Potential Worth of Soccer Cards as Market Grows

[anm2231]

Originally Posted by 3pt

LOL Hi I am the seller. I am sorry because I just realized I replied the wrong message.

Someone else was asking about my another card and he asked lot of questions condition about the card and asking for some more photos...I thought it was his message again asking about if the cards are pulled from pack. I thought what is the purpose of asking if a base card is from a pack or not after all of those questions and photos I sent him, so I was kind of annoyed... Lol. I just realized it's about this Sancho auto.

I'm selling for my client. He says he got it from a guy from Germany. And he says it's from a promotional campaign or something in Germany.

Email received back from Topps says their German team couldn’t authenticate the card as it’s not part of a collection.

[3pt]

Originally Posted by anm2231

Email received back from Topps says their German team couldn’t authenticate the card as it’s not part of a collection.

I got it. I should have done more research before list it up. I actually didn't know there is Sancho auto in the hobby productions. I just compared the autos of this card and other autos with authentication from Topps and I should admit it looks different.

I will contact the card owner and ask him if he knows more info about the card.

But I want to make a clarification that the rest of the cards I listed on eBay are authentic. I'm saying this because recently more and more ppl message me asking about the authenticity of the cards I listed such as 2014 Messi Prizm base card. Let me say one thing. There are no fake Prizm cards from China for sure. No one has the technique for producing a prizm/chrome-tech card. However, if you see a seller from China with 0 credit, don't buy it. It's highly possible a scammer.

For this auto card. My client sent this one to me on June 21st. He got this card from another collector from China, and that guy says he got from a guy from Europe (Maybe Germany, maybe Britain or somewhere else). This guy explains that there were some on-site campaigns held by Topps and this card might be from places like that. His explanation is vague.

And here is my thought. I know my client very well and he's a good kid, so there's no way he lied to me. There is a possibility that the guy who sells to him faked the auto and lied or "the guy in Europe" fake the card and lied. I don't think anyone in China has the source to obtain blank Topps sticker so I guess it's more likely someone from Europe fake the card and sold to him. Few months ago, there was a guy from Britain messaged me saying he faked the auto when I was selling a Topps Match Attax Toni Kroos on-card Auto. I didn't believe that guy because he claimed that he faked the auto on a sticker but that Toni Kroos auto is an on card auto card. Of course, this is my judgement based on my experience and knowledge from collecting cards in China for 9 years. The reason I don't think anyone in China being able to get blank Topps sticker is that there is no factory for Topps in China and Topps productions are mostly baseball cards which has almost zero market in China.... So now if I think twice, that guy from Britain might be telling the truth...

I will end this listing now. I'm sorry for the confusion.

[YayNJ]

Originally Posted by 3pt

I don't think anyone in China has the source to obtain blank Topps sticker so I guess it's more likely someone from Europe fake the card

Heh dude, it's China - I mean, their whole economy is pretty much dependant on copied goods - they churn out nearly $500b of stuff a year. If anyone can copy something perfectly it's the Chinese. They are reverse engineering the pinnacle of technology in days, I'm fairly certain a Topps sticker isn't going to leave them scratching their heads, you know this, C'mon

[fadster]

Like I mentioned before they do often run promos and competition on Topps UK and Germany but it's not really documented well, especially the German ones. They do use sticker autos quite often, here are a few examples:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Topps-Match-...-/174291988787
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Topps-Match-...-/114224701270
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Topps-Match-...-/114224699443
https://cartophilic-info-exch.blogsp...d-2014-10.html
https://cartophilic-info-exch.blogsp...201314-19.html
https://cartophilic-info-exch.blogsp...e2-daniel.html
https://cartophilic-info-exch.blogsp...le1-ngolo.html
https://cartophilic-info-exch.blogsp...44-sergio.html

I just remembered there being a Platinum de Bruyne auto in 17/18, despite what the mock up shows these were sticker autos but more importantly put randomly into packs which is something I wasn't sure they ever did.

https://twitter.com/toppsmatchattax/...55642261446657

I'm not convinced this Sancho isn't real but you'd need to find some evidence to support it.

[alessandrosam]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

Heh dude, it's China - I mean, their whole economy is pretty much dependant on copied goods - they churn out nearly $500b of stuff a year. If anyone can copy something perfectly it's the Chinese. They are reverse engineering the pinnacle of technology in days, I'm fairly certain a Topps sticker isn't going to leave them scratching their heads, you know this, C'mon

It's rare I'll take NJs side over fadster, but this is looking more sketchy. Especially when Topps itself has distanced themselves from the card. It is defiently not real until it is proven otherwise and collectors should proceed with caution as always.
Pictures or it didnt happen is what I say on this card specifically.
As a collector in the hobby for 25 years, we need to keep these things under wraps. Seen enough of the crashes to know it always starts with "fake autos".
Add in what Yay mentions here which is well documented, politics aside.
My LLC is buying and selling goods in California. Primarily collectible toys. I have made a few trips to the silk road and contacts there enough to know they can make anything if its worth the time and money.
So don't think for second they couldnt reproduce a prizm or otherwise.
Just look at the problems currently with Metal Universe copies/fakes/reprints flooding the market.
I mean if 90s inserts that were wildly considered garbage for decades that now have value are being reproduced, dont be surprised when prizms are.

