Price Check- MJ 8x10 Auto Value

dasiegel · 06-09-2020, 10:38 AM

Kobemagee's, not mine:

allenforever3 · 06-09-2020, 02:00 PM

To be honest, this is a fake Jordan autograph.

pyrexswerve · 06-09-2020, 02:21 PM

Fake.
Darren Rovell recently made a tweet about his:
https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/sta...494497281?s=20

kobemagee29 · 06-09-2020, 06:59 PM

it's your opinions that it is fake, but i'm not convinced it is...
Your saying anyone that got something like this in the mail from Greg, got a fake auto? Maybe but i'm not seeing why they would waste time sending out fakes with a letter.

3124508 on COMC · 06-09-2020, 07:04 PM

$25 to some poor sap

Who is Wildman?

Dontom · 06-09-2020, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kobemagee29

it's your opinions that it is fake, but i'm not convinced it is...
Your saying anyone that got something like this in the mail from Greg, got a fake auto? Maybe but i'm not seeing why they would waste time sending out fakes with a letter.

I think he's saying that it's fake because it does not look like any real Jordan autograph that anyone's ever seen.

asujbl · 06-09-2020, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kobemagee29

it's your opinions that it is fake, but i'm not convinced it is...
Your saying anyone that got something like this in the mail from Greg, got a fake auto? Maybe but i'm not seeing why they would waste time sending out fakes with a letter.

Greg was a 28 year old season ticket salesman at the time... he was assigned to responding to fan mail and ticket holders

I’ve worked in professional sports with those 28 year olds

Look him up on LinkedIn. That’s what he was.

It’s fake

whoaitsg33 · 06-09-2020, 08:04 PM

depends when it was signed? jordan’s early autographs is similar to the one above.

oldgoldy97 · 06-09-2020, 08:11 PM

I’ll bid $3.50.

kobemagee29 · 06-09-2020, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asujbl

Greg was a 28 year old season ticket salesman at the time... he was assigned to responding to fan mail and ticket holders

I’ve worked in professional sports with those 28 year olds

Look him up on LinkedIn. That’s what he was.

It’s fake

I already looked him up a few years ago, not sure how his job with the Bulls would not allow him to get autographs from Michael. Again, I cant say its fake or real, but again, I don't see the point of wasting postage and time on fake autographs.

asujbl · 06-09-2020, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kobemagee29

I already looked him up a few years ago, not sure how his job with the Bulls would not allow him to get autographs from Michael. Again, I cant say its fake or real, but again, I don't see the point of wasting postage and time on fake autographs.

Because it’s like every other TTM and fan club on the planet?

kobemagee29 · 06-09-2020, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

Because it’s like every other TTM and fan club on the planet?

I guess its true, we learn something new every day. Thanks for letting know this new information.

kobemagee29 · 06-09-2020, 09:22 PM

I did find Greg's email address and sent him a email

kobemagee29 · 06-09-2020, 09:52 PM

Hard to believe but Greg actually replied to my email. And it was very fast!! I asked if it was a real MJ auto photo he sent "wildman"
I believe so. It was in my early days with the Bulls and we had all our players signed their own photos which we could use for clients and fans.#@

By the way, just wonder why did Bill “Wildman” give away this gift I gave to him? Did he sell it to you?

And I'm also very surprised after over 28 years, that Greg would actually remember this & wildman's actual first name.

Spink · 06-10-2020, 01:54 AM

The plot thickens

rogermaris · 06-10-2020, 05:04 AM

I've spent a lot of time studying Jordan's signature and I would not be nearly so quick to dismiss this autograph as fake. Keep in mind Jordan's autograph went through A TON of transformations between 1988-1994, and OP's auto has a lot of consistencies with authentic exemplars.

I'm familiar with a lot of the secretarial Jordan signatures, including the ones Rovell tweeted about, and this doesn't match any that I know of. None of the secretarial signatures matched Jordan's slant and style so closely. If it is a secretarial signature, it's hands down the best I've ever seen.

Here are some early Jordan autographs from my archive next to OP's auto:

I think the main thing throwing people off is the elongated 'J' in 'Jordan'. But it was not unheard of him to sign his last name this way, even later in his career. Here's an example from one of his contracts that illustrates this well:

3124508 on COMC · 06-10-2020, 05:30 AM

Strong resemblance to the David/Daniel auto, but not the other three imo.

3124508 on COMC · 06-10-2020, 05:39 AM

The other three all look like they were signed well before 92 though.

rogermaris · 06-10-2020, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

The other three all look like they were signed well before 92 though.

They were, but I included them as exemplars because they maintain the same angles and relative proportions as OP's auto. Again, for what it's worth, I've never seen a Jordan secretarial signature with so many features consistent with the real thing.

I would not be surprised if this were to pass 3rd party. No guarantees, but definitely worth sending in IMO.

