Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[clap6]

Williams and Koufax will both be over 60k

[Neal]

Originally Posted by JRX

Don't we already have one of those threads or is this different?

Apparently this will be P2020 only starting at noon ... or so I read
Which makes sense

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[Howie7107]

Originally Posted by clap6

Williams and Koufax will both be over 60k

Nope. I hope so, but nope.

[dbpsooner]

Originally Posted by 34JacktheRipper

I think he just disagrees with your point that people only buying new releases for resell purporses will struggle.

I would also disagree with that point, at least for the near future.

I hope I am wrong about that, truly. But that it why I recommend people buy what they like. Then you are happy regardless of what prices do. When I buy artwork for my house, I buy it because I like it. I don't care at all if it goes up in price. These will be a nice display for me!!

[speedyjg13]

What are these Gwynn easter eggs? How are they relevant to Tony? Did Tony have an annual Easter egg hunt charity when he played for the Padres?

[yanksfan0134]

How have people been felling about Siff? I like his work and will definitely be grabbing a few of today's Jeter, but wanted to see what the general consensus looks like on him. I feel like he is one of the lesser talked about artists.

[IndySportsCards]

Originally Posted by yanksfan0134

How have people been felling about Siff? I like his work and will definitely be grabbing a few of today's Jeter, but wanted to see what the general consensus looks like on him. I feel like he is one of the lesser talked about artists.

If I like the design I'll snag one. Jeter rules.

[Boredlawyer]

The following theories were promulgated in this thread:

Increasing print run: positive effect on prices because it indicates more people are interested in the product, and makes lower print runs comparably more difficult to find.

Decreasing print run: positive effect on prices because it indicates the flippers are getting out of the market and revealing only the true collectors (who are perceived to hold a lower price inelasticity of demand).

Perceived recognition by art community: positive effect on prices because it speculates a larger market exists.

Perceived lack of recognition by art community: positive effect on prices because it speculates that future recognition by the art community hasn't been priced in.

Jeter/Trout/Griffey: positive effect on prices because player holds widespread popularity.

Lesser collected player: positive effect on prices because player is overlooked at release, and is comparably scarce to the popular players.

Aesthetically pleasing design: positive effect on prices because card will be sought after regardless of print run.

Objectively unsatisfying design: positive effect on prices because card will be scarcer at release, but necessary for future set building.

Which ones hold weight?

[66_Fiat]

Originally Posted by speedyjg13

What are these Gwynn easter eggs? How are they relevant to Tony? Did Tony have an annual Easter egg hunt charity when he played for the Padres?

Easter egg is a term for a subtle background inclusion

- The Morse code in the bottom right border
- Number of stars on the bottom border
- Number between his feet in the sand
- Number under the bill of his hat

[Snakeonia]

Originally Posted by speedyjg13

What are these Gwynn easter eggs? How are they relevant to Tony? Did Tony have an annual Easter egg hunt charity when he played for the Padres?

I see a 394 in the sand


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[Wiseysez]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

You want mine

Nah. I’m good. Shore just doesn’t do it for me.

[kevbojones]

Gregory Siff is probably one of the most underrated artists in this Project.

He uses various forms of art media to create his pieces. If you look at his previous 4 cards, they've all been very eclectic.

I think for his Jeter, he is using both analogue and digital media to create the card. In his interview with Blake Jamieson, he said he was very excited for his Jeter card to be released

Originally Posted by yanksfan0134

How have people been felling about Siff? I like his work and will definitely be grabbing a few of today's Jeter, but wanted to see what the general consensus looks like on him. I feel like he is one of the lesser talked about artists.

[mlc3423]

Good afternoon everyone....Finished catching up the pages and what a difference makes....Normally it would take an hour or more to catch up but today 15-20 minutes...Not sure if that's a good thing or bad thing

None the less here's hoping to a great day after all the nonsense yesterday

[AlexHunter]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

What’s your take

Every single card will make money in this project. Every single one. Just don’t hold all of your cards in your portfolio for a decade, especially if you’ve bought a lot of triple digit cards, that’s idiotic.

Like, you have to have a combo and balance of:

Buying- buying ebay/forums, buying wholesale, buying deals/steals you come across, buying hunches, buying cards you love, buying cards you hate, buying cards Gary/your grandmother tells you to

Selling- it’s okay to take $200 on a card you paid $20 for a few weeks ago, even if it jumps to $1000 in 2 days after you sell- some people work 20ish minimum wage hours to get that much money after taxes. and you probably still have dozens, hundreds, maybe even thousands more cards in your portfolio. Don’t fret or stew about having to ship out a card that is now worth 4x what you got for it.

Trading- its a GREAT tactic to take 5, 6, even 10 different cards you have bought 10 packs for and offer them up for some 300 dollar cards. Sure- the cards you’re offering might “sell” for $500, but that’s also a lot of leg work and multiple buyers and shipping labels and potential issues. Plus- even if you’re giving up 6 cards valued at $500 for 1 card at $300, you only paid $120 Max. Sometimes it’s okay to value your cards at your buy cost and make juicy offers.



