2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP - Page 1023

ballhawkdawk · 07-08-2020, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jdandns

Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.
We get that one a lot.

He said what I’ve said before. Just got my voter registration in the mail yesterday. I’m not sure why this is a difficult thing for you to believe.

mattglet · 07-08-2020, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Astros19

I'm not sure why you're arguing over the processor and what they do, as that's not in question.
The debate was over BLM's political leanings and where they're spending said donations.
I posted it because the opening page states "10,822,459#@Democratic donors" which would give credence to their clientele.
I tend to believe their causes lean a tad liberal and it's fair to say if they're investing in causes it's probably not a conservative cause.
Do you disagree with that?

But that's the point - you're talking about two different things, which were not being talked about within the same conversation. You brought up donations, which Geech and I were specifically addressing. Those donations cannot be used towards political campaigns.

I realize you also asked about Geech's thoughts around whether or not he believes BLM is a progressive entity or a conservative entity. He didn't answer. Or are you taking a long road around to try to show him how BLM is a progressive entity? It's fine if so, I'm just showing you how this is confusing (at least to me anyway).

gopherfan · 07-08-2020, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by cnewby

98.6% of BLM political donations have gone to democrats. But I'm sure you already knew that. Feel free to move the goalposts again.

I was going to post this because I have seen it numerous times online. It isn't true.

ballhawkdawk · 07-08-2020, 08:18 AM

BLM is giving the money to liberal causes that are donating it to the Democratic Party. There’s the loophole. I just know it. Who paid for Kaepernick’s race car when he doesn’t even have a job!?!?

blackbears86 · 07-08-2020, 08:21 AM

Question for everyone here:

Are you seriously worried about this country becoming socialist/marxist?

I consider myself a republican at heart, and extremely fiscally conservative, but even if biden wins----I don't see it happening, and to me it's not even close.

Why? Because the real people in power have money, and LOTS of it. And they want to keep that money. There is no way in hell the big corporations, insurers, banks, and wealthy billionaires with all their power and influence will let that happen.

Sure, there might be some minor changes, but I'm not seeing a huge shift. And this is IF biden wins. (and I think he won't)

thoughts? Opinions?

blackbears86 · 07-08-2020, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

BLM is giving the money to liberal causes that are donating it to the Democratic Party. There’s the loophole. I just know it. Who paid for Kaepernick’s race car when he doesn’t even have a job!?!?

How old is the pic of him in the race car? He did make some decent coin when he played in the NFL.

blackbears86 · 07-08-2020, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by gopherfan

I was going to post this because I have seen it numerous times online. It isn't true.

yup.....Not sure where newby got that number.

mattglet · 07-08-2020, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

BLM is giving the money to liberal causes that are donating it to the Democratic Party. There’s the loophole. I just know it. Who paid for Kaepernick’s race car when he doesn’t even have a job!?!?

You're better than conspiracies. Can you prove the "loophole"? I'll be first in line to acknowledge it if it's true, but until then...

tpeichel34 · 07-08-2020, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TheHeel

What would be even more awkward is the photo that all the former and current POTUS take early on in a new POTUS tenure. At least Jimmy Carter won’t be the guy on the end anymore.

Carter, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, who ever is next. What a treat that would be.

Someone with Photoshop skills, add Trump in there. Maybe a panoramic because he will be situated away? Or Trump with Putin. Maybe Trump down the street while the other POTUS congregate due to the fact that none of them like Trump’s clown azz.

Trump is at war with the establishment Uniparty of Clinton/Bush/Obama, so he wouldn’t fit in anyway.

pac213up · 07-08-2020, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

Question for everyone here:
Are you seriously worried about this country becoming socialist/marxist?

Absolutely not and you pointed out why. Corporations and $$ run this country. When something swings too hard in one direction a correction will happen. The $$ in this country will absolutely not let a true wealth redistribution happen. It makes for good political rhetoric and scare tactics though.

ballhawkdawk · 07-08-2020, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

How old is the pic of him in the race car? He did make some decent coin when he played in the NFL.

