2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[discostu]

Originally Posted by rman112

Why do you defend the media so hard?

You claiming to be non-partisan is being as full of crap as the media that you defend.

I respond to comments like "scum-infested" and "you cant take any media at face value anymore"...and that's somehow defending the media so hard?

You like follow me along, vomiting out this nonsense along with "you claim to be non-partisan" banter, but I've been pretty clear.

I don't get it. I don't need to, but if you have anything direct to ask me about my beliefs...have at it.

Or just continue being the dense gnat that you're playing here and keep trying to take the piss out of me.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

June 22?

Looks like I was a bit early with this post......

Former NFL player Larry Johnson going off the deep end right now tweeting out how Jews pray to Satan.

Johnson's got a history of being off mentally. I wouldn't doubt at all that he's had brain damage from football.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by discostu

I respond to comments like "scum-infested" and "you cant take any media at face value anymore"...and that's somehow defending the media so hard?

You like follow me along, vomiting out this nonsense along with "you claim to be non-partisan" banter, but I've been pretty clear.

I don't get it. I don't need to, but if you have anything direct to ask me about my beliefs...have at it.

Or just continue being the dense gnat that you're playing here and keep trying to take the piss out of me.

Well, yeah. You chime in plenty defending the media. Why? And even going as far to imply that the PEOPLE are the issue/cause of media bullsh*t. The media hatred is 'comical' and 'sad' , and it's 'embarrassing' that people complain about it. Get lost with that garbage.

With headlines that don't match stories, and intentionally misleading information.. Yeah, "scum-infested" and "you cant take any media at face value anymore" fits the shoes of those that treat their stories in that way.. on purpose.

Most of your defenses/posts outside of the economic realm make little sense. Just yesterday you posted how the NY Dept. of Health sided with Cuomo, and didn't say anything after you got laughed out.

Dense. Right.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

I would push back a bit here.

The dominant argument regarding climate change is that it is a supply-side issue. We're told that consumers should not feel guilty because it is the profit-obssesed corporations who are corrupting our politics and destroying the planet.

If that's the case, then I don't think we can so easily abandon the supply-side argument when it comes to the media and its pollution.

(Although personally I believe it's a mix of both.)

This is the "I'm mad at the drug dealer for selling me drugs" approach of avoiding personal responsibility and a declaration of a glaring void in the ability to think critically.

I think we can agree that responsibility is certainly a two-way street.

I believe that labeling all media as "bad" or "corrupt" is an infantile approach.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by mattglet

But that's the point - you're talking about two different things, which were not being talked about within the same conversation. You brought up donations, which Geech and I were specifically addressing. Those donations cannot be used towards political campaigns.

I realize you also asked about Geech's thoughts around whether or not he believes BLM is a progressive entity or a conservative entity. He didn't answer. Or are you taking a long road around to try to show him how BLM is a progressive entity? It's fine if so, I'm just showing you how this is confusing (at least to me anyway).

I understand the confusion. This was my original reply to the BLM donations discussion.....
The fact that there are 2 different posters, jdands and Geechquest, who play dumb when it comes to where BLM donations go is one of the reasons I don't bother posting here much more.
Intellectually dishonesty is not a good look fellas.

It was in reply to Geechquest reply to Ray27Ray52's post.....

"Well you tried. I'll give you that. Your analogy makes not one iota of sense but good effort.

You have to be trolling. I honestly don't think I could find a single person in this country who is confused as to the political leanings of BLM."

Apparently some don't believe BLM leans left, far left in my opinion. And one way or another any donation made to BLM will go towards a liberal cause.
Please feel free to show me how that satement isn't true.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by discostu

This is the "I'm mad at the drug dealer for selling me drugs" approach of avoiding personal responsibility and a declaration of a glaring void in the ability to think critically.

I think we can agree that responsibility is certainly a two-way street.

I believe that labeling all media as "bad" or "corrupt" is an infantile approach.

You're admitting the media sucks, and we shouldn't go to them?

[discostu]

Originally Posted by rman112

Well, yeah. You chime in plenty defending the media. Why? And even going as far to imply that the PEOPLE are the issue/cause of media bullsh*t. The media hatred is 'comical' and 'sad' , and it's 'embarrassing' that people complain about it. Get lost with that garbage.

With headlines that don't match stories, and intentionally misleading information.. Yeah, "scum-infested" and "you cant take any media at face value anymore" fits the shoes of those that treat their stories in that way.. on purpose.

