2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[TheFrenzy]

I've got to stop reading this stuff. But at least one more time, let's compare the reporting to reality.

"Florida teen who died of COVID-19 attended large church gathering, was given hydroxychloroquine at home" - ABC

"A high-risk Florida teen who died from covid-19 attended a hugh church party, then was given hydroxychloroquine by her parents, report says" - WaPo

"17-year-old girl dies of coronavirus after parents treated her with unapproved drugs" - TODAY

"Florida teen attended large church gathering, was given hydroxychloroquine by parents before dying from COVID-19, report says" - NBC

Ok, so clearly the two most important details of this story are 1) the teen contracted the virus from a church party and 2) her parents gave her a dangerous drug called hydroxychloroquine.

According to the Reporting

• A Florida church throws a "COVID Party" and invites everyone.
• A Florida teen attends the party and contracts the virus.
• Her parents try to treat her at home with hydroxychloroquine.
• Hydroxychloroquine is a deadly drug that is not approved for treating COVID-19, but has been promoted by Trump.
• The teen subsequently dies.
• You should be outraged.

But in Reality

• The person who broke the story and sent it viral was the Florida lady who was fired from the Department of Public Health for repeatedly making unauthorized statements to the media. The same lady who has claimed (without providing evidence) that her firing was because she refused to play along with some DPH conspiracy to manipulate the data. She is the one who posted screenshots of the mother's social media and labeled the church's get together a "COVID Party." She also conveniently left out the following relevant information:
• The teen's mother is a NURSE and her father is a PHYSICIAN'S ASSISTANT—they are both medical professionals.
• The teen was immuno-compromised due to having survived childhood cancer.
• Her parents, knowing her unique health status, still felt comfortable allowing her to attend the church get together.
• The church never referred to their activity day as a "COVID Party" as was initially reported.
• The teen became ill and her parents began a six day treatment of the antibiotic azithromycin on the same day as the church party. (Meaning the teen almost certainly did not contract the virus from the church party.)
• Her parents had an oxygen machine in the home along with other medical equipment and were monitoring her vitals continuously from the moment she became ill.
• Her medical professional parents were in contact with physicians while "treating her from home" because, again, they are both medical professionals and had most of the relevant equipment in their home.
• At one point, her parents gave her a single dose of hydroxychloroquine.
• When her condition worsened, her parents initially opted to go with a form of plasma therapy over intubation. When that failed, they went to intubation. Sadly, that failed too and the teen passed away.
• Now the parents and the church are getting doxxed and attacked by the mob for "killing" the teen.

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by techtre2003

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/squ...ve-reparations


As the article states, this won't actually pass. But the new blood is setting ground work for this type of thing in the future. People may think this is stupid now and laugh it off, but if we just let this non-sense continue without speaking up about it this may become reality.

They are terrorists as far as I'm concerned. They won't be happy until the United Sates is in shambles.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Triggered.

Deflection.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

I've got to stop reading this stuff. But at least one more time, let's compare the reporting to reality.

"Florida teen who died of COVID-19 attended large church gathering, was given hydroxychloroquine at home" - ABC

"A high-risk Florida teen who died from covid-19 attended a hugh church party, then was given hydroxychloroquine by her parents, report says" - WaPo

"17-year-old girl dies of coronavirus after parents treated her with unapproved drugs" - TODAY

"Florida teen attended large church gathering, was given hydroxychloroquine by parents before dying from COVID-19, report says" - NBC

Ok, so clearly the two most important details of this story are 1) the teen contracted the virus from a church party and 2) her parents gave her a dangerous drug called hydroxychloroquine.

According to the Reporting

• A Florida church throws a "COVID Party" and invites everyone.
• A Florida teen attends the party and contracts the virus.
• Her parents try to treat her at home with hydroxychloroquine.
• Hydroxychloroquine is a deadly drug that is not approved for treating COVID-19, but has been promoted by Trump.
• The teen subsequently dies.
• You should be outraged.

