Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[dodgersinfinity]

My first at bat, be gentle.

Long time collector , been lurking on here for awhile.

I jumped in around the 40s. Im kicking myself for not getting from the start. I do think this set is unique and will be remembered.

I tried catching up on the early ones and bought a few but I have set myself a limit so luckily i didn't get caught in last weekend's madness.

As a longtime Ebay seller I've never seen a market for goods fluctuate so much as this. it's crazy. I bought/sold my fair share of cards but I've mostly sold sneakers. Stockxx is a good alternative but it has it's drawbacks. Some have mentioned.

I'm looking forwarded to future releases. What a roller coaster!

[JRX]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

How do you think BO leans with politics?

I think this is one thing better left out of this thread.

[Powell7db]

I think a lot of people are like me. Waiting for the bottom to buy. When the bottom hits, and a few BIN get hit to start an upward price move, things will pick back up again. A lot of people got burned buying too high and want to make darn sure they don’t do it again.

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by sourcehill

The Chang Rivera might be one of my favorite cards of all time.

I'll sell you mine for $1100.

[DUCKanay]

Originally Posted by Powell7db

I think a lot of people are like me. Waiting for the bottom to buy. When the bottom hits, and a few BIN get hit to start an upward price move, things will pick back up again. A lot of people got burned buying too high and want to make darn sure they don’t do it again.

All the Mays cards are dropping still, wondering how long this correction will take. I have a feeling it will be mid week maybe once the newer card PR's start to level.

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by dodgersinfinity

My first at bat, be gentle.

Long time collector , been lurking on here for awhile.

I jumped in around the 40s. Im kicking myself for not getting from the start. I do think this set is unique and will be remembered.

I tried catching up on the early ones and bought a few but I have set myself a limit so luckily i didn't get caught in last weekend's madness.

As a longtime Ebay seller I've never seen a market for goods fluctuate so much as this. it's crazy. I bought/sold my fair share of cards but I've mostly sold sneakers. Stockxx is a good alternative but it has it's drawbacks. Some have mentioned.

I'm looking forwarded to future releases. What a roller coaster!

Enjoy the ride!

[sourcehill]

Originally Posted by thenightman

I'll sell you mine for $1100.

If it was the only one available, it'd easily be worth $1,100 to me. I'm sure I'll pay that much for another when the market dries up. Lol.

The funny thing with these cards is they've seemingly followed the comic book model.

Hot comic book issue drops. Some people get it at cover price, some people vastly overpay, all in the same week.

Market gets flooded with copies with people thinking they can make a quick buck. The book tanks. Bottom is found.

Issues dry up. Book ticks back up. Over time a classic cover / story will be timeless and always be desirable. I see the same thing with these cards.

I've loved them from the second I saw the Ermsy Trout and I love them just as much today. Having a fun rollercoaster ride with prices is just a bonus part to the experience.

[RyanSwinger]

Ichiro Ermsy def finding some resistance around 380

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by sourcehill

If it was the only one available, it'd easily be worth $1,100 to me. I'm sure I'll pay that much for another when the market dries up. Lol.

The funny thing with these cards is they've seemingly followed the comic book model.

Hot comic book issue drops. Some people get it at cover price. Some people vastly overpay.

Market gets flooded with copies with people thinking they can make a quick buck. The book tanks. Bottom is found.

Issues dry up. Book ticks back up. Over time a classic cover / story will be timeless and always be desirable. I see the same thing with these cards.

I've loved them from the second I saw the Ermsy Trout and I love them just as much today. Having a fun rollercoaster ride with prices is just a bonus part to the experience.

I appreciate your outlook and I agree with it.

I was playing on the Chang/Rivera. I only have one and I'm collecting a full Chang run.

[sourcehill]

Originally Posted by thenightman

I appreciate your outlook and I agree with it.

I was playing on the Chang/Rivera. I only have one and I'm collecting a full Chang run.

Of course brother. Ha.

Looking forward to this weeks drops. Hopefully we get Ermsy Griffey. In for 2!

[ninjacookies]

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The p2020 replies are worth far more than any completed Ebay auction or realized gains.

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[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by thenightman

I appreciate your outlook and I agree with it.

I was playing on the Chang/Rivera. I only have one and I'm collecting a full Chang run.

I think Chang will look pretty awesome in a completed set.

[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

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[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by RyanSwinger

Ichiro Ermsy def finding some resistance around 380

That one has tanked harder than almost any card. Was $1,200 a week ago. It's a sub 2k PR with one of the most popular artist. Pretty surprising.

[BurnerNotify]

Originally Posted by The Accountant

That one has tanked harder than almost any card. Was $1,200 a week ago. It's a sub 2k PR with one of the most popular artist. Pretty surprising.

Ichiro JK5 is eerily similar. Was $900 a week ago...now in the $300's. PR is 1700 and a really nice card. Curse of the Ichiro?

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by The Accountant

I think Chang will look pretty awesome in a completed set.

Definitely, but if JK5 has a secret mural...

[DudeDirk]

Welp, new guy here. I'm that guy that got in late. I collected for about 18 years before fading out in the early 2000's. My buddy @Chris_P was pumping this project up for weeks before I finally listened and dived in. Unfortunately for me the timing couldn't be worse.

From the second I bought it's been nothing but downhill and frustration following this board.

This past Monday I had grabbed both the Thiele Trout ($214) and Baller Trout ($199) followed by purchases of the Griffey Shore/Ryan Vides combo. Followed that with a single purchase of the Williams Oldmanalan.

I was hooked by Blake's live YouTube saying "buy everything". I thought for sure the Trout's were a wise investment considering it's Mike Trout and relatively low print runs. I was obviously wrong.