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Originally Posted by mattglet

You're better than conspiracies. Can you prove the "loophole"? I'll be first in line to acknowledge it if it's true, but until then...

I was just messing around, dudes. I think Geech and Matt provided a pretty thorough explanation.

tpeichel34 · 07-08-2020, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

Question for everyone here:

Are you seriously worried about this country becoming socialist/marxist?

I consider myself a republican at heart, and extremely fiscally conservative, but even if biden wins----I don't see it happening, and to me it's not even close.

Why? Because the real people in power have money, and LOTS of it. And they want to keep that money. There is no way in hell the big corporations, insurers, banks, and wealthy billionaires with all their power and influence will let that happen.

Sure, there might be some minor changes, but I'm not seeing a huge shift. And this is IF biden wins. (and I think he won't)

thoughts? Opinions?

The people in power in a Marxist society always have plenty of money, that’s not a concern of theirs.

blackbears86 · 07-08-2020, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by tpeichel34

The people in power in a Marxist society always have plenty of money, that’s not a concern of theirs.

so what is their concern?

blackbears86 · 07-08-2020, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by pac213up

Absolutely not and you pointed out why. Corporations and $$ run this country. When something swings too hard in one direction a correction will happen. The $$ in this country will absolutely not let a true wealth redistribution happen. It makes for good political rhetoric and scare tactics though.

good point.

MIRRABB · 07-08-2020, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

Question for everyone here:

Are you seriously worried about this country becoming socialist/marxist?

I consider myself a republican at heart, and extremely fiscally conservative, but even if biden wins----I don't see it happening, and to me it's not even close.

Why? Because the real people in power have money, and LOTS of it. And they want to keep that money. There is no way in hell the big corporations, insurers, banks, and wealthy billionaires with all their power and influence will let that happen.

Sure, there might be some minor changes, but I'm not seeing a huge shift. And this is IF biden wins. (and I think he won't)

thoughts? Opinions?

It disturbs me this has to be repeated, but Joe Biden is literally a Neoliberal Centrist. And if you look at his history as a politician, he's a very right leaning one. He's borderline an establishment Republican politician. His positions historically have been quite similar to a guy like John McCain. Anyone using the terms "socialist/marxist" is relation to Joe Biden is so utterly clueless that they're not even worth arguing with.

mattglet · 07-08-2020, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

I was just messing around, dudes. I think Geech and Matt provided a pretty thorough explanation.

blackbears86 · 07-08-2020, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MIRRABB

It disturbs me this has to be repeated, but Joe Biden is literally a Neoliberal Centrist. And if you look at his history as a politician, he's a very right leaning one. He's borderline an establishment Republican politician. His positions historically have been quite similar to a guy like John McCain. Anyone using the terms "socialist/marxist" is relation to Joe Biden is so utterly clueless that they're not even worth arguing with.

I agree with you on biden for sure.

tpeichel34 · 07-08-2020, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

so what is their concern?

I’m just saying that most powerful, wealthy people do not have to be concerned about losing their money when going from the current system to a Marxist redistribution system because the people in power shower themselves with money.

tpeichel34 · 07-08-2020, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MIRRABB

It disturbs me this has to be repeated, but Joe Biden is literally a Neoliberal Centrist. And if you look at his history as a politician, he's a very right leaning one. He's borderline an establishment Republican politician. His positions historically have been quite similar to a guy like John McCain. Anyone using the terms "socialist/marxist" is relation to Joe Biden is so utterly clueless that they're not even worth arguing with.

Agreed.

With his current mental capacities, he’d simply be a figurehead though, and not controlling policy.

mike1498 · 07-08-2020, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

Question for everyone here:

Are you seriously worried about this country becoming socialist/marxist?

I consider myself a republican at heart, and extremely fiscally conservative, but even if biden wins----I don't see it happening, and to me it's not even close.

Why? Because the real people in power have money, and LOTS of it. And they want to keep that money. There is no way in hell the big corporations, insurers, banks, and wealthy billionaires with all their power and influence will let that happen.

Sure, there might be some minor changes, but I'm not seeing a huge shift. And this is IF biden wins. (and I think he won't)

thoughts? Opinions?