But in Reality

• The person who broke the story and sent it viral was the Florida lady who was fired from the Department of Public Health for repeatedly making unauthorized statements to the media. The same lady who has claimed (without providing evidence) that her firing was because she refused to play along with some DPH conspiracy to manipulate the data. She is the one who posted screenshots of the mother's social media and labeled the church's get together a "COVID Party." She also conveniently left out the following relevant information:
• The teen's mother is a NURSE and her father is a PHYSICIAN'S ASSISTANT—they are both medical professionals.
• The teen was immuno-compromised due to having survived childhood cancer.
• Her parents, knowing her unique health status, still felt comfortable allowing her to attend the church get together.
• The church never referred to their activity day as a "COVID Party" as was initially reported.
• The teen became ill and her parents began a six day treatment of the antibiotic azithromycin on the same day as the church party. (Meaning the teen almost certainly did not contract the virus from the church party.)
• Her parents had an oxygen machine in the home along with other medical equipment and were monitoring her vitals continuously from the moment she became ill.
• Her medical professional parents were in contact with physicians while "treating her from home" because, again, they are both medical professionals and had most of the relevant equipment in their home.
• At one point, her parents gave her a single dose of hydroxychloroquine.
• When her condition worsened, her parents initially opted to go with a form of plasma therapy over intubation. When that failed, they went to intubation. Sadly, that failed too and the teen passed away.
• Now the parents and the church are getting doxxed and attacked by the mob for "killing" the teen.

I wonder who the person that "broke" the story will be voting for.

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

I've got to stop reading this stuff. But at least one more time, let's compare the reporting to reality.

"Florida teen who died of COVID-19 attended large church gathering, was given hydroxychloroquine at home" - ABC

"A high-risk Florida teen who died from covid-19 attended a hugh church party, then was given hydroxychloroquine by her parents, report says" - WaPo

"17-year-old girl dies of coronavirus after parents treated her with unapproved drugs" - TODAY

"Florida teen attended large church gathering, was given hydroxychloroquine by parents before dying from COVID-19, report says" - NBC

Ok, so clearly the two most important details of this story are 1) the teen contracted the virus from a church party and 2) her parents gave her a dangerous drug called hydroxychloroquine.

According to the Reporting

• A Florida church throws a "COVID Party" and invites everyone.
• A Florida teen attends the party and contracts the virus.
• Her parents try to treat her at home with hydroxychloroquine.
• Hydroxychloroquine is a deadly drug that is not approved for treating COVID-19, but has been promoted by Trump.
• The teen subsequently dies.
• You should be outraged.

But in Reality

• The person who broke the story and sent it viral was the Florida lady who was fired from the Department of Public Health for repeatedly making unauthorized statements to the media. The same lady who has claimed (without providing evidence) that her firing was because she refused to play along with some DPH conspiracy to manipulate the data. She is the one who posted screenshots of the mother's social media and labeled the church's get together a "COVID Party." She also conveniently left out the following relevant information:
• The teen's mother is a NURSE and her father is a PHYSICIAN'S ASSISTANT—they are both medical professionals.
• The teen was immuno-compromised due to having survived childhood cancer.
• Her parents, knowing her unique health status, still felt comfortable allowing her to attend the church get together.
• The church never referred to their activity day as a "COVID Party" as was initially reported.
• The teen became ill and her parents began a six day treatment of the antibiotic azithromycin on the same day as the church party. (Meaning the teen almost certainly did not contract the virus from the church party.)
• Her parents had an oxygen machine in the home along with other medical equipment and were monitoring her vitals continuously from the moment she became ill.
  [*]Her medical professional parents were in contact with physicians while "treating her from home" because, again, they are both medical professionals and had most of the relevant equipment in their home.
• At one point, her parents gave her a single dose of hydroxychloroquine.
• When her condition worsened, her parents initially opted to go with a form of plasma therapy over intubation. When that failed, they went to intubation. Sadly, that failed too and the teen passed away.
• Now the parents and the church are getting doxxed and attacked by the mob for "killing" the teen.

There's still something about this part that doesn't sound right to me.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by cnewby

I wonder who the person that "broke" the story will be voting for.

I mean, I'm right there with Sleeper and JDan and Heel—Trump is a terrible president.

He also has nothing to do with this teen, her treatment, or her death.

And yet every article devotes at least a paragraph to Trump having promoted the drug, despite hydroxychloroquine playing no significant role in the teen's treatment or eventual death.

This is insanity.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

I mean, I'm right there with Sleeper and JDan and Heel—Trump is a terrible president.

He also has nothing to do with this teen, her treatment, or her death.

And yet every article devotes at least a paragraph to Trump having promoted the drug, despite hydroxychloroquine playing no significant role in the teen's treatment or eventual death.

