Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[pspa123]

People should just man up and take their losses. Like I am.

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by speedyjg13

Link to this?

He deleted it, lol.

I pulled this from google search...

BEN BALLER™ on Twitter: "One of my dumb ass employees ...twitter.com › BENBALLER › status
11 hours ago - ... got in front of a police car and got hurt. I said you stupid #@#@#@#@, what you think they was gonna do? Hug you? Cmon man and I hate police. Smh.

[ethanwa]

Is there a spreadsheet anywhere of people I should be blocking?

[houdini]

Originally Posted by dhcollecting

I like Houdini I hope he is not financially ruined by this!

Like others have said print runs over 1000 are not rare!

Everything that was ending at auction today has not had bids in 3 days. All those people are not going to pay. All those cards will be relisted plus any people holding. Prices will settle at 2 to 3 times MSRP for most. I think Trout Ermsy settles at 400 to 500.

Originally Posted by UGLI baby

Prayers up for Houdini. Guy has no idea what he doin with this baseball card stuff. Just pictures of men in uniforms and now with art lines squiggled on em. People are sick, man. People starving, people dying out there and art cards over 1,000 PR (not rare!!) going for big money. Capitalism.

But seriously though - no card with a print run over 1000 is ever going to be worth anything - none of these buyers are really paying - the market is plummeting and everyone should get out fast. To help you, I am buying up all cards with PR under 2k on twitter - which means they are merely 2x as worthless.

[HeyPanini]

Originally Posted by The Accountant

its "over" johnny

This sarcasm or do you actually believe it’s over

[UGLI baby]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

died.

With a flag over the coffin. A classy touch.

[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by houdini

But seriously though - no card with a print run over 1000 is ever going to be worth anything - none of these buyers are really paying - the market is plummeting and everyone should get out fast. To help you, I am buying up all cards with PR under 2k on twitter - which means they are merely 2x as worthless.

The "GOAT" of breaking joins in on the fun

[trendy26]

Originally Posted by thenightman

Not anymore, lol.

Lol that was quick. Probably wasn’t the smartest thing for him to tweet about

[redscollector24]

Stonks only go up

[yanksfan0134]

Originally Posted by UGLI baby

That’s an interesting thought, but do you have any juicy eBay return stories? Any cancellations lately? That’s what I’m really here for.

Honestly, I had that same thought with Ben Baller haha. If he was off the project the cards he’s already made would go crazy.

What did he tweet?

[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by HeyPanini

This sarcasm or do you actually believe it’s over

100% sarcasm. This thing has 30 legs at this point.

[RyanSwinger]

For those who dont understand why low PRs have been negatively affected as much as they had, let me help:

Collector A buys early cards (1-40) with the idea that they like them or that they can turn profit as an investment. Later, greed kicks in and the idea that every new release that comes can double/triple/quadruple your return. So, 10 packs start getting purchased and flipped on the eBay for a sizable return. The return is then moved on to the next card that is released and so on and so on with even bigger orders going in. Then comes Griffey. All of those profits are now tied up in a losing bet. What do you do when that happens? You sell off anything you can to make it back- enter the race to the bottom in the Low PRs. Meanwhile, folks that dont have much steak in the game see the price action and panic and participate in the sell off not knowing any better.

In the end, low PRs are GOLD and the buyers of them now are a combination of collectors and wise investors. soon enough supply on the secondary market will decline and prices will increase again. maybe not to memorial day weekend highs but not at 5/31 lows.

[redscollector24]

I’m no Bob Ross but I played 18 today. Besides stonks drilling what happened today?

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by houdini

But seriously though - no card with a print run over 1000 is ever going to be worth anything - none of these buyers are really paying - the market is plummeting and everyone should get out fast. To help you, I am buying up all cards with PR under 2k on twitter - which means they are merely 2x as worthless.

[UGLI baby]

Originally Posted by houdini

But seriously though - no card with a print run over 1000 is ever going to be worth anything - none of these buyers are really paying - the market is plummeting and everyone should get out fast. To help you, I am buying up all cards with PR under 2k on twitter - which means they are merely 2x as worthless.