Biden is just saying what he has to say to get onto the democratic ticket. He’s flopped on the green deal multiple times and some other democratic ideas. I personally never viewed him as a Marxist and which I’ve credited him for when he called out Bernie and warren that their health programs aren’t realistic. That being said, because he’s flopped on almost everything he said I don’t really know what I’m getting from dementia man.

Yanks23 · 07-08-2020, 09:47 AM

Joe is being used to just win the election since they couldn't win with Bernie or Warren so he will pick a more left VP that will run the country by either him leaving willingly or they will use the 25th amendment to do it - they will have doctor say he is unfit for office.

trixstar · 07-08-2020, 10:01 AM

Maybe people aren’t as stupid as I think they are

https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-ins...oll_US_070820/

trixstar · 07-08-2020, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Yanks23

Joe is being used to just win the election since they couldn't win with Bernie or Warren so he will pick a more left VP that will run the country by either him leaving willingly or they will use the 25th amendment to do it - they will have doctor say he is unfit for office.

I mean do you honestly believe this? Life isn’t this complicated and isn’t this conspiracy filled adventure. Usually the easiest or simplest answer is the correct answer.

tpeichel34 · 07-08-2020, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by trixstar

Maybe people aren’t as stupid as I think they are

https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-ins...oll_US_070820/

Why would you consider people stupid for thinking that "defund the police" means spend less on law enforcement?

If that is not what they mean, it is horrible messaging. If you need to explain a slogan, it is a bad slogan.

ballhawkdawk · 07-08-2020, 10:10 AM

Police reform, defund the police, and abolish the police are all real messages that have been sent.

This is is real: https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...otion/2486658/

And if that’s what people want, cool. IDGAF. I’ll just make sure I live in an area with actual police instead of de-escalation gurus.

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Donald Trump	44	53.66%
Joe Biden	38	46.34%
Trump Wins Florida	44	53.66%
Biden Wins Florida	16	19.51%
Trump Wins Georgia	44	53.66%
Biden Wins Georgia	12	14.63%
Trump Wins Ohio	43	52.44%
Biden Wins Ohio	16	19.51%
Trump Wins Pennsylvania	27	32.93%
Biden Wins Pennsylvania	34	41.46%
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07-08-2020, 10:01 AM	#25572
trixstar Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Seattle Posts: 24,193 stunner316	2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP Maybe people aren’t as stupid as I think they are https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-ins...oll_US_070820/

07-08-2020, 08:18 AM	#25554
ballhawkdawk Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Downingtown, PA Posts: 7,485	BLM is giving the money to liberal causes that are donating it to the Democratic Party. There’s the loophole. I just know it. Who paid for Kaepernick’s race car when he doesn’t even have a job!?!?

07-08-2020, 08:21 AM	#25555
blackbears86 Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: maine Posts: 17,229 blackbears86	Question for everyone here: Are you seriously worried about this country becoming socialist/marxist? I consider myself a republican at heart, and extremely fiscally conservative, but even if biden wins----I don't see it happening, and to me it's not even close. Why? Because the real people in power have money, and LOTS of it. And they want to keep that money. There is no way in hell the big corporations, insurers, banks, and wealthy billionaires with all their power and influence will let that happen. Sure, there might be some minor changes, but I'm not seeing a huge shift. And this is IF biden wins. (and I think he won't) thoughts? Opinions?

07-08-2020, 09:47 AM	#25571
Yanks23 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: VEGAS Posts: 1,113 ellios23	Joe is being used to just win the election since they couldn't win with Bernie or Warren so he will pick a more left VP that will run the country by either him leaving willingly or they will use the 25th amendment to do it - they will have doctor say he is unfit for office.

07-08-2020, 10:10 AM	#25575
ballhawkdawk Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Downingtown, PA Posts: 7,485	Police reform, defund the police, and abolish the police are all real messages that have been sent. This is is real: https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...otion/2486658/ And if that’s what people want, cool. IDGAF. I’ll just make sure I live in an area with actual police instead of de-escalation gurus.