This is insanity.

Are you surprised?

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by trixstar

It’s my opinion that turning the police into a military complex is a bad idea.

Agreed. Police are meant to protect and serve.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

I've got to stop reading this stuff. But at least one more time, let's compare the reporting to reality.

"Florida teen who died of COVID-19 attended large church gathering, was given hydroxychloroquine at home" - ABC

"A high-risk Florida teen who died from covid-19 attended a hugh church party, then was given hydroxychloroquine by her parents, report says" - WaPo

"17-year-old girl dies of coronavirus after parents treated her with unapproved drugs" - TODAY

"Florida teen attended large church gathering, was given hydroxychloroquine by parents before dying from COVID-19, report says" - NBC

Ok, so clearly the two most important details of this story are 1) the teen contracted the virus from a church party and 2) her parents gave her a dangerous drug called hydroxychloroquine.

According to the Reporting

• A Florida church throws a "COVID Party" and invites everyone.
• A Florida teen attends the party and contracts the virus.
• Her parents try to treat her at home with hydroxychloroquine.
• Hydroxychloroquine is a deadly drug that is not approved for treating COVID-19, but has been promoted by Trump.
• The teen subsequently dies.
• You should be outraged.

But in Reality

• The person who broke the story and sent it viral was the Florida lady who was fired from the Department of Public Health for repeatedly making unauthorized statements to the media. The same lady who has claimed (without providing evidence) that her firing was because she refused to play along with some DPH conspiracy to manipulate the data. She is the one who posted screenshots of the mother's social media and labeled the church's get together a "COVID Party." She also conveniently left out the following relevant information:
• The teen's mother is a NURSE and her father is a PHYSICIAN'S ASSISTANT—they are both medical professionals.
• The teen was immuno-compromised due to having survived childhood cancer.
• Her parents, knowing her unique health status, still felt comfortable allowing her to attend the church get together.
• The church never referred to their activity day as a "COVID Party" as was initially reported.
• The teen became ill and her parents began a six day treatment of the antibiotic azithromycin on the same day as the church party. (Meaning the teen almost certainly did not contract the virus from the church party.)
• Her parents had an oxygen machine in the home along with other medical equipment and were monitoring her vitals continuously from the moment she became ill.
• Her medical professional parents were in contact with physicians while "treating her from home" because, again, they are both medical professionals and had most of the relevant equipment in their home.
• At one point, her parents gave her a single dose of hydroxychloroquine.
• When her condition worsened, her parents initially opted to go with a form of plasma therapy over intubation. When that failed, they went to intubation. Sadly, that failed too and the teen passed away.
• Now the parents and the church are getting doxxed and attacked by the mob for "killing" the teen.

It's a major bummer that literally nothing is off limits. A young girl died? Awesome! Let's see how we can spin that to make the president look bad.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

I've got to stop reading this stuff. But at least one more time, let's compare the reporting to reality.

"Florida teen who died of COVID-19 attended large church gathering, was given hydroxychloroquine at home" - ABC

"A high-risk Florida teen who died from covid-19 attended a hugh church party, then was given hydroxychloroquine by her parents, report says" - WaPo

"17-year-old girl dies of coronavirus after parents treated her with unapproved drugs" - TODAY

"Florida teen attended large church gathering, was given hydroxychloroquine by parents before dying from COVID-19, report says" - NBC

Ok, so clearly the two most important details of this story are 1) the teen contracted the virus from a church party and 2) her parents gave her a dangerous drug called hydroxychloroquine.

According to the Reporting

• A Florida church throws a "COVID Party" and invites everyone.
• A Florida teen attends the party and contracts the virus.
• Her parents try to treat her at home with hydroxychloroquine.
• Hydroxychloroquine is a deadly drug that is not approved for treating COVID-19, but has been promoted by Trump.
• The teen subsequently dies.
• You should be outraged.