Most of your defenses/posts outside of the economic realm make little sense. Just yesterday you posted how the NY Dept. of Health sided with Cuomo, and didn't say anything after you got laughed out.

Dense. Right.

Regarding my NYDOH post, did you read this part...

"Of course (and rightfully so to remove doubt in the validity in this report), I'm sure we'll see additional investigations into the causes and results."

Or like NeedChapmans, did you just laugh at the audacity that I would post it?

We should expect that report is biased and of course we'll see follow-ups.

Nonetheless, I feel like I should leave you a key under the mat if you're going to continue to follow this closely.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by discostu

Regarding my NYDOH post, did you read this part...

"Of course (and rightfully so to remove doubt in the validity in this report), I'm sure we'll see additional investigations into the causes and results."

Or like NeedChapmans, did you just laugh at the audacity that I would post it?

We should expect that report is biased and of course we'll see follow-ups.

Nonetheless, I feel like I should leave you a key under the mat if you're going to continue to follow this closely.

Yes. It was pretty asinine.

[rman112]

@AP
New York hospitals released more than 6,300 recovering coronavirus patients into nursing homes at the pandemic's height. But state officials say the policy wasn't to blame for a high nursing home death toll and point to staffers who worked while infected.

..

I literally laughed out loud as I read it.

[DegaBama]

If you have a cloth mask... maybe don't wear it?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by discostu

Regarding my NYDOH post, did you read this part...

"Of course (and rightfully so to remove doubt in the validity in this report), I'm sure we'll see additional investigations into the causes and results."

Or like NeedChapmans, did you just laugh at the audacity that I would post it?

We should expect that report is biased and of course we'll see follow-ups.

Nonetheless, I feel like I should leave you a key under the mat if you're going to continue to follow this closely.

Posting a link that the defendant pleads not guilty only to say "We'll see what happens during the trial" is of no value.

It offers nothing to the discussion. What would be more valuable is to hear you say what you believe; I don't recall your opinion on the matter; perhaps you'd like to share so we know where you stand. Is Cuomo guilty of a serious mistake that cost lives, or isn't he?

[rman112]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Posting a link that the defendant pleads not guilty only to say "We'll see what happens during the trial" is of no value.

It offers nothing to the discussion. What would be more valuable is to hear you say what you believe; I don't recall your opinion on the matter; perhaps you'd like to share so we know where you stand. Is Cuomo guilty of a serious mistake that cost lives, or isn't he?

The Green Mile was on last night. I think the Louisiana Department of Health ruled that Del's electrocution complications didn't happen because of Percy not soaking the sponge.

[free2131]

So, is Kayne West legit crazy, or is he trolling?

That he’s running for president in 2020 under a new banner—the Birthday Party—with guidance from Elon Musk and an obscure vice presidential candidate he’s already chosen.

"I am taking the red hat off, with this interview," West said. "One of the main reasons I wore the red hat as a protest to the segregation of votes in the Black community. Also, other than the fact that I like Trump hotels and the saxophones in the lobby."

As for his White House, West said the organizational model would be based on the fictitious Marvel secret country of Wakanda from Black Panther. "I'm gonna use the framework of Wakanda right now because it's the best explanation of what our design group is going to feel like in the White House …That is a positive idea: You got Kanye West, one of the most powerful humans — I'm not saying the most because you got a lot of alien-level superpowers and it's only collectively that we can set it free. Let's get back to Wakanda … like in the movie in Wakanda when the king went to visit that lead scientist to have the shoes wrap around her shoes," he said.

Still, even if there was a vaccine, West would not take it as he also revealed he is an anti-vaxxer. "It's so many of our children that are being vaccinated and paralyzed … So when they say the way we're going to fix COVID is with a vaccine, I'm extremely cautious," West said. "That's the mark of the beast. They want to put chips inside of us, they want to do all kinds of things, to make it where we can't cross the gates of heaven. I'm sorry when I say they, the humans that have the Devil inside them. And the sad thing is that, the saddest thing is that we all won’t make it to heaven, that there’ll be some of us that do not make it. Next question.”

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

If you have a cloth mask... maybe don't wear it?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/

Did you even read this?

It says the study was done with healthcare workers in high risk wards, places that wearing full on medical grade PPE doesn't always work in keeping the virus away.

Seems pretty obvious that the medical masks would work better than cloth based masks in those situations, not really any ground breaking outcome.

