Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[yanksfan0134]

Originally Posted by JRX

Of a guy who objectively was the 17th best all around player last year. Who was objectively the 39th best hitter by wRC+, oh but I'm sure he helped a lot of people win their 5x5 roto leagues last year so let's just punch his ticket for the hof and declare him the next Trout.

I’m not gonna sit here and talk analytics, because to be quite honest, nobody really cares about them from a hobby stand point. You can say he was the 39th best hitter, but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s the biggest name in the hobby right next to Trout and Soto. He’s young and is fun to watch. That’s what people care about. I’m not saying he’s a HoFer, but a 22 year old player who flirts with 40/40 is pretty damn entertaining.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by dizzydolse

I keep mine close at all times because they so purrty...

whats wrong with you? how DARE you enjoy your cards!!!!

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by glassofwater

i hope all of those negative hits were worth it lol.

Negative hits? Nah, I went heavy with Baller Trout and everything else was either MSRP or I bought under $100(-1200 SSPs). Here is the Baller Trout shipping box. That's an executuve desk and Topps vending cases in the background. Trout sells himself, I'm pretty sure my ROI is ok no matter how low they go. Should they ever go under MSRP I'm walking the best down the street to PSA and the rest to Amazon.

[rj.cataldo]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

rungoodlife has now said "When eBay asks for more information, I will be sure to remove the item from the case so that they can see the scratches without the card obstructing the view. Thanks!"

seems like your out to me. As this card is sealed and direct from Topps, removing it from the case and altering it should disqualify his return. i blocked as well


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[pspa123]

Originally Posted by JRX

No, but all these people pouring money into Acuna cards thinking he's going to be the next Trout can just as easily end up holding the bag when he turns out to be a good / not all-time great player. This whole industry is built on over-hyping ever new player.

In fairness, his talent is unmistakable. That, and his flashiness, account for the hype IMO. Still, as history teaches us, at this point he is very far from a sure thing. I'm a little more inclined towards Soto and his better fundamentals myself, at this point.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by pspa123

In fairness, his talent is unmistakable. That, and his flashiness, account for the hype IMO. Still, as history teaches us, at this point he is very far from a sure thing. I'm a little more inclined towards Soto and his better fundamentals myself, at this point.

It doesn't matter anymore, Jasson Dominguez is the greatest player of all time now.

[Snakeonia]

Originally Posted by pspa123

In fairness, his talent is unmistakable. That, and his flashiness, account for the hype IMO. Still, as history teaches us, at this point he is very far from a sure thing. I'm a little more inclined towards Soto and his better fundamentals myself, at this point.

Soto> acuna

Sure he dont steal bases but also doesn’t K a lot. And has 1 ring already. Acuna keeps stacking gold chains he wont be stealing any bases before long.


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[gmoney328]

Originally Posted by Geoff G

Just laid all my TP2020’s out on the table with my 8yr old son .. was really cool to see them all together. We absolutely love this set .. and all the cards I believe haven’t went down 1 penny from what we paid .. in fact all have doubled at least ..

Father and son card collecting .. check
Beautiful cards .. check ..
cheap buy in ... check
Set building .. check
Value increase .. check

All my boxes check out.. is that not winning?


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This pretty much says everything that needs to be said. Bravo.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Negative hits? Nah, I went heavy with Baller Trout and everything else was either MSRP or I bought under $100(-1200 SSPs). Here is the Baller Trout shipping box. That's an executuve desk and Topps vending cases in the background. Trout sells himself, I'm pretty sure my ROI is ok no matter how low they go. Should they ever go under MSRP I'm walking the best down the street to PSA and the rest to Amazon.

I cant see the pic

[JRX]

Originally Posted by gmoney328

This pretty much says everything that needs to be said. Bravo.

No, you have to measure the market value of your cards hourly, that's all that matters and if it ever drops you should throw them all out.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by JRX

It doesn't matter anymore, Jasson Dominguez is the greatest player of all time now.

True lol.

[paperzach]

I love JK5's cards. I am collecting them. I plan to frame a set and mount it on my wall.

A $20 Blaster might have a cool card in it that I can post on Twitter for some likes and jealous grumbling comments. I will sleeve that card, put it in a cardboard box, and put it in my closet.

I don't think it makes sense for people to have the same market expectations for this set as they do for other $20 Topps products.

You might have to invest thousands of dollars over many months to make the kind of returns that people were making on a $20 card over the Memorial Day weekend. Some businesses can plan for a situation that is going to tie up a lot of cash for a long time. That's how most investments actually work.

[BurnerNotify]

FWIW, Lowest BINs for Fucci Thomas are in the mid $20s (shipped). Off to a good start.

[Triphunter]

Any concerns if the print runs come back down significantly artists will just start mailing it in in regards to effort?

[dizzydolse]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

whats wrong with you? how DARE you enjoy your cards!!!!

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by houdini

But seriously though - no card with a print run over 1000 is ever going to be worth anything - none of these buyers are really paying - the market is plummeting and everyone should get out fast. To help you, I am buying up all cards with PR under 2k on twitter - which means they are merely 2x as worthless.

These are the facts.