But in Reality

• The person who broke the story and sent it viral was the Florida lady who was fired from the Department of Public Health for repeatedly making unauthorized statements to the media. The same lady who has claimed (without providing evidence) that her firing was because she refused to play along with some DPH conspiracy to manipulate the data. She is the one who posted screenshots of the mother's social media and labeled the church's get together a "COVID Party." She also conveniently left out the following relevant information:
• The teen's mother is a NURSE and her father is a PHYSICIAN'S ASSISTANT—they are both medical professionals.
• The teen was immuno-compromised due to having survived childhood cancer.
• Her parents, knowing her unique health status, still felt comfortable allowing her to attend the church get together.
• The church never referred to their activity day as a "COVID Party" as was initially reported.
• The teen became ill and her parents began a six day treatment of the antibiotic azithromycin on the same day as the church party. (Meaning the teen almost certainly did not contract the virus from the church party.)
• Her parents had an oxygen machine in the home along with other medical equipment and were monitoring her vitals continuously from the moment she became ill.
• Her medical professional parents were in contact with physicians while "treating her from home" because, again, they are both medical professionals and had most of the relevant equipment in their home.
• At one point, her parents gave her a single dose of hydroxychloroquine.
• When her condition worsened, her parents initially opted to go with a form of plasma therapy over intubation. When that failed, they went to intubation. Sadly, that failed too and the teen passed away.
• Now the parents and the church are getting doxxed and attacked by the mob for "killing" the teen.

My only question is why do people even watch/read the news anymore? I come on this forum for my news so I can understand both sides. I feel even if I watch Fox and CNN about the same issue, I'm still more informed on here.

[TheFrenzy]

Here's what it feel like when as a non-partisan American:

It's like being Thor and FOX News has been Loki, but now the rest of the media has assembled like the Infinity Stones in Thanos' gauntlet.

It actually makes you miss the days of just fighting Loki.

I by no means consider conservative media to be anything other than a deceptive trickster like Loki and in many ways (just like Loki) they are partially responsible for bringing out the current End Game we find ourselves in—but they are definitely the lesser evil. And while I fully expect, should we survive this, that FOX/Loki will immediately return to their old form and stab me in the back, right now I'm only focused on the Mad Titan Media.

That's probably the best way I can describe it.

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Here's what it feel like when as a non-partisan American:

It's like being Thor and FOX News has been Loki, but now the rest of the media has assembled like the Infinity Stones in Thanos' gauntlet.

It actually makes you miss the days of just fighting Loki.

I by no means consider conservative media to be anything other than a deceptive trickster like Loki and in many ways (just like Loki) they are partially responsible for bringing out the current End Game we find ourselves in—but they are definitely the lesser evil. And while I fully expect, should we survive this, that FOX/Loki will immediately return to their old form and stab me in the back, right now I'm only focused on the Mad Titan Media.

That's probably the best way I can describe it.

Nerd alert!!!

Just kidding. I understand exactly what you're trying to say. So, I guess I'm a nerd as well.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

It's a major bummer that literally nothing is off limits. A young girl died? Awesome! Let's see how we can spin that to make the president look bad.

What hits me in the gut is the fact that you've got two parents who have spent over a decade caring for a daughter with unique health risks.

Two parents who every single day have had to make the decision between keeping their daughter as safe as possible and still letting her have a life.

Two parents who have probably endured hundreds of arguments and fights and tears while telling their teenage daughter that she has to miss out on yet another thing that all of her friends are doing.

Two parents who, after months of keeping their daughter absolutely locked down, finally felt that this particular event was safe enough for their daughter to get out of the house and be around her friends.

Two parents who, as medical professionals, made treatment decisions based on the best available information.

Two parents who are now burying a daughter while the entire world hisses at them and blames them for "killing" their child.

What is that Star Trek quote? “It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness; that is life.”

It feels like the world has forgotten this.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by mike1498

My only question is why do people even watch/read the news anymore? I come on this forum for my news so I can understand both sides. I feel even if I watch Fox and CNN about the same issue, I'm still more informed on here.

Honestly, people think they're getting an honest take when they turn on the news. I tried explaining some of the media bias with BLM and how using anecdotes to drive a narrative is no bueno, and then provided some numbers. "You don't understand. You're not black." WTF?

I'm a member of a local community forum. I rarely use it because it's mostly pointless, but there is useful updates that get posted every now and then. Anyway, after someone recently posted the new PA mandate for social distancing and masks and all that, I tried explaining that Coronavirus isn't the lethal soul snatching virus it's made out to be and that early governor mismanagement regarding nursing homes is what has the death numbers in the USA way above where they should reasonably be. If you're concerned, be cautious. If you're not concerned, try to be responsible, but it's not a big deal if you want to go hang with your besties. I couldn't even begin to start a conversation with any of these people. "RECKLESS YOUNG PEOPLE ARE TRANSMITTING THE VIRUS! RAWR!" Nobody cared for any of the data that I posted from state websites. I got nowhere... with anyone.

