Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

cardsandstuff2731 has opened a second return against me for https://www.ebay.com/itm/133420534352 with the same reason.

He has sent a subsequent message to me:

"Hi Just please Approve the return so I can send it back faster. I am trying to mail this out tomorrow. I will indeed return this item to you. I just want to return is fast! And safely to you without having to File chargeback or call PayPal so you can get your item back same way you shipped it to me. I would appreciate it"

I have opened up two return abuse cases with ebay and will let people know what I said and how it was resolved once it's resolved in order to help other sellers.

cardsandstuff2731 (Robert Randazzo) also purchased a 2011 Ermsy Trout from eBay seller yavinfour for $2,489 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/264742923207)

I would recommend you contact yavinfour to see if a return was also requested with him. I'd bet on it. If so, the both of you can take your case to eBay together.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by RyanSwinger

Not a big deal. The product is much more popular today than it was 3 weeks ago when PRs were around there.

How do you figure? For instance if a Cartoon Brett with a 2300 print run is selling for $175 what is a Mattingly, comparable player, with the same artist going to be worth with a 27,000 print run? Answer is nothing.

So far, the main thing that seems to matter on prices is print run. The one big exception being the Trout Baller. Obviously a popular player with a popular artist has a better chance of selling with a high print run. But it's pretty tough to believe that Nolan Ryan pr 64,000, Tony Gwynn pr 30,000, and Mattingly pr 27,000 will be worth more than what you paid when all are in hand.

[kyle1707]

Case is scratched. Lmfao

It’s so #@#@#@#@ing sad ... can’t even imagine how messed up some of these peoples life’s are

I want to say eBay needs to do something

But who are we kidding

[katho]

I ve said it before,and Ill say it again...You guys need to just accept these returns,Without pissing off the buyer...If you dont,you risk getting your card back in 4 or 5 pieces and nothing will happen to the buyer because,he'll say he got it that way

[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by ZiggySQ

Welp. Got my first eBay return. “Card was loose and scratched. This is not due to price drop”.


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oh no its crazy that ebay allows buyer a risk free investment

[ZiggySQ]

Originally Posted by superdan49

cardsandstuff2731 (Robert Randazzo) also purchased a 2011 Ermsy Trout from eBay seller yavinfour for $2,489 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/264742923207)

I would recommend you contact yavinfour to see if a return was also requested with him. I'd bet on it. If so, the both of you can take your case to eBay together.

How do you see what someone has bought?


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[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by WallyatJCCards

I got in late, maybe on the 2nd hype wave... Hoping newbies and people with lots of cashola keep driving up the those print runs, so the 35,000's and 20,000's and 10,000's don't seem like a whole lotta!

It's looking like print runs are coming down quicker than I thought but still if they stay between 15,000-50,000 that is not good for anyone buying new cards.

[UGLI baby]

Originally Posted by BurnerNotify

One way is to be able to see a picture of the card. Probably not possible with StockX platform. Personally I don’t like buying site unseen. Great for sellers though. I sold about 10 cards on StockX this wknd and although I got less than the going rate on eBay, it was worth it. Don’t have to create a listing, no worries about payment, no shady buyers. Ebays system is broken so I’m happy to go elsewhere when possible.

Nice. I’ve only sold one P2020 card on StockX so far, but I’ve sold some sealed wax over there for a while, and I gotta say I love the ease of listing stuff there. Can just be sitting on my couch and list something on a whim, in like 10 seconds.

[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

I have had three requests that I just denied because they weren't a complaint they were just an ask. I'm totally okay with this.

I have had three items from two buyers opened as "item not as described" cases against me (two ben ballers don't have numbers on their back saying which of the 36000 they are and one buyer claims his case is scratched). I assume I have a lot more coming to me

did you sell at the peak? sorry to hear. but yea I would assume more incoming

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by ZiggySQ

How do you see what someone has bought?


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Feedback unmasking. I'll look into ryanmaa for you if you'd like.

[jfan2024]

I’ve lost thousands of dollars on P2020 getting in right before/around the peak and here are my thoughts:

1. These cards are gorgeous. I put my Jeter Saladeen and Trout Baller next to my PSA Doncic optic holo, Zion prizm silver, Judge update gold and it’s clear what cards I prefer as a collector..the P2020 ones. I can’t be the only one that feels that way and for that reason alone, I’m selectively buying direct from Topps on the last 300 cards and will be finishing my Jeter and Don C sets.