Also, anything with a higher print run than 2k will eventually be worth far less than zero.
My prediction for future value of Blake’s Mcgwire -50$
Get out now while you can still give these cards away for free.

[zbaseball21]

Originally Posted by jfan2024

Guess what, the thousands I’ve lost are now thousands that won’t be going back into the card market anytime soon including for your cards until I sell back into the market and recoup my losses.

Maybe those thousands of dollars you paid for these p2020 cards will be used by those sellers to buy more cards. So that money is going back into the card market.

[MCyganik]

Originally Posted by Triphunter

Any concerns if the print runs come back down significantly artists will just start mailing it in in regards to effort?

I would hope not. They are still obliged to whatever deal they made with Topps. If any of them do that (wouldn’t be surprised if Baller did) then there would be a riot.

Besides, how long does it take Vides to do his cards? 5 minutes?

[OhioPlayer]

i only have bought the cards i found appealing-from topps for $20/apiece. will continue to do so. GL to the flippers and gamblers. I think they are good for the hobby.

[BurnerNotify]

Originally Posted by Triphunter

Any concerns if the print runs come back down significantly artists will just start mailing it in in regards to effort?

No concerns. Artists love making art and want to get better on each and every project. This is a dream job for most of them and they’re going to put in 100% regardless of print runs.

Full disclosure, I’m not an artist but I play one on tv.

[floridaman92]

As someone who followed from a distance but didn't buy until around card 60, the only thing scaring me would be the EBay returns. Granted I've been buying at what I've been comfortable with (1 bundle per release, or individual pre-sale). Selling a few to at least offset costs of ones I wanted for my collection would be ideal, but worst case I can hold or give some as gifts. Might be more selective getting bundles, but either way it's been fun to follow/collect.

[paperzach]

Originally Posted by Triphunter

Any concerns if the print runs come back down significantly artists will just start mailing it in in regards to effort?

Not concerned about this at all. These are established, professional artists.

If an artist were to make a card that was intentionally controversial or designed to antagonize customers, I'd expect it to still be well executed.

[ExpFacilitators]

Just wanted to add that I've had a perfect success record and every decision that I have made was done with exact precise foresight to maximize whatever my initial goal was.

Also, the people that I like are geniuses and I want to bathe in their every word and decision. Conversely, people I do not like are morons and jealous of everyone who thinks differently.

Also the number of people in neither category is zero.

[Neal]

People are getting these cards graded? Putting unnecessary lipstick on a pig ….

[houdini]

Ok, I am going to give you all my honest thoughts ok and you are absolutely free to think I am a complete fool.

Go back to mid-last week. Prices were climbing and more and more people were getting on board.

A very popular artist gave the strong impression that something really, really big was coming and people deduced that was going to be Gary Vee pumping the project.

A very popular artist might have even said something like "buy every card you can get your hands on" because this is about to explode.

So buy they did. Over last weekend, cards rose 3x to 5x in value. That is insane.

For example the Efdot McGwire went from $199 to $985 from Friday to Tuesday.



I encouraged people to buy the Griffey Shore... I thought it would have a pr under 50k and still be worth ~$30. Easy profit. I was wrong.

Now the Gary Vee thing never happened... it still may but I have a hard time seeing Gary Vee put his name on a market in free fall.

The 95k print run is because people were buying these by the 100 and even 1000 expecting Gary Vee to make them rich.

95k is a disaster for the Shore, but good for this set. Why? Because it chases off the speculators and it makes many cards instant SP and even SSP.

The Tuesday & Wednesday cards still had people who purchased before the Monday print run was released. The only people happy about the Monday numbers are Topps and the artists.

However the Thursday and Friday print runs are getting pretty close to normal.

Speculators started dumping and the race to the bottom began. I respect that. Get your money.

However, just between us I want you to try an experiment ok? Pick a popular, valuable card that you like with a pr under 10k, ok? Then look at what that card was selling for on Friday morning May 22nd. Then look at what it is selling for today.

People are getting so caught up in the phenomenon from Friday to Monday that they are losing sight of what the set was doing before that. Just for a second, pretend that the last week did not happen.

The Efdot McGwire went from $199 to $400 (and may still correct more though). People are so worried that it dropped from $985 all the way to $400 that they forget it was $199 just a couple days before $985.

Look at the print runs too. The Blake McGwire has a pr of only 18k - about half the Baller Trout. Today's print runs were higher than that, but not by very much. If the last week had never happened, you might be inclined to think that today's pr is typical growth when compared to Blakes McGwire.

People hear "Gary Vee" and an artist with inside knowledge saying they should buy every card they can... and they eat that up. (BTW I love that artist, but he has a different perspective on this set than I do - 95k pr is awesome for him so he is looking at it very differently.) Those two things plus the popularity of this set created a tsunami - so many people buying big numbers of the Shore Griffey.

Now that the cards have corrected, the people that were watching from the sidelines are jumping for joy. Don't worry about that. When Judge slumped after the AS break his rookie year, the people that missed the boat threw a party in the judge thread. There were many "I knew this was going to happen all along"s. It's a Blowout thing unfortunately.

FTR I missed the boat and I am also clearly an idiot on the brink of financial ruin. So take it all with a grain of salt.