feel like many would take a vaccine anyway

I think around 40% will take it. About half the country is all about the lock downs, but some of those will still be scared to take it.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Yes I am. So many variables to consider, a waste of mental energy to have to worry about that now.

The vaccine has to come first! And who knows when if ever that happens.

Everything on hold until a vaccine!

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

I agree.

I don’t think that’s a winnable fight though. I don’t doubt that local districts will try to force it in some places. I just think that is a position to lose a School Board seat if you happen to be in the board and try to push that through.

You want to see something that would unite both sides of the aisle, try to force a rushed Covid vaccination on children.

I remember when Governor Perry in Texas tried to mandate the Gardisal (HPV) vaccine in my state. Biggest political misstep of his career and he quickly backed down.

I’m all for childhood vaccines against crippling disease. I’m for the flu vaccine especially in young children as a safety measure. A Covid vaccine? You’re out of your mind if you think I’d ever give that to my child.

Tangent, but what % of the population would willingly take a Covid vaccine? I’ve got 50% on the high-end, but probably around 30%. It’s also why I think it’s ridiculous to take the position that the virus will go away when there’s a vaccine.

A) I highly doubt a vaccine is coming
B) I don’t feel like many would take a vaccine anyway

I really don't know. I think a lot will have to do with where we are as a country by the time a vaccine is ready to go. Are we largely functional, small COVID numbers, not as a big a deal anymore? Or are we here, on another wave, talking about closed schools and 8 figure unemployment?

But I do think, based on a lot of the language coming from schools in the past few weeks; we're going to struggle mightily over the next X months/years to be a largely functioning economy until we have a vaccine. The idea of canceling this and that for the fear of loss of life is not where we should ever be; and yet here we are.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Yes I am. So many variables to consider, a waste of mental energy to have to worry about that now.

The vaccine has to come first! And who knows when if ever that happens.

I can comfortably say not soon.

This is life for now.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I really don't know. I think a lot will have to do with where we are as a country by the time a vaccine is ready to go. Are we largely functional, small COVID numbers, not as a big a deal anymore? Or are we here, on another wave, talking about closed schools and 8 figure unemployment?

But I do think, based on a lot of the language coming from schools in the past few weeks; we're going to struggle mightily over the next X months/years to be a largely functioning economy until we have a vaccine. The idea of canceling this and that for the fear of loss of life is not where we should ever be; and yet here we are.

Thanks media, 5 months is enough time to brainwash people to feel this way. I know a lot of people who use that as their crutch, "You want people to die?! Monster!"

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I'm healthy, no medical conditions, young-ish!; COVID means nothing to me. On the list of things I'm fearful of, it's right below alien attacks.

Why would I take an injection of anything to prevent something that is of no harm to me? An unproven, unknown injection at that? Seems like the risk is too great for the reward (which for me is absolutely nothing).

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

There’s no evidence of mass risk to children.

Risk vs Reward.

Not to say the vaccine will be risky, but I assume it will be riskier than Covid if my child were to catch it.

0% chance I’d take this vaccine or give it to my child. I’m down on all other vaccines.

I appreciate the responses. I would assume one as vaccine is made available to the public it's gone through rigorous testing and all that, so it's good to get some other perspectives. I remain undecided.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

I appreciate the responses. I would assume one as vaccine is made available to the public it's gone through rigorous testing and all that, so it's good to get some other perspectives. I remain undecided.

You'd assume, and that's why I think it will be years before we see one. Even if they cut the time from half of the Ebola vaccine, it's still 2 years. We cannot allow our government to make decisions based on waiting for a vaccine.

[DegaBama]

The only hope, and yes I am saying this, is we at least get to a point where we say, "Alright, we can open up fully IF we mandate masks." The problem is, you have a state like Michigan who mandates masks AND threatens to roll back a phase.

[pac213up]

We are preparing for a Hybrid learning model this fall, seems like the most likely. Already setting up a school area at home for the kids and purchased new chromebooks. I am fine with that over a complete learn from home model.

[ld8759]

Originally Posted by cnewby

Wow, Raskin is loony. Barr schooling every, single, one of them.

Schooling them on how to cover your tracks? Sorry,I think Barr is as big a criminal as Trump.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by ld8759

Schooling them on how to cover your tracks? Sorry,I think Barr is as big a criminal as Trump.

Fantastic opinion you have there!

[Jopeal]

Barr got skewered by rep. Scanlon over mail-in ballot misinformation

[jlzinck]

The hearing is what is wrong with the country.

The left wanting to hang Barr by the balls and the right wanting to fondle them.

