2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

The irony of this joke is that only white people who are prejudiced believe this is what progressives & ethnic minorities want.

Someone made a joke earlier that open Trump supporters are stigmatized in many parts of the country.
I'd say that is actually slightly closer to reality than the idea of anti-whiteness.

Is it? It is certainly possible that the cultural grievances will fade away, but who knows how it plays out at this time. The attached is from the Smithsonian's National Museum of African American History and Culture. It was posted last week and has since been removed. Are these white values or American (Western) values?




ETA: Here is a link that provides a better view of the chart

https://www.newsweek.com/smithsonian...values-1518333

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by Clark

Is it? It is certainly possible that the cultural grievances will fade away, but who knows how it plays out at this time. The attached is from the Smithsonian's National Museum of African American History and Culture. It was posted last week and has since been removed. Are these white values or American (Western) values?

Attachment 487810
Attachment 487812

Can't quite read it...

[Clark]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Can't quite read it...

Edited to add link at bottom of post

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Clark

Is it? It is certainly possible that the cultural grievances will fade away, but who knows how it plays out at this time. The attached is from the Smithsonian's National Museum of African American History and Culture. It was posted last week and has since been removed. Are these white values or American (Western) values?

ETA: Here is a link that provides a better view of the chart

https://www.newsweek.com/smithsonian...values-1518333

Ok I read the chart. I would posit they're white American values initially as the country was conquered by white Christian settlers (they're definitely not the values of indigenous peoples to the Americas).
Many non-white people also hold similar Judeo-Christian values.

Interested to see where you are going with this.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by tpeichel34

Was Trump on the Lolita Express twenty-six times? Maxwell tried to get close to elites to blackmail them. Of course she has pictures with the most famous New Yorker. Now if Trump was on Epstein Island, that changes everything. Do you have anything on that?

This from a person who sees value in totally unsourced reporting and posts that nonsense repeatedly?

OK, sure, Trump lived in a bunglalow on Epstein Island for two years.
Sure, there's no source for that, so I personally don't believe it, but you should be fine with it.
Just consider it a "blind item" drop, and you're go to go, right?

This, on the other hand, is sourced. It's from a 2002 New York Magazine profile of Epstein.
Trump on Epstein:
"I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side."

Both men are cut from the exact same degenerate cloth.

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Same. It confirms that some people really do think that way.

Social.



Distancing.

Originally Posted by Siberian13

I like the TMZ one.

DR. ANTHONY FAUCI Ceremonial 1st Pitch SOCIAL DISTANCES FROM STRIKE ZONE

Trump today joins fellow one-term President Jimmy Carter in not having thrown out an opening day first pitch during their tenure in office, although Jimmy did throw one out in the 1979 World Series. William Howard Taft began the tradition in 1910, so it is possible for someone notably overweight to do it. To that end, President Trump announced he'll be throwing out the first pitch at a crowdless Yankee Stadium on August 15th for some odd reason.
We'll see...

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Ok I read the chart. I would posit they're white American values initially as the country was conquered by white Christian settlers (they're definitely not the values of indigenous peoples to the Americas).
Many non-white people also hold similar Judeo-Christian values.

Interested to see where you are going with this.

Honestly, I am not pushing any agenda. I am simply trying to provoke discussion.

Too often we hear about the "tough discussions" that need to be had about these issues. I have found that those on the left that promote tough discussions only want to hear concerns that suit their narrative. Their views are always a utopia.

I read earlier, your posting about systemic racism. I am not denying that it exists. However, you can't blanket a country with such broad allegations. Some of left are playing a powerful game. "See it my way or you are racist, nazi, or fascist". Until we can set aside stigmas and get to the root of the problem, then nothing will be solved.

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by jdandns

This from a person who sees value in totally unsourced reporting and posts that nonsense repeatedly?

OK, sure, Trump lived in a bunglalow on Epstein Island for two years.
Sure, there's no source for that, so I personally don't believe it, but you should be fine with it.
Just consider it a "blind item" drop, and you're go to go, right?

This, on the other hand, is sourced. It's from a 2002 New York Magazine profile of Epstein.
Trump on Epstein:
"I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side."

If you had a history of accurate blinds like CDAN, then your “blind” about Trump having a bungalow on Pedo Island would carry some weight.

On the opposite end is the media that reports story after story incorrectly so I’m very skeptical of everything they say.