Even if you try to have these discussions on BO outside of the OT Politics thread, most of the takes are terribly uninformed. I don't have a problem with ignorance, but when you go around spouting your nonsense as if it's gospel when you haven't dug into the details, that's irresponsible. As chaotic as this thread can be, and as much bias as is often displayed in here, the takes are 100x more informed than anything I can get anywhere else.

I guess my point is that most people just don't know any better and do think they're getting honest news from their source of choice. I agree that going to CNN and FoxNews doesn't do much. You're not getting both sides for a balanced take. You're getting sh** and more sh**. That doesn't mean everything that those outlets put out there is false, but most of it is heavily biased garbage with little actual truth, and the average idiot doesn't ever question any of it.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

What hits me in the gut is the fact that you've got two parents who have spent over a decade caring for a daughter with unique health risks.

Two parents who every single day have had to make the decision between keeping their daughter as safe as possible and still letting her have a life.

Two parents who have probably endured hundreds of arguments and fights and tears while telling their teenage daughter that she has to miss out on yet another thing that all of her friends are doing.

Two parents who, after months of keeping their daughter absolutely locked down, finally felt that this particular event was safe enough for their daughter to get out of the house and be around her friends.

Two parents who, as medical professionals, made treatment decisions based on the best available information.

Two parents who are now burying a daughter while the entire world hisses at them and blames them for "killing" their child.

What is that Star Trek quote? “It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness; that is life.”

It feels like the world has forgotten this.

Well said. Actually got the feels going on over here. I can't think of anything more tragic for me personally than losing one of my children, and if that ever happened, I'd hope that at my lowest point, those around me wouldn't use it as an opportunity to kick me while I was down. Stuff like this makes me go back and forth between wanting the best for humanity and wanting absolutely nothing to do with anyone because of how vile we can be.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

Honestly, people think they're getting an honest take when they turn on the news. I tried explaining some of the media bias with BLM and how using anecdotes to drive a narrative is no bueno, and then provided some numbers. "You don't understand. You're not black." WTF?

I'm a member of a local community forum. I rarely use it because it's mostly pointless, but there is useful updates that get posted every now and then. Anyway, after someone recently posted the new PA mandate for social distancing and masks and all that, I tried explaining that Coronavirus isn't the lethal soul snatching virus it's made out to be and that early governor mismanagement regarding nursing homes is what has the death numbers in the USA way above where they should reasonably be. If you're concerned, be cautious. If you're not concerned, try to be responsible, but it's not a big deal if you want to go hang with your besties. I couldn't even begin to start a conversation with any of these people. "RECKLESS YOUNG PEOPLE ARE TRANSMITTING THE VIRUS! RAWR!" Nobody cared for any of the data that I posted from state websites. I got nowhere... with anyone.

Even if you try to have these discussions on BO outside of the OT Politics thread, most of the takes are terribly uninformed. I don't have a problem with ignorance, but when you go around spouting your nonsense as if it's gospel when you haven't dug into the details, that's irresponsible. As chaotic as this thread can be, and as much bias as is often displayed in here, the takes are 100x more informed than anything I can get anywhere else.

I guess my point is that most people just don't know any better and do think they're getting honest news from their source of choice. I agree that going to CNN and FoxNews doesn't do much. You're not getting both sides for a balanced take. You're getting sh** and more sh**. That doesn't mean everything that those outlets put out there is false, but most of it is heavily biased garbage with little actual truth, and the average idiot doesn't ever question any of it.

Yeah I think most people are afraid to be wrong is the problem. I post exactly as I feel. If I'm wrong and someone is more educated, they can change my thought process. Because the news doesn't make you think, people who don't discuss politics don't have an opinion so it's whatever they watched last night. I've only posted on here for a couple months but some people would probably be surprised of some of my old opinions. I don't post links like some people here do (unless it's citing a stat) because if I can't explain something in my own words, I don't understand it.