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[anm2231]

Originally Posted by 3pt

I got it. I should have done more research before list it up. I actually didn't know there is Sancho auto in the hobby productions. I just compared the autos of this card and other autos with authentication from Topps and I should admit it looks different.

I will contact the card owner and ask him if he knows more info about the card.

But I want to make a clarification that the rest of the cards I listed on eBay are authentic. I'm saying this because recently more and more ppl message me asking about the authenticity of the cards I listed such as 2014 Messi Prizm base card. Let me say one thing. There are no fake Prizm cards from China for sure. No one has the technique for producing a prizm/chrome-tech card. However, if you see a seller from China with 0 credit, don't buy it. It's highly possible a scammer.

For this auto card. My client sent this one to me on June 21st. He got this card from another collector from China, and that guy says he got from a guy from Europe (Maybe Germany, maybe Britain or somewhere else). This guy explains that there were some on-site campaigns held by Topps and this card might be from places like that. His explanation is vague.

And here is my thought. I know my client very well and he's a good kid, so there's no way he lied to me. There is a possibility that the guy who sells to him faked the auto and lied or "the guy in Europe" fake the card and lied. I don't think anyone in China has the source to obtain blank Topps sticker so I guess it's more likely someone from Europe fake the card and sold to him. Few months ago, there was a guy from Britain messaged me saying he faked the auto when I was selling a Topps Match Attax Toni Kroos on-card Auto. I didn't believe that guy because he claimed that he faked the auto on a sticker but that Toni Kroos auto is an on card auto card. Of course, this is my judgement based on my experience and knowledge from collecting cards in China for 9 years. The reason I don't think anyone in China being able to get blank Topps sticker is that there is no factory for Topps in China and Topps productions are mostly baseball cards which has almost zero market in China.... So now if I think twice, that guy from Britain might be telling the truth...

I will end this listing now. I'm sorry for the confusion.

Definitely wasn’t blaming you. I was sincerely interested in the card but just wanted to make sure it was a legit auto. If you could get the back story, that would be great. I just figured there would be some kind of identifier on it such as a Topps sticker or something.

[YayNJ]

Originally Posted by alessandrosam

It's rare I'll take NJs side over fadster

I've got no idea who you are?

edit : Wait.. are you upset that I said Pogba isn't the best midfielder in the Premier League?

[alessandrosam]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

I've got no idea who you are?

edit : Wait.. are you upset that I said Pogba isn't the best midfielder in the Premier League?

Correction: best midfielder in the world.
Without him France doesn't get crowned Champs.

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[YayNJ]

[JVB]

I think everyone else would probably agree de Bruyne and then Kante, but to each their own I suppose?

[fadster]

Anyone know anything about the recent OG Ronaldo sales, I see a PSA 9 Panini Voetbal 95 #91 went for $2000 and a PSA 10 "sold" for $8750 but that sale looks a bit odd, relisted and sold a few times in the space of a few minutes. The #78 is usually seen as the rookie and the #91 is the insert (although it is a "shiney"), makes me wonder what the #78 would go for these days.

[JWBlue]

A Cristiano Ronaldo 2003 Panini Sports Mega Craques Rookie RC PSA 10 sold for $25K last night.

I contacted the buyer and he says it was paid for. He is listing another for $50K.

[Jeff1970Red]

That’s quite an increase, may still be underpriced.

[spotted penguins]

Originally Posted by alessandrosam

Correction: best midfielder in the world.
Without him France doesn't get crowned Champs.

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Kante's a more impactful midfielder than Pogba, and they play on the same national team.

Without Kante, Leicester doesn't win the league, neither does Chelsea, nor France.

[Sutantoj]

Originally Posted by fadster

Anyone know anything about the recent OG Ronaldo sales, I see a PSA 9 Panini Voetbal 95 #91 went for $2000 and a PSA 10 "sold" for $8750 but that sale looks a bit odd, relisted and sold a few times in the space of a few minutes. The #78 is usually seen as the rookie and the #91 is the insert (although it is a "shiney"), makes me wonder what the #78 would go for these days.

I bought the psa 9 for 2k, i was negotiating for psa 10 and someone beat me to it.
I considered both are his rookie cards and they are rare especially in good condition
#91 is rarer than #78
i think his cards are undervalued

[alessandrosam]

Originally Posted by spotted penguins

Kante's a more impactful midfielder than Pogba, and they play on the same national team.

Without Kante, Leicester doesn't win the league, neither does Chelsea, nor France.

There are three types of midfielders. Defensive. Central. Attacking.

Kante is a classic DMC, evident by the fact that you rarely see him in attacking play or the score sheet. Kante is an incredible defensive midfielder. Classic ball winner. Would love to have him on my team. But without scoring capabilities, that doesnt bode well for his pricing.