The extremists on both side will be what kills this country.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Barr got skewered by rep. Scanlon over mail-in ballot misinformation

Did NY declare winners yet in their June primary? Or are they still trying to figure out how many ballots to throw away?

[ld8759]

Originally Posted by cnewby

Fantastic opinion you have there!

Isn't that what this thread is for? I don't post much on here,but getting rid of Trump and that whole administration is very important to me. It wasn't a knock on you. You are entitled to your opinion as well.

[Pete Schweddy]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

The hearing is what is wrong with the country.

The left wanting to hang Barr by the balls and the right wanting to fondle them.

The extremists on both side will be what kills this country.

It isn't really much of a hearing, just a grandstanding event. The dems aren't even allowing him to answer, and when he tries they instantly cut him off.

"reclaiming my time, reclaiming my time"

If that was me, I'd tell em to go fornicate themselves and leave. They have no interest in what Barr has to say.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Barr got skewered by rep. Scanlon over mail-in ballot misinformation

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Did NY declare winners yet in their June primary? Or are they still trying to figure out how many ballots to throw away?

https://www.syracuse.com/state/2020/...confusion.html

Can you imagine the blowback if this happened in a presidential election? 30% of votes invalidated?

"But Suraj Patel, a Democrat locked in a close primary race with U.S. Rep. Carolyn Maloney, said 30% of mail-in ballots received in the Brooklyn part of the congressional district were being rejected."

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

https://www.syracuse.com/state/2020/...confusion.html

Can you imagine the blowback if this happened in a presidential election? 30% of votes invalidated?

"But Suraj Patel, a Democrat locked in a close primary race with U.S. Rep. Carolyn Maloney, said 30% of mail-in ballots received in the Brooklyn part of the congressional district were being rejected."

Our voting system is archaic and it seems the Republican party is keen on working against progressing this system, not withstanding the logistic difficulties of in-person voting in the 2020 election.

From the article you cited: "A bigger problem than the delays, though, is that thousands of votes cast in good faith are getting invalidated during the counting process, candidates and good-government activists say.

Some ballots are being knocked out because voters forgot to sign and date them; others because envelopes lacked postmarks that would indicate whether the ballot was dropped in the mail in time to beat the voting deadline."

What do you propose?

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Our voting system is archaic and it seems the Republican party is keen on working against progressing this system, not withstanding the logistic difficulties of in-person voting in the 2020 election.

What do you propose?

I propose a free and fair election. Anyone who wishes to vote by mail can request a ballot and anyone that wishes to vote in person can do so with a valid form of ID.

Easy peezy.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I propose a free and fair election. Anyone who wishes to vote by mail can request a ballot and anyone that wishes to vote in person can do so with a valid form of ID.

Easy peezy.

The issue with mail-in requests is that the concept of mail-in is being invalidated by Trump through disseminating misinformation about the process.

Do you think it's finally time we declare Election Day a national holiday?

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I propose a free and fair election. Anyone who wishes to vote by mail can request a ballot and anyone that wishes to vote in person can do so with a valid form of ID.

Easy peezy.

I am glad MA finally is doing this.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

The issue with mail-in requests is that the concept of mail-in is being invalidated by Trump through disseminating misinformation about the process.

Do you think it's finally time we declare Election Day a national holiday?

No, Trump is clear when he says that we cannot mail ballots to everyone and anyone. Request a ballot, make a vote. It's simple.

As for the National holiday, I really don't care. Sure I guess; I could use another day off.

[RedSoxFan28]

Strange, the people want it, but the ones being paid by the drug/pharmaceutical industry dont.
"government of the people, by the people, for the people"

@wideofthepost
Legalize Marijuana

DNC Platform
vote: 106n, 50y, 3a
% support: 31/67 (-36)

Polling – Pew 11/19
Public: 67/32 (+35)
Dems: 78/20 (+58)

Medicare for All

DNC Platform
vote: 36y, 125n, 3a
% support: 22/76 (-54)

Polling – KFF 5/20
Public: 57/40 (+17)
Dems: 78/19 (+59)

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by RedSoxFan28

Strange, the people want it, but the ones being paid by the drug/pharmaceutical industry dont.
"government of the people, by the people, for the people"

@wideofthepost
Legalize Marijuana

DNC Platform
vote: 106n, 50y, 3a
% support: 31/67 (-36)

Polling – Pew 11/19
Public: 67/32 (+35)
Dems: 78/20 (+58)

Medicare for All

DNC Platform
vote: 36y, 125n, 3a
% support: 22/76 (-54)

Polling – KFF 5/20
Public: 57/40 (+17)
Dems: 78/19 (+59)

Too much money working against it. It’s ok... I will continue to get it illegally without issue.