You just made me realize I put more stock in what CDAN says than CNN. Pretty funny.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Trump today joins fellow one-term President Jimmy Carter in not having thrown out an opening day first pitch during their tenure in office, although Jimmy did throw one out in the 1979 World Series. William Howard Taft began the tradition in 1910, so it is possible for someone notably overweight to do it. To that end, President Trump announced he'll be throwing out the first pitch at a crowdless Yankee Stadium on August 15th for some odd reason.
We'll see...

We we’re talking about Fauci. How random of you

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

We we’re talking about Fauci. How random of you

Not even kind of random.
It's been a tradition since 1910 that the President do it.
Why did Trump never do it?

Don't answer that!
You'll only confuse Snooby.

Originally Posted by tpeichel34

If you had a history of accurate blinds like CDAN, then your “blind” about Trump having a bungalow on Pedo Island would carry some weight.

On the opposite end is the media that reports story after story incorrectly so I’m very skeptical of everything they say.

You just made me realize I put more stock in what CDAN says than CNN. Pretty funny.

There is no such thing as an "accurate blind".
Those words don't go together.
How can you not know that?

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Clark

Honestly, I am not pushing any agenda. I am simply trying to provoke discussion.

Too often we hear about the "tough discussions" that need to be had about these issues. I have found that those on the left that promote tough discussions only want to hear concerns that suit their narrative. Their views are always a utopia.

I read earlier, your posting about systemic racism. I am not denying that it exists. However, you can't blanket a country with such broad allegations. Some of left are playing a powerful game. "See it my way or you are racist, nazi, or fascist". Until we can set aside stigmas and get to the root of the problem, then nothing will be solved.

I'd say this: using terms like "systemic racism" are a jumping off point for further discourse. It's not necessarily a sweeping indictment on the entire country, but rather a recognition that there are inequalities that far predate 2020 or the BLM protests.

Some people (lets use the word "left" for discussions sake) are using the discourse that you're either with us or against us, while others (lets say the "right") are digging into the ideology of rugged individualism while continually being dismissive, if not angry, about the idea of any inherent difficulties that may exist for certain socioeconomic demographics.

It's a virtually a game of tug-of-war and civility is less respected than ever before. Case in point: the President

What do you think the root of the problem is?

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Not even kind of random.
It's been a tradition since 1910 that the President do it.
Why did Trump never do it?

Don't answer that!
You'll only confuse Snooby.

We were discussing Fauci so yeah random. Trump must be on your mind all the time. You stop picking on your boi toi Snoobs

[patzee]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Not even kind of random.
It's been a tradition since 1910 that the President do it.
Why did Trump never do it?

Don't answer that!
You'll only confuse Snooby.



There is no such thing as an "accurate blind".
Those words don't go together.
How can you not know that?

who is your favorite CNN scumbag? I'll bet it's Jimblow Akcostica!

[DegaBama]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...g-schools.html

The experts say to open schools. Finally, some brains!

[jk1937]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

I'd say this: using terms like "systemic racism" are a jumping off point for further discourse. It's not necessarily a sweeping indictment on the entire country, but rather a recognition that there are inequalities that far predate 2020 or the BLM protests.

Some people (lets use the word "left" for discussions sake) are using the discourse that you're either with us or against us, while others (lets say the "right") are digging into the ideology of rugged individualism while continually being dismissive, if not angry, about the idea of any inherent difficulties that may exist for certain socioeconomic demographics.

It's a virtually a game of tug-of-war and civility is less respected than ever before. Case in point: the President

What do you think the root of the problem is?

I think when you use the term “systemic” it’s not a jumping off point at all. It is a sweeping indictment of the “system” which to me means the whole country/system. And that’s where they lose me on a lot of this.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...g-schools.html

The experts say to open schools. Finally, some brains!

Masks or no masks now?

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Masks or no masks now?

No mention.

It is funny ready the comments on twitter land. People are freaking out, I thought they wanted everyone to trust the science?

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by jk1937

I think when you use the term “systemic” it’s not a jumping off point at all. It is a sweeping indictment of the “system” which to me means the whole country/system. And that’s where they lose me on a lot of this.

What would you prefer? How can someone get you or people who feel similarly to you into a discussion that might actually address the issue?

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

I'd say this: using terms like "systemic racism" are a jumping off point for further discourse. It's not necessarily a sweeping indictment on the entire country, but rather a recognition that there are inequalities that far predate 2020 or the BLM protests.