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by mike1498

Yeah I think most people are afraid to be wrong is the problem. I post exactly as I feel. If I'm wrong and someone is more educated, they can change my thought process. Because the news doesn't make you think, people who don't discuss politics don't have an opinion so it's whatever they watched last night. I've only posted on here for a couple months but some people would probably be surprised of some of my old opinions. I don't post links like some people here do (unless it's citing a stat) because if I can't explain something in my own words, I don't understand it.

It is a very healthy attitude to be able to change your opinion.

[Dielon]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

I've got to stop reading this stuff. But at least one more time, let's compare the reporting to reality.

"Florida teen who died of COVID-19 attended large church gathering, was given hydroxychloroquine at home" - ABC

"A high-risk Florida teen who died from covid-19 attended a hugh church party, then was given hydroxychloroquine by her parents, report says" - WaPo

"17-year-old girl dies of coronavirus after parents treated her with unapproved drugs" - TODAY

"Florida teen attended large church gathering, was given hydroxychloroquine by parents before dying from COVID-19, report says" - NBC

Ok, so clearly the two most important details of this story are 1) the teen contracted the virus from a church party and 2) her parents gave her a dangerous drug called hydroxychloroquine.

According to the Reporting

• A Florida church throws a "COVID Party" and invites everyone.
• A Florida teen attends the party and contracts the virus.
• Her parents try to treat her at home with hydroxychloroquine.
• Hydroxychloroquine is a deadly drug that is not approved for treating COVID-19, but has been promoted by Trump.
• The teen subsequently dies.
• You should be outraged.

But in Reality

• The person who broke the story and sent it viral was the Florida lady who was fired from the Department of Public Health for repeatedly making unauthorized statements to the media. The same lady who has claimed (without providing evidence) that her firing was because she refused to play along with some DPH conspiracy to manipulate the data. She is the one who posted screenshots of the mother's social media and labeled the church's get together a "COVID Party." She also conveniently left out the following relevant information:
• The teen's mother is a NURSE and her father is a PHYSICIAN'S ASSISTANT—they are both medical professionals.
• The teen was immuno-compromised due to having survived childhood cancer.
• Her parents, knowing her unique health status, still felt comfortable allowing her to attend the church get together.
• The church never referred to their activity day as a "COVID Party" as was initially reported.
• The teen became ill and her parents began a six day treatment of the antibiotic azithromycin on the same day as the church party. (Meaning the teen almost certainly did not contract the virus from the church party.)
• Her parents had an oxygen machine in the home along with other medical equipment and were monitoring her vitals continuously from the moment she became ill.
• Her medical professional parents were in contact with physicians while "treating her from home" because, again, they are both medical professionals and had most of the relevant equipment in their home.
• At one point, her parents gave her a single dose of hydroxychloroquine.
• When her condition worsened, her parents initially opted to go with a form of plasma therapy over intubation. When that failed, they went to intubation. Sadly, that failed too and the teen passed away.
• Now the parents and the church are getting doxxed and attacked by the mob for "killing" the teen.

Thanks for the read, this is what the media has degraded to. You cant take any media at face value anymore

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by Dielon

Thanks for the read, this is what the media has degraded to. You cant take any media at face value anymore

It is a rotten, scum-infested, profession.

[kerg]

Originally Posted by mike1498

My only question is why do people even watch/read the news anymore?

I've lost track of times where I'm talking to the wife and she will say 'did you read?' and I'll have to comment that I haven't researched the story to make sure if it was true.

[discostu]

The media hatred is comical and sad.

Why?

We created it.

The bulk of the media catered to the needs of the consumer...the masses. Us.

Stuffing our eyes and ears with "breaking news" because we clamored for it. Shying away from deeper, in-depth investigations because we no longer had the desire or attention span to read it.

We asked for a constant barrage of little tidbits easy to consume.

And now we're shocked that bias and opinion come into the picture?

Embarrassing.

All news isn't corrupt, bad, slanted or full of misinformation.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by discostu

The media hatred is comical and sad.

Why?

We created it.

The bulk of the media catered to the needs of the consumer...the masses. Us.

Stuffing our eyes and ears with "breaking news" because we clamored for it. Shying away from deeper, in-depth investigations because we no longer had the desire or attention span to read it.

We asked for a constant barrage of little tidbits easy to consume.

And now we're shocked that bias and opinion come into the picture?

Embarrassing.

All news isn't corrupt, bad, slanted or full of misinformation.