At this point I don't even know if I should hold or sell or if it's just a lost cause all the way around. Just a big bag of welp and a lesson learned. I'll stick to taking low risks and picking my spots to spend on Dirk/Luka.

[sourcehill]

Originally Posted by BurnerNotify

Ichiro JK5 is eerily similar. Was $900 a week ago...now in the $300's. PR is 1700 and a really nice card. Curse of the Ichiro?

Market is just too flooded. It'll take some time for these low print run cards to get locked into collections, but I'm preaching to the choir. Here's another way to look at it:

Is there 1,700 P2020 full set collectors? Most likely.

Is there 1,700 JK5 collectors? No sure.

Is there 1,700 Ichiro collectors? Absolutely.

Is there 1,700 people who are collecting cards they like and this happens to be one of them? Absolutely.

Now we just need people to stop listing them and start putting them in their collections. Ha.

[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by BurnerNotify

Ichiro JK5 is eerily similar. Was $900 a week ago...now in the $300's. PR is 1700 and a really nice card. Curse of the Ichiro?

Surprisingly yes. I could point out a few reasons why I think this happpened:


1. Baller Ichiro: Many people priced out of the Baller card. The second Ichiro card in the set is Ermsy's and for that reason it became popular.

2. Ermsy Trout: Ermsy Trout was the card that kickstarted the project into high gear. Naturally when that card became out of hand, investors/flippers flocked to this Ermsy card.

3. Print Runs: Once print runs began to shoot up in the 50's and 60's, this became a no brainer short print to snatch.

This card was selling for $170 less than 2 weeks ago, so where it's at now isn't bad at all. I could see it continuing to trend up in coming weeks.

[RyanSwinger]

Originally Posted by DudeDirk

Welp, new guy here. I'm that guy that got in late. I collected for about 18 years before fading out in the early 2000's. My buddy @Chris_P was pumping this project up for weeks before I finally listened and dived in. Unfortunately for me the timing couldn't be worse.

From the second I bought it's been nothing but downhill and frustration following this board.

This past Monday I had grabbed both the Thiele Trout ($214) and Baller Trout ($199) followed by purchases of the Griffey Shore/Ryan Vides combo. Followed that with a single purchase of the Williams Oldmanalan.

I was hooked by Blake's live YouTube saying "buy everything". I thought for sure the Trout's were a wise investment considering it's Mike Trout and relatively low print runs. I was obviously wrong.

At this point I don't even know if I should hold or sell or if it's just a lost cause all the way around. Just a big bag of welp and a lesson learned. I'll stick to taking low risks and picking my spots to spend on Dirk/Luka.

Hang in there! At this point just hold for now and continue to follow & look for opportunities to sell when you're comfortable.

[RyanSwinger]

Originally Posted by The Accountant

Surprisingly yes. I could point out a few reasons why I think this happpened:


1. Baller Ichiro: Many people priced out of the Baller card. The second Ichiro card in the set is Ermsy's and for that reason it became popular.

2. Ermsy Trout: Ermsy Trout was the card that kickstarted the project into high gear. Naturally when that card became out of hand, investors/flippers flocked to this Ermsy card.

3. Print Runs: Once print runs began to shoot up in the 50's and 60's, this became a no brainer short print to snatch.

This card was selling for $170 less than 2 weeks ago, so where it's at now isn't bad at all. I could see it continuing to trend up in coming weeks.

Both Ichiro's will be back to $500+ in a week or so imo.

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by DudeDirk

Welp, new guy here. I'm that guy that got in late. I collected for about 18 years before fading out in the early 2000's. My buddy @Chris_P was pumping this project up for weeks before I finally listened and dived in. Unfortunately for me the timing couldn't be worse.

From the second I bought it's been nothing but downhill and frustration following this board.

This past Monday I had grabbed both the Thiele Trout ($214) and Baller Trout ($199) followed by purchases of the Griffey Shore/Ryan Vides combo. Followed that with a single purchase of the Williams Oldmanalan.

I was hooked by Blake's live YouTube saying "buy everything". I thought for sure the Trout's were a wise investment considering it's Mike Trout and relatively low print runs. I was obviously wrong.

At this point I don't even know if I should hold or sell or if it's just a lost cause all the way around. Just a big bag of welp and a lesson learned. I'll stick to taking low risks and picking my spots to spend on Dirk/Luka.

If you don't need the money now then hold and also take it as a lesson learned. Look before you leap

[hpatel1089]

Originally Posted by sourcehill

Market is just too flooded. It'll take some time for these low print run cards to get locked into collections, but I'm preaching to the choir. Here's another way to look at it:

Is there 1,700 P2020 full set collectors? Most likely.

Is there 1,700 JK5 collectors? No sure.

Is there 1,700 Ichiro collectors? Absolutely.

Is there 1,700 people who are collecting cards they like and this happens to be one of them? Absolutely.

Now we just need people to stop listing them and start putting them in their collections. Ha.

I'm glad you shared this - very interesting way to look at the low PR cards

[FT35]

Originally Posted by DudeDirk

At this point I don't even know if I should hold or sell or if it's just a lost cause all the way around. Just a big bag of welp and a lesson learned. I'll stick to taking low risks and picking my spots to spend on Dirk/Luka.

Welcome! First things first...do you like the cards? If so, maybe keep them?

Next, I’d say your timing couldn’t be better. If you had come in last week you would have paid too much! Now things are getting reasonable again. Great time to jump in. Plus, you’re never to late to buy that day’s cards on Topps.com. Still plenty of set to go...enjoy!

[Snakeonia]

1-10 stabilization continues 500 is about the number sans #1,2,4
11-20 still bouncing frequently looks to land around 300

Seems odd all are rookie rookie rcs. Blake nolan seems like a value buy at 200ish. To be fair its a higher print run for a lower demand player within this set.




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