DeBruyne is a hybrid AMC, not like the Kaka or Ronaldinho or Totti trequartista style but more a long the lines of a 2014 Goetze or Ozil. As well you rarely see Kevin on the defensive side of the ball.

Pogba is such a great midfielder because he can do both and is most commonly played in the central role for that reason.

Not to mention Pogba scored the Game WINNING goal in that world cup final 2 years ago this sub seems to heap all the praise on mbappe for, even though Kylian scored the nail in the coffin on a croatia side that by that point in the game was feeling the effects of consecutive extra time games.

I like the long term value on Pogba. And I stand by that.

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[fadster]

Originally Posted by Sutantoj

I bought the psa 9 for 2k, i was negotiating for psa 10 and someone beat me to it.
I considered both are his rookie cards and they are rare especially in good condition
#91 is rarer than #78
i think his cards are undervalued

Thanks for the info, congrats on the purchase! I agree he was/is undervalued compared to the rest of the market. I have two of each at PSA at the moment, I pulled them myself from factory sets over the years so am hopeful of a decent grade. There are far more #78 graded as it's the traditional base but I'm not aware of any difference in production numbers. It used to sell for more than the #91 but to be honest I wouldn't be surprised if their price levels converge due to the bling factor.

[YayNJ]

2019/20 DeBryune Vs. Paul Pogba

De Bryune

Goals : 13*
Assists : 21*
SPG : 2.6*
PS% : 81.1
Tackles : 1.2*
Dribbles : 1.5
Key Passes : 3.6*
AvgP : 52.6
Crosses : 2.1*

Pogba

Goals : 1
Assists : 3
SPG : 1.5
PS% : 85.6*
Tackles : 1.1
Dribbles : 1.7*
Key Passes : 1.9
AvgP : 65.3*
Crosses : 0.1

[spotted penguins]

Originally Posted by alessandrosam

There are three types of midfielders. Defensive. Central. Attacking.

Kante is a classic DMC, evident by the fact that you rarely see him in attacking play or the score sheet. Kante is an incredible defensive midfielder. Classic ball winner. Would love to have him on my team. But without scoring capabilities, that doesnt bode well for his pricing.

DeBruyne is a hybrid AMC, not like the Kaka or Ronaldinho or Totti trequartista style but more a long the lines of a 2014 Goetze or Ozil. As well you rarely see Kevin on the defensive side of the ball.

Pogba is such a great midfielder because he can do both and is most commonly played in the central role for that reason.

Not to mention Pogba scored the Game WINNING goal in that world cup final 2 years ago this sub seems to heap all the praise on mbappe for, even though Kylian scored the nail in the coffin on a croatia side that by that point in the game was feeling the effects of consecutive extra time games.

I like the long term value on Pogba. And I stand by that.

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Obviously I know what the roles of the midfield positions are.

I'm stating that Kante has shown more influence on the games he plays on because the clubs/teams he plays for are able to allow their creative talents to thrive due to his stalwart defensive play.

If you're strictly talking hobby values, that's a different story, but to declare Pogba the best midfielder in the world...that's doubtful. Bruno's impact on United has been greater than Pogba's has been, and that's just recent memory. I'd honestly prefer to put my money towards Bruno than Pogba.

[3pt]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

Heh dude, it's China - I mean, their whole economy is pretty much dependant on copied goods - they churn out nearly $500b of stuff a year. If anyone can copy something perfectly it's the Chinese. They are reverse engineering the pinnacle of technology in days, I'm fairly certain a Topps sticker isn't going to leave them scratching their heads, you know this, C'mon

since it's $500b a year, I don't think anyone needs to fake a bunch of sticker for a few hundreds dollars...lol

[anm2231]

Originally Posted by 3pt

since it's $500b a year, I don't think anyone needs to fake a bunch of sticker for a few hundreds dollars...lol

Have you heard back from him yet

[3pt]

Originally Posted by anm2231

Definitely wasn’t blaming you. I was sincerely interested in the card but just wanted to make sure it was a legit auto. If you could get the back story, that would be great. I just figured there would be some kind of identifier on it such as a Topps sticker or something.

now I hear that the guy who sell to my client is a long time collector in China...It might be authentic. I don't know. It's suspicious because one of my other friends got another copy from the same guy...to avoid confusion I'm not selling match attax cards anymore because I really have no much knowledge about them.

[YayNJ]

Originally Posted by 3pt

since it's $500b a year, I don't think anyone needs to fake a bunch of sticker for a few hundreds dollars...lol

they fake $2 make-up.

don't be so naive.

[ovt]

Anybody have any thoughts on the potential of 2014 Prizm World Cup Soccer? I am primarily a basketball collector but have recently been educating myself on soccer (the sport itself and the card market). I see a lot of comparisons between 2014 Prizm WC and 2012 Prizm basketball.

[bobbycass]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

they fake $2 make-up.

don't be so naive.

Its ridiculous to think they dont. There are plenty of fake Magic the Gathering cards from the place. If they are being faked then every card imagineable is being faked.

Worse thing about, PSA and BGS have both graded fakes as the real thing.