Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by KeithS

I'm making the call that anything with a print run over 5K will start dropping from here on out. Of course some auctions in progress are already at high prices, but anything newly listed will be starting the drop back to reality which is right at the $20 market. Some of the cards are nice, but many are just plain ugly to the average collector and sorry to burst your bubble, but these are not being hyped in the art world. Hype is the only thing driving these and higher print runs make it harder and harder to hype.

Another #BaseballCardGoggles sufferer it seems. Lots to go around. #Project2020

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by nerdherd020

Looks like the cook groups are buying up all the Don C Thomas’.

Cook groups? Buying? Don C? 11K Print Run? I thought this was all over and fire sold my collection for below msrp.

[trendy26]

Originally Posted by Howie7107

I have to say, these cook groups are hysterical. The fact that like 20 of the last 30 cards bought are Don C Frank Thomas when searching Project 2020 isn't fishy at all. Just give it an hour before they have to undercut each other on the way back down. Things are going up, but please don't let these fish get one over on you.

Yeah there’s definitely some artificial lift going on here that doesn’t seem too kosher. This is going to turn into a big cluster as I’m sure those who bought higher for a card like the Don C Frank Thomas will most likely try to return the card once received.....

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by thenightman

Lost in all this....

FANNY PACKS!!!!!

We're talking about a 99,000 Griffey and we got FANNY PACKS numbered to 410!

410!!!!!

Derriere satchels.


Derriere. Satchels.

[JRX]

I'm sorry but what bowman cards other than maybe 1 or 2 autos will be worth anything in 5 years? How much of that product is going straight to the landfill?

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by KeithS

I'm making the call that anything with a print run over 5K will start dropping from here on out. Of course some auctions in progress are already at high prices, but anything newly listed will be starting the drop back to reality which is right at the $20 market. Some of the cards are nice, but many are just plain ugly to the average collector and sorry to burst your bubble, but these are not being hyped in the art world. Hype is the only thing driving these and higher print runs make it harder and harder to hype.

That's a wrap folks! KeithS says so!

[Howie7107]

Originally Posted by KeithS

I'm making the call that anything with a print run over 5K will start dropping from here on out. Of course some auctions in progress are already at high prices, but anything newly listed will be starting the drop back to reality which is right at the $20 market. Some of the cards are nice, but many are just plain ugly to the average collector and sorry to burst your bubble, but these are not being hyped in the art world. Hype is the only thing driving these and higher print runs make it harder and harder to hype.

What makes you say 5K? I don't think there's much to support that position, but would love if you elaborated on why that's the sweet spot. Frankly, I think especially your opinion that they come back down to $20 is outlandish. I doubt we see very many sales of even sub-10k cards below $50 in the next 5+ years.

[BurnerNotify]

Man, someone just hit my $295 BIN for Don C. I guess I was too low.

[Howie7107]

Originally Posted by nerdherd020

Before you buy check out what they have listed. If you see sneakers or Oreo cookies, don’t buy.

Am I missing something or will they really have Oreo cookies listed? I thought I was just on the lookout for Shoes and Supreme.

[ThoseBackPages]

sell me some #81s at $20

[RyanSwinger]

Originally Posted by packerfavrefan

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Topps-Proje...p2047675.l2557

Awesome looking lot that went cheap!!!

Holy cow. No doubt this guy sh*t his pants when he hit List

[seanbros55]

Originally Posted by trendy26

Yeah there’s definitely some artificial lift going on here that doesn’t seem too kosher. This is going to turn into a big cluster as I’m sure those who bought higher for a card like the Don C Frank Thomas will most likely try to return the card once received.....

Well, if unscrupulous sellers are going to cancel sold items only to immediately relist them for higher, then they should be prepared for shady buyers returning cards when they tank.

Don’t like what this product is bringing into the hobby.

[Acid Dock]

It's fun watching people backfill new Don C Thomas cards after the group buys up everything up to $300. Time to list some more I guess lol.

[SupermanBrandon]

I wish these "cook groups" would get back to the Blake Mattingly's and Beck Griffey's.