In less than 24 hours since the print run was announced (by the way, it STILLLLLL wasn’t 6 digits) people are throwing in the towel, cashing it all out, and screaming apocalypse.....it’s insane and hilarious to watch and it’s a GREAT time to buy, sell, or trade on the secondary market. Literally everybody wins- unless you bought more than 1,000 Griffey’s as SurePost......


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[dbpsooner]

Originally Posted by Boredlawyer

The following theories were promulgated in this thread:

Increasing print run: positive effect on prices because it indicates more people are interested in the product, and makes lower print runs comparably more difficult to find.

Decreasing print run: positive effect on prices because it indicates the flippers are getting out of the market and revealing only the true collectors (who are perceived to hold a lower price inelasticity of demand).

Perceived recognition by art community: positive effect on prices because it speculates a larger market exists.

Perceived lack of recognition by art community: positive effect on prices because it speculates that future recognition by the art community hasn't been priced in.

Jeter/Trout/Griffey: positive effect on prices because player holds widespread popularity.

Lesser collected player: positive effect on prices because player is overlooked at release, and is comparably scarce to the popular players.

Aesthetically pleasing design: positive effect on prices because card will be sought after regardless of print run.

Objectively unsatisfying design: positive effect on prices because card will be scarcer at release, but necessary for future set building.

Which ones hold weight?

Well there are many people in this thread. Of course there will be differing opinions. We wont know which ones end up being correct for quite a while.

[kevbojones]

Two beautiful cards are about to drop, so hold on to your potatoes

Originally Posted by mlc3423

Good afternoon everyone....Finished catching up the pages and what a difference makes....Normally it would take an hour or more to catch up but today 15-20 minutes...Not sure if that's a good thing or bad thing

None the less here's hoping to a great day after all the nonsense yesterday

[Silas Barnaby]

Originally Posted by yanksfan0134

How have people been felling about Siff? I like his work and will definitely be grabbing a few of today's Jeter, but wanted to see what the general consensus looks like on him. I feel like he is one of the lesser talked about artists.

I love Siff's stuff.

[Snakeonia]

Originally Posted by Boredlawyer

The following theories were promulgated in this thread:

Increasing print run: positive effect on prices because it indicates more people are interested in the product, and makes lower print runs comparably more difficult to find.

Decreasing print run: positive effect on prices because it indicates the flippers are getting out of the market and revealing only the true collectors (who are perceived to hold a lower price inelasticity of demand).

Perceived recognition by art community: positive effect on prices because it speculates a larger market exists.

Perceived lack of recognition by art community: positive effect on prices because it speculates that future recognition by the art community hasn't been priced in.

Jeter/Trout/Griffey: positive effect on prices because player holds widespread popularity.

Lesser collected player: positive effect on prices because player is overlooked at release, and is comparably scarce to the popular players.

Aesthetically pleasing design: positive effect on prices because card will be sought after regardless of print run.

Objectively unsatisfying design: positive effect on prices because card will be scarcer at release, but necessary for future set building.

Which ones hold weight?

All of the above. The push and push inside my head everyday.


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[Howie7107]

Ewww. Jeter AP was sold out before the clock even hit 12. Feels pretty gross.

[AlexHunter]

Originally Posted by dbpsooner

You disagree with people buying what they like and instead, recommend people buy only to try and turn a profit when they sell???

No, I disagree with this absolutist statement lol:


“If you are just getting in now and getting in to make a profit on the new releases, you missed the boat.”

That’s what my big message above is in reference to.


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[padsfan10]

Originally Posted by Snakeonia

I see a 394 in the sand


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There is morse code on the bottom right corner that supposedly spells out SDSU, where he went to college and coached.

There are are other little things still hidden in there too, including a shot out to where he grew up (should be Long Beach) but says LA

[AlexHunter]

Combined Print run guess for Efdot Gwynn and siff Jeter: 278,390


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[AlexHunter]

Originally Posted by Boredlawyer

The following theories were promulgated in this thread:

Increasing print run: positive effect on prices because it indicates more people are interested in the product, and makes lower print runs comparably more difficult to find.

Decreasing print run: positive effect on prices because it indicates the flippers are getting out of the market and revealing only the true collectors (who are perceived to hold a lower price inelasticity of demand).

Perceived recognition by art community: positive effect on prices because it speculates a larger market exists.

Perceived lack of recognition by art community: positive effect on prices because it speculates that future recognition by the art community hasn't been priced in.

Jeter/Trout/Griffey: positive effect on prices because player holds widespread popularity.

Lesser collected player: positive effect on prices because player is overlooked at release, and is comparably scarce to the popular players.

Aesthetically pleasing design: positive effect on prices because card will be sought after regardless of print run.

Objectively unsatisfying design: positive effect on prices because card will be scarcer at release, but necessary for future set building.

Which ones hold weight?

Yes


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[Howie7107]

When did the description start saying 15-30 business days as opposed to 10-15?

[34JacktheRipper]

Originally Posted by AlexHunter

Combined Print run guess for Efdot Gwynn and siff Jeter: 278,390


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Feels close. I'll say 247336

Jeter will top 150k IMO