I would push back a bit here.

The dominant argument regarding climate change is that it is a supply-side issue. We're told that consumers should not feel guilty because it is the profit-obssesed corporations who are corrupting our politics and destroying the planet.

If that's the case, then I don't think we can so easily abandon the supply-side argument when it comes to the media and its pollution.

(Although personally I believe it's a mix of both.)

[rman112]

Originally Posted by discostu

The media hatred is comical and sad.

Why?

We created it.

The bulk of the media catered to the needs of the consumer...the masses. Us.

Stuffing our eyes and ears with "breaking news" because we clamored for it. Shying away from deeper, in-depth investigations because we no longer had the desire or attention span to read it.

We asked for a constant barrage of little tidbits easy to consume.

And now we're shocked that bias and opinion come into the picture?

Embarrassing.

All news isn't corrupt, bad, slanted or full of misinformation.

Why do you defend the media so hard?

You claiming to be non-partisan is being as full of crap as the media that you defend.

[Astros19]

The media hasn't become biased just since FOX has been around.
It's been biased for decades.

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[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Just tossing this out here because it's something I'm keeping an eye on: The wall between anti-fascism and anti-Semitism can be surprisingly thin is certain places.

First you start with the pivot from removing the images of those directly involved with slavery to the removal of anything associated with someone's idea of "white supremacy."



And now that we're not afraid to begin going after religious groups, we factor in the mixed relationship between the Jewish and African American communities that was characterized by both cooperation and conflict.

To shamelessly quote Wikipedia:

Some leaders of the black community have publicly made anti-Semitic comments, expressing anti-Semitic opinions that are held by a wider circle of some blacks, accusing Jews of over-aggressiveness in business relations, loyalty to Israel (rather than loyalty to the United States), alleged participation in the slave trade, and economic oppression.[76] Some analysts attribute black anti-Semitism to resentment or envy "directed at another underdog who has 'made it' in American society".

In 1935 during the Great Depression, Black activist Sufi Abdul Hamid led boycotts against certain Harlem merchants and establishments (often owned by Jewish proprietors) which he claimed discriminated against blacks. Some Jews accused him of anti-Semitism for these activities.

In 1984 presidential candidate Jesse Jackson and former United Nations ambassador Andrew Young made anti-Semitic comments, which were widely publicized. These remarks were thought to have extended the era of African-American and Jewish distrust into the 1980s.

In 1991 in Brooklyn, a black mob that was involved in the Crown Heights riot killed Yankel Rosenbaum, an Orthodox Jew, after a car that was driven by a Jew hit and killed a black boy in the neighborhood. Some commentators believed that the unrest was related to anti-Semitism. The two ethnic groups live in close proximity to each other in this neighborhood, and the Orthodox Jewish community has been expanding.

During the 1990s, anti-Semitism became widespread in black communities on college campuses, where new historical studies revealed more data on Jewish participation in the slave trade, with some commentators claiming that they had dominated it....

According to surveys that were begun in 1964 by the Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish organization, African Americans are significantly more likely to hold antisemitic beliefs than white Americans are. There is a strong correlation between higher education levels and the rejection of anti-Semitic stereotypes among members of all races. Black Americans of all educational levels are significantly more likely to be anti-Semitic than whites with the same educational level.

In the 1998 survey, blacks (34%) were nearly four times as likely as whites (9%) to have answers that identified them as belonging in the most anti-Semitic category (those agreeing with at least 6 out of 11 statements that were potentially or clearly antisemitic).

Add to this the ongoing argument that Israel and Zionism are manifestations of white supremacy, and there's a non-zero probability that the ongoing cultural purge could start to venture into some dangerous territory.



TL;DR - The current trend of destroying anything associated with slavery, white supremacy, and black oppression means that factors such as black anti-Semitism, the belief among many that the Jews financed and dominated the slave trade, the willingness to go after religious groups, and argument that Israel and Zionism are manifestations of colonialism/genocide/white supremacy/the oppression of people of color could produce the very fascist outcomes that antifascists claim to oppose.

What happens when people want to tear down Holocaust memorials because the memory of that event has now been used to justify the colonization, genocide, and oppression of people of color in Palestine for 70+ years?

June 22?

Looks like I was a bit early with this post......

Former NFL player Larry Johnson going off the deep end right now tweeting out how Jews pray to Satan.