To then use that to say people shouldn't be wearing cloth masks in general is just asinine. I'm shocked anyone was even allowed to do this study as they were then sending medical workers out there with likely insufficient equipment (not surprising it was in Thailand as I can't see that study being approved here).

[discostu]

Originally Posted by rman112

Yes. It was pretty asinine.

Originally Posted by rman112

@AP
New York hospitals released more than 6,300 recovering coronavirus patients into nursing homes at the pandemic's height. But state officials say the policy wasn't to blame for a high nursing home death toll and point to staffers who worked while infected.

..

I literally laughed out loud as I read it.

Are you going to fact check it yourself...or wait for someone in the media to do it?

Or just blindly write it off and stay in a cave and tell the wall it's wrong?

[rman112]

Originally Posted by discostu

Are you going to fact check it yourself...or wait for someone in the media to do it?

Or just blindly write it off and stay in a cave and tell the wall it's wrong?

The point you're making is that the media is dishonest and needs to be fact checked?

[trixstar]

Originally Posted by rman112

Why do you defend the media so hard?

You claiming to be non-partisan is being as full of crap as the media that you defend.

I think there’s good honest journalists out there doing real work that you have to have to keep a free society. I don’t know how you go about regulating it other than bringing back the fairness doctorine and I’m not even sure how much that fixes it. I know even though there’s bad on both sides I’d rather have what we have versus the alternative. I worry way more about losing local journalism than national.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by trixstar

I think there’s good honest journalists out there doing real work that you have to have to keep a free society. I don’t know how you go about regulating it other than bringing back the fairness doctorine and I’m not even sure how much that fixes it. I know even though there’s bad on both sides I’d rather have what we have versus the alternative. I worry way more about losing local journalism than national.

I'd imagine that the downsizing/loss of local newspapers because of the internet age has put that group at risk.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by trixstar

I think there’s good honest journalists out there doing real work that you have to have to keep a free society. I don’t know how you go about regulating it other than bringing back the fairness doctorine and I’m not even sure how much that fixes it. I know even though there’s bad on both sides I’d rather have what we have versus the alternative. I worry way more about losing local journalism than national.

Can you give me a couple of names of these journalists? Curious who you personally hold in high regard.

[jk1937]

this is the kind of stuff that is scaring me to the trump side. a few things in there make sense but most i just can't even understand how its an idea?

lifetime education for illegal immigrants and prisoners? voting for illegal immigrants? no life sentence? close all federal prisons? no gang database? etc.

just seems like a way to make the country and the already hard hit crime cities even worse by putting more criminals back in the streets.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/wha...ce-reparations

[rman112]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Can you give me a couple of names of these journalists? Curious who you personally hold in high regard.

I'd imagine they'd have to be independent, right? Because if you work for a company, you can only print what your bosses allow you to. ABC burying the Epstein story showed us how real that is.

Who's got the name recognition/personal money/pull to pull that off? And also, the balls?

[Pete Schweddy]

Originally Posted by rman112

I'd imagine that the downsizing/loss of local newspapers because of the internet age has put that group at risk.

I used to try to support local, small town newspapers. But over the last few years they've all jumped on board the trash Trump train, and I don't want that from the locals. If I want that I'll check out the regional or national outlets.

[Pete Schweddy]

Originally Posted by rman112

I'd imagine they'd have to be independent, right? Because if you work for a company, you can only print what your bosses allow you to. ABC burying the Epstein story showed us how real that is.

Who's got the name recognition/personal money/pull to pull that off? And also, the balls?

Or NBC altering their reporting to fit their anti-gun narrative.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by jk1937

this is the kind of stuff that is scaring me to the trump side. a few things in there make sense but most i just can't even understand how its an idea?

lifetime education for illegal immigrants and prisoners? voting for illegal immigrants? no life sentence? close all federal prisons? no gang database? etc.

just seems like a way to make the country and the already hard hit crime cities even worse by putting more criminals back in the streets.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/wha...ce-reparations

Those are Democratic votes, chief. Every last one. Don't think for a minute that they aren't serious about this stuff as they see it as their ticket to power.

[NeedChapmans]

Just a reminder, NY held their Dem primary on June 23rd and they are no where near finished tallying the votes. They didn't even have a Republican one, which spared a lot of ballots.

Mail in voting would be an epic disaster if implemented. Can't happen.