Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer - Page 901

yanksfan0134 · 05-31-2020, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Whats dead? Topps still printing? People still buying for $20? Cards still going for $20-$2k on secondary market? Artists are making a ton of money from sales, and then autos and secondary items? You're posting in the thread? Only part thats having an issue "at the moment" is buying current cards and flipping them for giant profits.

Comparing the market going forward to what it was 5 days ago, I would consider the market for growth dead (at least for the foreseeable future). I did not buy a single card before the Griffey and that was just because Shore’s stuff started growing on me. I love this set strictly for collectible purposes, and refuse to think there’s much room for growth any time soon.

mossoholic · 05-31-2020, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

do you know who Ben Baller is?

I don't know a ton about him. How much has he made lifetime give or take?

thenightman · 05-31-2020, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

do you know who Ben Baller is?

Baller tweeting out about how he hates cops and immediately started the backtracking.

Sure is dumb for a "business man".

PDCCollectibles · 05-31-2020, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by yanksfan0134

P2020 is dead. The 4 days of absolute insanity were fun and a part of me is glad I had no stake in any claim. It would have been too stressful as a seller. The amount of cancellations and returns for sellers is going to be an absolute nightmare. It was fun while it lasted!

You'd be surprised....the majority of buyers and sellers are pretty decent and honest.....but there are 5-10% that are horrendous....

ThoseBackPages · 05-31-2020, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mossoholic

I don't know a ton about him. How much has he made lifetime give or take?

30 mil

yanksfan0134 · 05-31-2020, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mossoholic

I don't know a ton about him. How much has he made lifetime give or take?

He’s one of the most renowned jewelers in the world.

dhcollecting · 05-31-2020, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

nah bro, it's ded

I like Houdini I hope he is not financially ruined by this!

Like others have said print runs over 1000 are not rare!

Everything that was ending at auction today has not had bids in 3 days. All those people are not going to pay. All those cards will be relisted plus any people holding. Prices will settle at 2 to 3 times MSRP for most. I think Trout Ermsy settles at 400 to 500.

eldavojohn · 05-31-2020, 03:22 PM

rungoodlife has now said "When eBay asks for more information, I will be sure to remove the item from the case so that they can see the scratches without the card obstructing the view. Thanks!"

mossoholic · 05-31-2020, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

30 mil

Ok I stand corrected then. But I could certainly see him making over $10 million on Topps Project.

ThoseBackPages · 05-31-2020, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dhcollecting

I like Houdini I hope he is not financially ruined by this!

Like others have said print runs over 1000 are not rare!

Everything that was ending at auction today has not had bids in 3 days. All those people are not going to pay. All those cards will be relisted plus any people holding. Prices will settle at 2 to 3 times MSRP for most. I think Trout Ermsy settles at 400 to 500.

H is a smart fella.

ottobord · 05-31-2020, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kyle1707

Always ask for photo of damage

Or just ask what the damage is first

Why? so they can damage it and then take the picture?

Jopeal · 05-31-2020, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

do you know who Ben Baller is?

Literally the last artist who needs this money.
Google says net worth: $30 million. Yes this project is Ben Ballers big break 🤣

yanksfan0134 · 05-31-2020, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by PDCCollectibles

You'd be surprised....the majority of buyers and sellers are pretty decent and honest.....but there are 5-10% that are horrendous....

I think it’s quite a bit more than 5-10%. There’s a lot of traffic coming from outside of the hobby, and I doubt there as decent as the people who know the hobby ethics.

UGLI baby · 05-31-2020, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by yanksfan0134

I’m getting a kick out of the people who are still saying there’s deals to be had. I just can’t see a card with a PR of over 1k in today’s market realistically holding values in the thousands, even if they’re the early PRs.

It is truly over, Jonathan.

ThoseBackPages · 05-31-2020, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by UGLI baby

It is truly over, Jonathan.

TheWrightStuff · 05-31-2020, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dhcollecting

I like Houdini I hope he is not financially ruined by this!

