If PSA goes down, will it hurt the cost of graded cards?

[cking]

Originally Posted by yrozmaryn

Easy answer for PSA
“We grade hundreds of thousands of items per year and there will be cards missed and slipped thru the cracks. We apologize”

You would make a good politician......if there were such a thing

Question #2

What are your thoughts on PSA doubling down saying a card is not trimmed when they are given photographic evidence that it is trimmed.

That is not a mistake because they grade so many items is it?

[superdan49]

When I first left the Hobby in 2001, modern BGS-graded cards unequivocally sold for more than their PSA grade equivalents. I believe BGS also had stricter grading standards back then, hence the slight premiums even today for so-called BGS old labels.

[forgiven1]

I also remember when BGS was top of the food chain. Then PSA then SGC.

[gomiamigo]

Originally Posted by Beavers98

BGS 100% outsold PSA for many years. I know as I put together PSA and BGS graded Finest and Chrome sets. I have more PSA sets as they were cheaper to get...

Then came the set registry and it all changed. PSA apologists then multiplied by the 1,000's.

This is exactly right. I remember coming back to the hobby and BGS prices dominating PSA on modern stuff.

And BGS dropped their standards, which obviously backfired.

[gomiamigo]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

PSA 10 Henderson rookies are not $30k . You could have done a 5 second search on eBay to find that

You sure about that chief?

So many posters itt completely and 100% wrong and foolishly correcting people about things they know nothing about.

[RyanMW]

Originally Posted by gomiamigo

You sure about that chief?

So many posters itt completely and 100% wrong and foolishly correcting people about things they know nothing about.

lol i noticed that. I was embarrassed for a moment because the $30k was off of memory from one of Vintage Card Curator's YT videos. Then another user came to smack him w/ some stats and that felt nice lol.

[nrm1977]

Originally Posted by superdan49

When I first left the Hobby in 2001, modern BGS-graded cards unequivocally sold for more than their PSA grade equivalents. I believe BGS also had stricter grading standards back then, hence the slight premiums even today for so-called BGS old labels.

You are 100% Dan. BGS back then was much more stricter. BGS slabs sold for more than PSA's. How the tides have changed.

[cking]

Originally Posted by RyanMW

lol i noticed that. I was embarrassed for a moment because the $30k was off of memory from one of Vintage Card Curator's YT videos. Then another user came to smack him w/ some stats and that felt nice lol.

I enjoy a good stat smacking

[RyanMW]

Originally Posted by cking

I enjoy a good stat smacking

You're the man.

[Timo]

Originally Posted by pejc300

For modern BGS was easily outselling PSA at least past 2012. I can remember “settling” for PSA 10 nick foles and russell Wilson contenders back then when I couldn’t get a BGS 9.5. BGS was absolutely the king of modern maybe even until 2014 or around then. PSA definitely had the vintage market though. I am worried the gap between BGS and PSA is widening too much now such that BGS might one day be viewed like SCD was when I first got back into the hobby in 2010.

Yep, when I left the hobby, BGS was by far the King back then. I got back into the hobby a few years ago and couldn't believe that PSA dethroned BGS. It's still weird to me.

[leftoverlumpia]

this sub is giving me to much anxiety lol. can we just agree that aesthetically bgs case looks better than psa case.

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[Stackfan]

I'm in the camp.... that BGS indeed did sell more than PSA for Modern years back. It was much closer with a BGS 9.5 being close to the close 10. Sometimes a PSA 10 would go for more or vice versa. Maybe a 10-15% price difference. Most "hardcore" collectors preferred the look for BGS for modern.


Fast forward to today.... i honestly do not get the hobby, and i really think it's just the lack of understanding about the hobby. Believe it or not... a PSA 10 can get a BGS 9.... and BGS 9 can get a PSA 10! It' VERY subjective that grader. I like that BGS gives subgrades, which you can easily see where if any flaws are. Most flaws in cards are very minor, as most cards submitted are "pack fresh". A PSA 10, SHOULD be really good... but from the ones i've purchased some have noticeable flaws. Gotta go with the grading company you trust. (If you want to grade) It's not like PSA 10 are that uncommon. It's not like a BGS 10. The main thing that boggles my mind, is a PSA 10 going to 2x-3X a BGS Gem mint. They need/want for that PSA 10 over the BGS 9.5 is nuts. At the end of the day, it doesn't really impact me, as i'm sticking with BGS and the cards i want are at a realistic price. Sounds like most "hardcore" collectors and PSA fans, prefer the case. I get that. Paying 2-3X over another gem mint...yikes.


I actually could see PSA eventually doing a Mint plus 9.5. There's quite a big difference between 8's , 9's and 10's In my opinion, BGS seems to categorize 8.5, 9.0, 9.5's and 10's the best, and is the most consistent. BGS 10, no flaws, BGS 9.5 Extremely minor flaw, but for the most unnoticeable, 9 1 minor flaw, 8.5 - 1-2 flaws.

From what i've seen with PSA: 10 -Extremely minor flaw to one flaw. 9 - One noticeable flaw and one minor. 8 - very noticeable flaws.

My rank in terms of grading flaws

BGS 10 & Black Label
PSA 10 & BGS 9.5 equal
BGS 9
PSA 9
BGS 8.5