Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[JRX]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

For sure and it's manipulative how people are being categorized into left & right, ally & enemy when it's a complex political spectrum but that's a discussion for another thread.

So how do we feel about the Taylor Clemente & JK5 Henderson?

I like the consistency of both artworks with regards to their 20-player artist sets. Possible sub-10k PRs for both would be interesting.

I would guess around 10k for each. Neither player nor artist has really caught on. The Mo JK5 appears to be an outlier from that Griffey Shore week.

[PDCCollectibles]

…..this thread will take a whole new turn come Sept/Oct/Nov....imo.

[DR Murph]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

For sure and it's manipulative how people are being categorized into left & right, ally & enemy when it's a complex political spectrum but that's a discussion for another thread.

So how do we feel about the Taylor Clemente & JK5 Henderson?

I like the consistency of both artworks with regards to their 20-player artist sets. Possible sub-10k PRs for both would be interesting.

I really like the Henderson. Only have the Jeter by Taylor and not a big fan. Did look cool when someone posted a pic of a few Taylor’s side by side.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by PDCCollectibles

…..this thread will take a whole new turn come Sept/Oct/Nov....imo.

It will turn into, "how is everyone storing all these cards" lol

[Bleu Falcon]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Because I'm not 100% right on everything? News flash. No one is.

Terms like "zero percent" and "100%" have no place here.

Can we institute a mandatory 'confidence interval' rule?

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

I said after card 85 that cards 86-400 in hand will never surpass $50 a piece.

With print runs stabilizing to about 20K each, there will be a $60 card somewhere. A bunch of Trouts are due up and you could have a card fall under 10K.

Edited to add: Just saw the latest 10K runs....

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Bleu Falcon

Terms like "zero percent" and "100%" have no place here.

Can we institute a mandatory 'confidence interval' rule?

In my defense when I say 100% or 0% my record is probably about as good as anyone in this thread. I hope I'm wrong on most of my predictions for the future of Topps Project. I hope it is great for everyone. Regardless, no one is going to be right every time.

[Silas Barnaby]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

It will take weeks of 40k+ print runs for pr's to come down

Only 7 cards have had a print run higher than 40k so far.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

With print runs stabilizing to about 20K each, there will be a $60 card somewhere. A bunch of Trouts are due up and you could have a card fall under 10K.

Edited to add: Just saw the latest 10K runs....

The Trout Baller is selling for $40 now. Trout won't have a sub 15k print run on any card going forward. I think we would need a card to fall under 5k print run or a popular artist and player do under 10k to see a new card consistently sell in hand for $60.

[speedyjg13]

Just saw the released print runs.... 10k for each card, including for the adored artist Shore.

The flippers have flipped their way elsewhere

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Silas Barnaby

Only 7 cards have had a print run higher than 40k so far.

I was obviously exaggerating. I'm sure the fact values continue to tank and what's been going on in the world this week are surely lowering print runs. Again, I hope I'm wrong and the Project can get hot again. What do you think, Mr. Know It All?

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by JRX

I would guess around 10k for each. Neither player nor artist has really caught on. The Mo JK5 appears to be an outlier from that Griffey Shore week.

I could see the Henderson going for 15K. He seems more popular than some players.

Originally Posted by PDCCollectibles

…..this thread will take a whole new turn come Sept/Oct/Nov....imo.

Please elaborate

Originally Posted by DR Murph

I really like the Henderson. Only have the Jeter by Taylor and not a big fan. Did look cool when someone posted a pic of a few Taylor’s side by side.

I think the Taylor set will be cool together but his cards are outliers for the 400-card set and one of the least popular it seems.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by speedyjg13

Just saw the released print runs.... 10k for each card, including for the adored artist Shore.

The flippers have flipped their way elsewhere

[Bleu Falcon]

Originally Posted by BurnerNotify

Lots of artists sets people can get into cheap now. Cartoon for one is a good option at ~$600. He's got the big kahunas left to do also.

Not a big fan of Cartoon, personally. But it is nice to see some of these options coming into reach for non high rollers.