LC2nine10 · 06-10-2020, 07:32 AM

CoachesCorner will authenticate it for you

kobemagee29 · 06-10-2020, 09:00 AM

I've been emailing Greg back & forth last night & this morning. I believe that "Wildman", Bill, was a good friend & client & that Greg isn't lying about this being a real autograph that he got from Michael Jordan.

oldgoldy97 · 06-10-2020, 09:33 AM

$3.50 still stands. Isn’t it worth it to be rid of the worry?

oaklandasfan · 06-10-2020, 11:22 AM

horrible garbage

Looking4Luka · 06-10-2020, 11:26 AM

I only trust UDA certified MJ autos. Period. Only exception is if you have photo matched evidence of an IP auto.

kobemagee29 · 06-10-2020, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by oaklandasfan

horrible garbage

Why we have to bring the raiders into this, lol

06-09-2020, 10:38 AM	#1
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06-09-2020, 07:04 PM	#5
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,392	$25 to some poor sap Who is Wildman? __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud

06-09-2020, 08:11 PM	#9
oldgoldy97 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 51,014	I’ll bid $3.50. __________________ Truly riveting discussion: that’s what your wife/girlfriend/sheep said.

06-10-2020, 05:04 AM	#16
rogermaris Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 1,204	I've spent a lot of time studying Jordan's signature and I would not be nearly so quick to dismiss this autograph as fake. Keep in mind Jordan's autograph went through A TON of transformations between 1988-1994, and OP's auto has a lot of consistencies with authentic exemplars. I'm familiar with a lot of the secretarial Jordan signatures, including the ones Rovell tweeted about, and this doesn't match any that I know of. None of the secretarial signatures matched Jordan's slant and style so closely. If it is a secretarial signature, it's hands down the best I've ever seen. Here are some early Jordan autographs from my archive next to OP's auto: I think the main thing throwing people off is the elongated 'J' in 'Jordan'. But it was not unheard of him to sign his last name this way, even later in his career. Here's an example from one of his contracts that illustrates this well: __________________ IG: @90swax

06-10-2020, 05:30 AM	#17
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,392	Strong resemblance to the David/Daniel auto, but not the other three imo. __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud

06-09-2020, 02:00 PM	#2
allenforever3 Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 169	To be honest, this is a fake Jordan autograph.

06-09-2020, 02:21 PM	#3
pyrexswerve Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Texas Posts: 1,154 pyrexswerve	Fake. Darren Rovell recently made a tweet about his: https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/sta...494497281?s=20

06-09-2020, 06:59 PM	#4
kobemagee29 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: rockford Posts: 4,088	it's your opinions that it is fake, but i'm not convinced it is... Your saying anyone that got something like this in the mail from Greg, got a fake auto? Maybe but i'm not seeing why they would waste time sending out fakes with a letter.

06-09-2020, 08:04 PM	#8
whoaitsg33 Banned Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 769	depends when it was signed? jordan’s early autographs is similar to the one above.

06-09-2020, 09:22 PM	#13
kobemagee29 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: rockford Posts: 4,088	I did find Greg's email address and sent him a email

06-09-2020, 09:52 PM	#14
kobemagee29 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: rockford Posts: 4,088	Hard to believe but Greg actually replied to my email. And it was very fast!! I asked if it was a real MJ auto photo he sent "wildman" I believe so. It was in my early days with the Bulls and we had all our players signed their own photos which we could use for clients and fans.#@ By the way, just wonder why did Bill “Wildman” give away this gift I gave to him? Did he sell it to you? And I'm also very surprised after over 28 years, that Greg would actually remember this & wildman's actual first name.

06-10-2020, 01:54 AM	#15
Spink Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: USA Posts: 389	The plot thickens

06-10-2020, 05:39 AM	#18
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,392	The other three all look like they were signed well before 92 though. __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud

06-10-2020, 07:32 AM	#20
LC2nine10 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Fayetteville Posts: 2,835	CoachesCorner will authenticate it for you

06-10-2020, 09:00 AM	#21
kobemagee29 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: rockford Posts: 4,088	I've been emailing Greg back & forth last night & this morning. I believe that "Wildman", Bill, was a good friend & client & that Greg isn't lying about this being a real autograph that he got from Michael Jordan.

06-10-2020, 09:33 AM	#22
oldgoldy97 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 51,014	$3.50 still stands. Isn’t it worth it to be rid of the worry? __________________ Truly riveting discussion: that’s what your wife/girlfriend/sheep said.

06-10-2020, 11:22 AM	#23
oaklandasfan Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: manhattan n,y.congers ny Posts: 1,013 oarmjrcards44 oaklandasfan	horrible garbage

06-10-2020, 11:26 AM	#24
Looking4Luka Banned - PBM Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 142	I only trust UDA certified MJ autos. Period. Only exception is if you have photo matched evidence of an IP auto.