Hahaha I need that credit card sticker.

I legit got so excited when I saw you buying these up! Can’t wait to see what happens with low PR once the floor is set!

[UGLI baby]

Originally Posted by RyanSwinger

For those who dont understand why low PRs have been negatively affected as much as they had, let me help:

Collector A buys early cards (1-40) with the idea that they like them or that they can turn profit as an investment. Later, greed kicks in and the idea that every new release that comes can double/triple/quadruple your return. So, 10 packs start getting purchased and flipped on the eBay for a sizable return. The return is then moved on to the next card that is released and so on and so on with even bigger orders going in. Then comes Griffey. All of those profits are now tied up in a losing bet. What do you do when that happens? You sell off anything you can to make it back- enter the race to the bottom in the Low PRs. Meanwhile, folks that dont have much steak in the game see the price action and panic and participate in the sell off not knowing any better.

In the end, low PRs are GOLD and the buyers of them now are a combination of collectors and wise investors. soon enough supply on the secondary market will decline and prices will increase again. maybe not to memorial day weekend highs but not at 5/31 lows.

“Steak in the game” is my new absolute favorite thing. I’ve got a T-bone into P2020 at this point.

Also, I agree with your post.

[cardsforever]

It's unfortunate, but the greed factor is catching up to a lot of people.

As an example, I sold five of my ten Griffey #6 cards for between $75.00 and $320.00. The odds of any of them being returned is remote (but always a possibility). I still possess the other five.

Same thing with five of the ten Thomas #23 cards that I sold--Etc, etc.

If were to sell one of my three "Ermsy" Trout cards today, I will sell it for $599.99.

I have already "paid for" the three complete sets (Jeter, Griffey and Trout) that I eventually want to own.

I still have 100 early cards in my possession with 170 still coming to me.

If I had been emotional about all of this, I probably would have sold at least 75 of the cards that are in my possession and then worrying about returns.

[dizzydolse]

I keep mine close at all times because they so purrty...

[houdini]

Contrary to popular opinion, I am very happy with my purchases from this week. Just wished I had judged the drop better.

I am most excited about card 100, but not because I think it will ever really make much money. Too many are going to sell for that. I just really like it.

Maybe I really am just one big idiot on the brink of financial ruin though.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by yanksfan0134

Of course. A card with an actual following. A card that was from an actual baseball set, not a set that was made up to help fill the void of other sets during a year where there isn’t going to be baseball. We’re talking about one of the most iconic cards over the last 10 years of one of the games best players. Huge difference.

Of a guy who objectively was the 17th best all around player last year. Who was objectively the 39th best hitter by wRC+, oh but I'm sure he helped a lot of people win their 5x5 roto leagues last year so let's just punch his ticket for the hof and declare him the next Trout.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by JRX

Of a guy who objectively was the 17th best all around player last year. Who was objectively the 39th best hitter by wRC+, oh but I'm sure he helped a lot of people win their 5x5 roto leagues last year so let's just punch his ticket for the hof and declare him the next Trout.

If you’re not first, you’re last. You got it!

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by houdini

Contrary to popular opinion, I am very happy with my purchases from this week. Just wished I had judged the drop better.

I am most excited about card 100, but not because I think it will ever really make much money. Too many are going to sell for that. I just really like it.

Maybe I really am just one big idiot on the brink of financial ruin though.

Nice cover.

[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by dizzydolse

I keep mine close at all times because they so purrty...

that is amazing

[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by houdini

Contrary to popular opinion, I am very happy with my purchases from this week. Just wished I had judged the drop better.

I am most excited about card 100, but not because I think it will ever really make much money. Too many are going to sell for that. I just really like it.

Maybe I really am just one big idiot on the brink of financial ruin though.

Great to hear your perspective H - Thanks for joining in on the fun.

These cards are awesome in hand. Last part seems a little doubtful

[JRX]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

If you’re not first, you’re last. You got it!

No, but all these people pouring money into Acuna cards thinking he's going to be the next Trout can just as easily end up holding the bag when he turns out to be a good / not all-time great player. This whole industry is built on over-hyping ever new player.