2. I have no clue what caused this selloff. I bought the top players from the top artists and low print runs. I think the highest print run I bought as investment was probably Saladeen Jeter at 9.8k. I thought sky high print runs on the new cards would make 1-80 rise and the opposite happened. For those saying 10k is still a lot, there are 15.4k Doncic prizm base rookies in the PSA registry alone. This doesn’t count parallels like silvers, BGS/SCG numbers, raw cards out there, etc. and it’s not like you can buy raw Luka prizm base under $150 nowadays. Baseball print runs are even larger than basketball and no problems. Clearly the size of the hobby can support 10k and even higher print runs on a Shore Griffey. I’m not sure what happened on this collapse.

3. I said this the day Shore Griffey print run came out but every card released since then and going forward for the near-medium term is going to be worth the cost of an empty box and ultra pro magnetic. The key for me to the print runs is collectors vs. those in it for money. Given eBay pre-sales (I believe this segment is largely collectors) only accounts for 1-2% of the Topps final print runs, I’m in the camp these cards you won’t get your $15 back by the time they’re in hand. Look at the race to the bottom on Baller Trout and its 35k print run is lower than most of what is being released now which will be much less desired cards. I don’t care if you think Oldmanalan’s take on the 1954 Topps Ted Williams is a much better looking version vs. the original whose yellow makes the missing top border look bad and how great this card looks. I love the card too and we can talk like baseball card nerds about it but from a value perspective, who gives a crap, this card is a “boring” artist and a “boring” player that most of us never watched and will be worth less than toilet paper by the time it’s in hand. If you’re going to buy, stick to card 1-86

4. To all the blowout members who sold me cards over the last week or two and have given it to me hard up the rear as a result, don’t worry I’m honoring my buys. However, it’s annoying as hell that quite a few of you are in this thread literally gloating that cards (you still own also!!) are going down in price saying I told you so. It’s tiresome. Guess what, the thousands I’ve lost are now thousands that won’t be going back into the card market anytime soon including for your cards until I sell back into the market and recoup my losses.

5. How do I get a thosebackpages rookie auto card? I want one, however while I lick my wounds from these massive losses, I probably can’t afford the on-card rookie auto anymore so anybody have a sticker auto to sell?

[Snakeonia]

Originally Posted by The Accountant

oh no its crazy that ebay allows buyer a risk free investment

Gamble. Might as well buy some lebron rcs post them for sale for 10%. If it doesn’t happen just return them to original seller. Complete nonsense


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[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by thenightman

Honestly, I could be better. Think I'll go for a walk today.

Good call. I went for a run. Feeling really good right now. Bought me some Fuccis today. Excited to have the full run in hand in jan/feb

[PDCCollectibles]

Originally Posted by ZiggySQ

Welp. Got my first eBay return. “Card was loose and scratched. This is not due to price drop”.


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Offer to send a new one and see what he says...

[BurnerNotify]

just received a couple of packages from Vince - Beck Bretts and Blake’s Rickey. Topps must be getting these out the door quicker.

[PumpnDumpling]

Originally Posted by dgr81

how is stockx handling cards not yet shipped by topps? stockx usually only gives you 2 days to ship.

the highest bid for a henderson baller is $170 yet you can just buy another one on ebay for $80.

Seems like an opportunity for a little arbitrage if you're a) willing to put in the leg work and b) can withstand the risk that these prices flip-flop

[ZiggySQ]

Originally Posted by superdan49

Feedback unmasking. I'll look into ryanmaa for you if you'd like.

Please. Thank you.