Like others have said print runs over 1000 are not rare!

Everything that was ending at auction today has not had bids in 3 days. All those people are not going to pay. All those cards will be relisted plus any people holding. Prices will settle at 2 to 3 times MSRP for most. I think Trout Ermsy settles at 400 to 500.

Nah, all he has to do is run a single Bowman auction break and people will overpay enough to offset any losses he has from P2020.

Bigbluesooner · 05-31-2020, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BurnerNotify

Numbers look lower than expected. I thought Mattingly would crack 30k easy given recent print runs. This is good.

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Originally Posted by justin80

Love it! Knew these two would SP after the dip and expiring on Sunday. These should be $100 by next weekend.

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Originally Posted by BurnerNotify

I really like the Mattingly and Thomas. Both artists stepped up their games immensely with these. The hit man train is awesome. amazing detail on the railroad tracks. Fucci’s Thomas card is as good as his Ripken in my opinion. Looks like he took a page out of Efdot’s book with the patchwork background. Both are killer.

I was really excited to see Cartoons version of Donnie's 1984 RC. That is not what we received. If anything it reminds me of his 87 Topps. When I go to display all my P2020 Mattingly's this does not fit.

No one would assume that the card is a homage to the '84 Mattingly if they didn't know anything about his set.

Been ordering dupes of Mattingly. Just ordered one of this card to complete my set.

ctcardexchange · 05-31-2020, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Accountant

What a POS.

Blocked

superdan49 · 05-31-2020, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by eldavojohn

rungoodlife has now said "When eBay asks for more information, I will be sure to remove the item from the case so that they can see the scratches without the card obstructing the view. Thanks!"

That is a veiled threat to ruin the card if you don't accept his return and he knows it.

He's actually tweeting about this:
https://twitter.com/runGoodlife/stat...57717740740608

SupermanBrandon · 05-31-2020, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by thenightman

Baller tweeting out about how he hates cops and immediately started the backtracking.

Sure is dumb for a "business man".

Conspiracy thought...what if by the comments Baller tweeted today...Topps voids his contact? And Tuesday's duet w/ Blake is the last Baller we see in the project? Talk about his Ichiro and other cards jumping in price and collectability in the project.

ThoseBackPages · 05-31-2020, 03:27 PM

yanksfan0134 · 05-31-2020, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dhcollecting

I like Houdini I hope he is not financially ruined by this!

Like others have said print runs over 1000 are not rare!

Everything that was ending at auction today has not had bids in 3 days. All those people are not going to pay. All those cards will be relisted plus any people holding. Prices will settle at 2 to 3 times MSRP for most. I think Trout Ermsy settles at 400 to 500.

I’m glad someone else agrees. What I think people are missing is the fact that there’s still 15-16 cards left to be released for each artist and player. That’s a LONG way to go.

mudflap02 · 05-31-2020, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by yanksfan0134

I think it’s quite a bit more than 5-10%. There’s a lot of traffic coming from outside of the hobby, and I doubt there as decent as the people who know the hobby ethics.

Hobby ethics is pretty funny. This hobby is like anything else, good guys, bad guys, and everything in between. But I’d say sport cards tend to attract more than their fair share of sleazy people. Card trimming? eBay scammers? Pack searching? All here well before P2020 and they will still be in the hobby when it ends.

ThoseBackPages · 05-31-2020, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by yanksfan0134

What I think people are missing is the fact that there’s still 15-16 cards left to be released for each artist and player. That’s a LONG way to go.

that is a GOOD thing!

ottobord · 05-31-2020, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

That is a veiled threat to ruin the card if you don't accept his return and he knows it.

He's actually tweeting about this:
https://twitter.com/runGoodlife/stat...57717740740608

so he wants a replacement one touch, no problem

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eldavojohn Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: the MooN Posts: 8,252 el-davo	rungoodlife has now said "When eBay asks for more information, I will be sure to remove the item from the case so that they can see the scratches without the card obstructing the view. Thanks!"