If I did an artist set it would probably be Efdot or JK5.

Efdot wouldn't be too bad, I've only got Mays so far but that would only leave one more real SP left to get (McGwire).

JK5 I'd need Ichiro, Williams, and May. I love his Ichiro and had an itchy finger earlier this week but I think I'm done buying short PR stuff for the moment. Or I might trade for some pieces I really want to go after.

Overall, I think player sets have slightly more appeal because I have slightly stronger feelings about the players than the artists.

If I did another player it would be Gooden, who is just this fascinating sort of Icarus legend to me. I'd need Ermsy/Vides and everything else besides Beck.

Pretty much standing pat or buying new releases for the moment but of all the above Henderson seems like the easiest stretch and he's the GOAT of my favorite team.

[ninjacookies]

Didn't see any auto drops in Shore's storefront today.

Artist, I am disappoint.

[Bleu Falcon]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

In my defense when I say 100% or 0% my record is probably about as good as anyone in this thread. I hope I'm wrong on most of my predictions for the future of Topps Project. I hope it is great for everyone. Regardless, no one is going to be right every time.

Quite true and I'm not trying to be harsh. You have a lot more to teach people here than I do.

But I do try to make qualified statements when I'm guessing at the future.

[Bleu Falcon]

Of course on the flipside of player vs artist sets, the latter would be more visually coherent. I could always OMIT the players I don't love, lol.

[aletruk]

Originally Posted by speedyjg13

I received my 1 Trout Fucci today.

Came with bubble wrap but the magnetic had some sort of air bubble, almost like its cracked... you can see it on the right side of the magnetic holder

My Nolan Ryan Thiele had the same issue two bubbles at the bottom

[ExpFacilitators]

Originally Posted by Bleu Falcon

Terms like "zero percent" and "100%" have no place here.

Can we institute a mandatory 'confidence interval' rule?

I predict weekly returns for a portfolio of P2020 cards will have mean of 0.004, with 95% C.I. Of (-.879, .887)

Book it

[ThoseBackPages]

maths

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

The Trout Baller is selling for $40 now. Trout won't have a sub 15k print run on any card going forward. I think we would need a card to fall under 5k print run or a popular artist and player do under 10k to see a new card consistently sell in hand for $60.

For Baller Trout's, it's been about 2 weeks in hand. Pretty standard for prices to fall when there is a glut of inventory but either way, a 200% ROI is pretty good. They'll make their way back up by the end of the year. As for print runs, nobody knows what the future holds. We all thought 40K would be the norm,then 20K and a few days later...it's down to 10K. I actually believe any of them will consistently sell for $15-$25 and the more popular players at $26-$35 no matter what happens. With that price being the floor, I cant see the ceiling for all of the next 300 cards being only $50.

[jjj5278]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Didn't see any auto drops in Shore's storefront today.

Artist, I am disappoint.

He said he wasn’t doing any more pre-sales.

[Snakeonia]

Originally Posted by Bleu Falcon

Terms like "zero percent" and "100%" have no place here.

Can we institute a mandatory 'confidence interval' rule?

Several failed with basic probability last week. Last thing we need is to start bringing it additional stats. We are simple art dealers here.


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[TheChukler]

I'm pretty encouraged by 10k runs today. With so many cards to go.. I think there will be spots to pick for LT investment. This set is very fun to collect....chaotic investing aside.

I am now paying more attention to art than ever before (before was.... never) and can enjoy the rest of this set all year and focus less on chasing the 77th Zion and Ja variation/parallel.

My goal initially was to buy dups to sell and help pay for my own collection with any profits. Not put a down payment on a house.

I'm in for the long haul. And I think there is potential for LT growth. If not... oh well. It was fun as hell.

[pryantexas]

PRODUCT / AESTHETICS question

JK5 and Oldmanalan are these least eye appealing, right ?

Or am I missing something ?

I have no interest in completing their sets and will only buy the cards I need for the few player sets I plan on completing

(But am seriously contemplating just leaving them out anyway)


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