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[kyle1707]

Originally Posted by katho

I ve said it before,and Ill say it again...You guys need to just accept these returns,Without pissing off the buyer...If you dont,you risk getting your card back in 4 or 5 pieces and nothing will happen to the buyer because,he'll say he got it that way

Always ask for photo of damage

Or just ask what the damage is first

[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Has anyone had any eBay return requests today?

none here, but have received a few probing inquiries. one was ichiro chang presale

[mcwildcats]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

Case is scratched. Lmfao

It’s so #@#@#@#@ing sad ... can’t even imagine how messed up some of these peoples life’s are

I want to say eBay needs to do something

But who are we kidding

I feel bad for you sellers. I bought 4 or 5 Ballers around $200. Way under on those but I won't be returning. Not in my blood. Will just keep dollar cost averaging on a few of these cards I've decided to collect going forward.

[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by BurnerNotify

just received a couple of packages from Vince - Beck Bretts and Blake’s Rickey. Topps must be getting these out the door quicker.

Thinking they really ramped up with the increased production. If they can't knock out a 5k print run how do they expect to handle 99k

[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by mcwildcats

I feel bad for you sellers. I bought 4 or 5 Ballers around $200. Way under on those but I won't be returning. Not in my blood. Will just keep dollar cost averaging on a few of these cards I've decided to collect going forward.

Good on you. Respect

[oplum29]

i'm not a fan of these Topps Project 2020 cards, however if they released an Acuna Bat down....well then....

[Snakeonia]

Originally Posted by PDCCollectibles

Offer to send a new one and see what he says...

Yes!!!


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[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by jfan2024

I’ve lost thousands of dollars on P2020 getting in right before/around the peak and here are my thoughts:

1. These cards are gorgeous. I put my Jeter Saladeen and Trout Baller next to my PSA Doncic optic holo, Zion prizm silver, Judge update gold and it’s clear what cards I prefer as a collector..the P2020 ones. I can’t be the only one that feels that way and for that reason alone, I’m selectively buying direct from Topps on the last 300 cards and will be finishing my Jeter and Don C sets.

2. I have no clue what caused this selloff. I bought the top players from the top artists and low print runs. I think the highest print run I bought as investment was probably Saladeen Jeter at 9.8k. I thought sky high print runs on the new cards would make 1-80 rise and the opposite happened. For those saying 10k is still a lot, there are 15.4k Doncic prizm base rookies in the PSA registry alone. This doesn’t count parallels like silvers, BGS/SCG numbers, raw cards out there, etc. and it’s not like you can buy raw Luka prizm base under $150 nowadays. Baseball print runs are even larger than basketball and no problems. Clearly the size of the hobby can support 10k and even higher print runs on a Shore Griffey. I’m not sure what happened on this collapse.

3. I said this the day Shore Griffey print run came out but every card released since then and going forward for the near-medium term is going to be worth the cost of an empty box and ultra pro magnetic. The key for me to the print runs is collectors vs. those in it for money. Given eBay pre-sales (I believe this segment is largely collectors) only accounts for 1-2% of the Topps final print runs, I’m in the camp these cards you won’t get your $15 back by the time they’re in hand. Look at the race to the bottom on Baller Trout and its 35k print run is lower than most of what is being released now which will be much less desired cards. I don’t care if you think Oldmanalan’s take on the 1954 Topps Ted Williams is a much better looking version vs. the original whose yellow makes the missing top border look bad and how great this card looks. I love the card too and we can talk like baseball card nerds about it but from a value perspective, who gives a crap, this card is a “boring” artist and a “boring” player that most of us never watched and will be worth less than toilet paper by the time it’s in hand. If you’re going to buy, stick to card 1-86

4. To all the blowout members who sold me cards over the last week or two and have given it to me hard up the rear as a result, don’t worry I’m honoring my buys. However, it’s annoying as hell that quite a few of you are in this thread literally gloating that cards (you still own also!!) are going down in price saying I told you so. It’s tiresome. Guess what, the thousands I’ve lost are now thousands that won’t be going back into the card market anytime soon including for your cards until I sell back into the market and recoup my losses.

5. How do I get a thosebackpages rookie auto card? I want one, however while I lick my wounds from these massive losses, I probably can’t afford the on-card rookie auto anymore so anybody have a sticker auto to sell?

Sorry for you loses man it sucks! The one card I thought would stay up was the Jeter Saladeen. Only cards I had in hand at the time of big money and didn't try selling at $200 because I thought they could hit $300. Popular player, artist, print run under 10k. Arguably the best looking card so far in the set. Just shows most don't care how these cards look. All about the money.