[kyle1707]

Originally Posted by KeithS

I'm making the call that anything with a print run over 5K will start dropping from here on out. Of course some auctions in progress are already at high prices, but anything newly listed will be starting the drop back to reality which is right at the $20 market. Some of the cards are nice, but many are just plain ugly to the average collector and sorry to burst your bubble, but these are not being hyped in the art world. Hype is the only thing driving these and higher print runs make it harder and harder to hype.

Sorry you missed out

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

what risk? that you lose the $17.50 you spent on each?

The risk is you have thousands or over $10,000+ of credit card charges for cards you haven't received. Then when you do receive them you have to spend countless time and effort to sell them all. If you plan on buying all the cards going forward between 10-20 a piece per card do people even though the time they are in for on reselling them? Obviously worth it for big money but not if after fees you are making a couple bucks a card. Then you are going to get the form and have to keep track of and send in all your tax info for purchase and sale price of each card whether you made any money or not. The money you did make you will lose even more of it after this.

[Acid Dock]

Originally Posted by Howie7107

Am I missing something or will they really have Oreo cookies listed? I thought I was just on the lookout for Shoes and Supreme.

Supreme x Oreo collab

[RyanSwinger]

Originally Posted by trendy26

Yeah there’s definitely some artificial lift going on here that doesn’t seem too kosher. This is going to turn into a big cluster as I’m sure those who bought higher for a card like the Don C Frank Thomas will most likely try to return the card once received.....

dumb question: how are people tracking what is ending outside of ebays "ending soonest"?

[metsandweezer]

Let’s try to get a fanny pack sold tonight #RoadTo5KFannyPack

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Find me a print on demand set that is worth more now than MSRP. Good luck!

The hobby has the attention span of a gnat.

I think the 2016 Topps Now complete set is worth more than the $5/card they originally sold at (in bulk). Maybe even the $10/single. Haven't seen one come up for sale in a long time but if I remember correctly didn't someone sell a full set to Keith O for like $10K?

Btw, I wonder what he thinks of P2020.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

The risk is you have thousands or over $10,000+ of credit card charges for cards you haven't received. Then when you do receive them you have to spend countless time and effort to sell them all. If you plan on buying all the cards going forward between 10-20 a piece per card do people even though the time they are in for on reselling them? Obviously worth it for big money but not if after fees you are making a couple bucks a card. Then you are going to get the form and have to keep track of and send in all your tax info for purchase and sale price of each card whether you made any money or not. The money you did make you will lose even more of it after this.

man, life has beaten you down. i am sorry Brother

[Acid Dock]

Originally Posted by RyanSwinger

dumb question: how are people tracking what is ending outside of ebays "ending soonest"?

I've got an ebay page with the Frank Thomas card up Buy It Now only sorted by lowest price. Refresh every few minutes and it looks totally different.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by RyanSwinger

dumb question: how are people tracking what is ending outside of ebays "ending soonest"?

i use the countdown clock on topps.com

[efdot]

Originally Posted by BurnerNotify

Efdot, whatever you're going to charge for your next autographs, triple it (hell, quadruple it). As one of the top artists in this project, you will still sell out, and maybe more autos get into the hands of your real fans and followers. Looking forward to Gwynn!

Yeah... definitely raising prices due to demand.

I think the pricing is an art in itself!

Originally Posted by cp312

I don't think increasing the price will do anything, as long as there is profit to be made the resellers will buy regardless, and you might actually price out the real fans.

I think his idea of a more expensive patreon tier will suffice

I was thinking because Gwynn is one of the least popular players in the set, to scale back a little bit in terms of how many autos I offer. However the project has exploded so much since I launched my last Williams autos. Still thinking about it... open to your thoughts.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by gamboooler

I've been wrong before, but I really don't see another card reaching Shore Griffey. A lot of people just in it for the flip are going to be out going forward in terms of buying from Topps.

I started chasing Frank Thomas' player set then didn't buy the Matt Taylor (too high print run I felt) and today guessed under 40k PR on the Griffey so my opinion on this subject no longer has validity, but am curious what others think about near future PRs.