Some people (lets use the word "left" for discussions sake) are using the discourse that you're either with us or against us, while others (lets say the "right") are digging into the ideology of rugged individualism while continually being dismissive, if not angry, about the idea of any inherent difficulties that may exist for certain socioeconomic demographics.

It's a virtually a game of tug-of-war and civility is less respected than ever before. Case in point: the President.

What do you think the root of the problem is?

1a and 1b= Culture within the community and employment opportunities.

As one example of culture, you wrote earlier about the disproportionate race of prisoners. One thing to consider is that 35% of all gang bangers are black compared to 12% of whites.

Here is an interesting youtube link from members of the black community to consider https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHGt...&index=33&t=0s

[marl1220]

Imagine if the roles were reversed in this story. It's enough to make a person puke!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...urist-NYC.html

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Clark

1a and 1b= Culture within the community and employment opportunities.

As one example of culture, you wrote earlier about the disproportionate race of prisoners. One thing to consider is that 35% of all gang bangers are black compared to 12% of whites.

Here is an interesting youtube link from members of the black community to consider https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHGt...&index=33&t=0s

I'm not sure how someone quantifies gang affiliation (polling?)
but even accepting that number at face value, it doesn't nearly account for an incarceration rate of 5.8x

Could you please summarize some of your takeaways from the 2+ hour roundtable that you linked? I've studied this issue extensively for years so I'm likely familiar with some of the talking points.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by marl1220

Imagine if the roles were reversed in this story. It's enough to make a person puke!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...urist-NYC.html

I read the article. I can't believe the law in NY allows the guy to go free when he killed someone else, fled the scene and fled the state.

And no investigation. Police didn't even bother to question the witnesses at the scene. Unbelievable. Almost can't believe it.

[jk1937]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

What would you prefer? How can someone get you or people who feel similarly to you into a discussion that might actually address the issue?

First thing is people taking some personal responsibility. Not blaming everything on someone else. Also the blatant hypocrisy of some in the media, politics, and with society in general right now just makes me tune out instantly. I’m all for tweaking/reforming policies and ideas if need be as time goes on to improve lives and outcomes but the blaming all the bad things in the world on police, white people and America as a whole is really not getting people like me in the middle to even listen.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by marl1220

Imagine if the roles were reversed in this story. It's enough to make a person puke!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...urist-NYC.html

He was only facing a maximum of 1 year in prison. Is that right? It’s New York so nothing is surprising

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Clark

Is it? It is certainly possible that the cultural grievances will fade away, but who knows how it plays out at this time. The attached is from the Smithsonian's National Museum of African American History and Culture. It was posted last week and has since been removed. Are these white values or American (Western) values?

Attachment 487810
Attachment 487812

ETA: Here is a link that provides a better view of the chart

https://www.newsweek.com/smithsonian...values-1518333

Originally Posted by Jopeal

I'd say this: using terms like "systemic racism" are a jumping off point for further discourse. It's not necessarily a sweeping indictment on the entire country, but rather a recognition that there are inequalities that far predate 2020 or the BLM protests.

Some people (lets use the word "left" for discussions sake) are using the discourse that you're either with us or against us, while others (lets say the "right") are digging into the ideology of rugged individualism while continually being dismissive, if not angry, about the idea of any inherent difficulties that may exist for certain socioeconomic demographics.

It's a virtually a game of tug-of-war and civility is less respected than ever before. Case in point: the President

What do you think the root of the problem is?

Originally Posted by jk1937

First thing is people taking some personal responsibility. Not blaming everything on someone else. Also the blatant hypocrisy of some in the media, politics, and with society in general right now just makes me tune out instantly. I’m all for tweaking/reforming policies and ideas if need be as time goes on to improve lives and outcomes but the blaming all the bad things in the world on police, white people and America as a whole is really not getting people like me in the middle to even listen.

And around and around we go

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

He was only facing a maximum of 1 year in prison. Is that right? It’s New York so nothing is surprising

I've yet to find an article mentioning the specifics. But supposedly there is something about NY law that prevented them from charging him with a felony.

I'm not sure but getting out of your car, pursuing a person, punching them unconscious (and eventually dead), then fleeing the scene sounds like a felony to me. Hopefully the family brings a wrongful death civil suit against this scum bag and takes every cent he'll ever make.