Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[gmoney328]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

What’s the opposite of a cook? A geech?

I like it, from now on debbie downers should be referred to as "geechers".

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Yes, wise one. I control the market on this.

100K Griffey’s

Less than 60,000 sales of anything labeled Trout Update in the history of eBay.

I’ll take my chances buying the set down the line. It’s laid off for every other print on demand set in Topps history, and if I pay more for it that’s fine too!

so then why the constant urination in the thread?

take these thoughts, make them your sig, and everyone will see them

[Boredlawyer]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

if youve not made a purchase of something, your voice carries less weight

especially for a $17.25 product

I'm willing to bet a finance/economics background holds more weight than a $17.25 purchase.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Boredlawyer

I'm willing to bet a finance/economics background holds more weight than a $17.25 purchase.

probably, but the constant urination is over the top

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by RyanSwinger

Have reflected on this for a few hours and I think this was actually a very positive thing.

You will likely see a mass exist of flippers and eventually PRs willl fall back to folks truly interested in the artist and I think that interest will continue to rise. Today you just elimated the outlier of people buying 10-100 cards per day regardless of player and artist.

Think things will settle back down to 20-40k PRs which still will allow for early releases to hold tremendous value.

Today didn't do jack to deter flippers. This has to happen for WEEKS for it to go back to under 25k print runs.

[JRX]

How long can it take tracking to update to in transit? At what point do you guys get nervous?

[TheWrightStuff]

Who on here has the best price for buying current single cards? Im just going to be picking up cards here and there from now on so not going to buy directly from Topps.

[ThoseBackPages]

moss, what is our bet?

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by TheWrightStuff

Who on here has the best price for buying current single cards? Im just going to be picking up cards here and there from now on so not going to buy directly from Topps.

twinsjake

[TheWrightStuff]

Originally Posted by Boredlawyer

I'm willing to bet a finance/economics background holds more weight than a $17.25 purchase.

Youd be wrong

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

he knows the future

You know I think I'm wrong. You guys are right. Upon rethinking I'm sure there will be non stop all day every day interest in a Keith Shore Griffey that there are 99k of with 90% of the buyers of it only buying to flip.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

You know I think I'm wrong. You guys are right. Upon rethinking I'm sure there will be non stop all day every day interest in a Keith Shore Griffey that there are 99k of with 90% of the buyers of it only buying to flip.

you stated that ALL cards #91 - 400 will NEVER seller at or over $50 on the secondary market

[KeithS]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

How have I been negative? Nobody can answer that.

I’ve bought 0. I’ll buy in 5 years when the set is forgotten about and just see what I can pay for cards 1-400. I suspect I’ll be in for the buy-in price if not less.

I've bought some direct from Topps that I like, but I agree whole heartedly with your comment. eTopps is a perfect example. Low print runs in the beginning and pretty soon the cards skyrocketed in value, and look at what they are worth today. Less than half the cost it takes to have them shipped to you. Collecting is a market of scarcity for most people. High demand is only short lived until the next shiny thing comes out, and people will be chasing that and these will be forgotten.

That being said, if you are not a collector and just a flipper which it seems about 90% are, these so far have been a great ROI. If you're a collector, just buy them direct when they come out and don't worry about what the secondary market is for them until you really want to sell. At least the flippers, breakers, and distributors can't ruin being able to get the cards you want at reasonable prices like they are ruining all the new products coming out. It is hilarious reading though, I have to say.

[redscollector24]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

You know I think I'm wrong. You guys are right. Upon rethinking I'm sure there will be non stop all day every day interest in a Keith Shore Griffey that there are 99k of with 90% of the buyers of it only buying to flip.

Who's saying that tho?

[Boredlawyer]

Originally Posted by KeithS

I've bought some direct from Topps that I like, but I agree whole heartedly with your comment. eTopps is a perfect example. Low print runs in the beginning and pretty soon the cards skyrocketed in value, and look at what they are worth today. Less than half the cost it takes to have them shipped to you. Collecting is a market of scarcity for most people. High demand is only short lived until the next shiny thing comes out, and people will be chasing that and these will be forgotten.

That being said, if you are not a collector and just a flipper which it seems about 90% are, these so far have been a great ROI. If you're a collector, just buy them direct when they come out and don't worry about what the secondary market is for them until you really want to sell. At least the flippers, breakers, and distributors can't ruin being able to get the cards you want at reasonable prices like they are ruining all the new products coming out. It is hilarious reading though, I have to say.

Etopps! The STOCK MARKET!

[ThoseBackPages]

man, imagine if eTopps was not a release for card nerds?

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by JRX

How long can it take tracking to update to in transit? At what point do you guys get nervous?

[ThoseBackPages]

cant fight the #BaseballCardGoggles !!!

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

"there will be not cards numbered 91 through 400 that will ever sell for $50 (or higher) on the secondary market"

~Blowout 5/27/20

Once they are all in hand. You're seeing it now with the Trout Ben Baller's and not all those are in hand. Plus the pr on those is nowhere near the Griffey or future big pr cards. Once the huge print run cards are all in hand and listed prices will plummet. The supply of the huge print runs will outweigh the demand. Again going forward the vast majority of these high print runs are people buying from Topps ONLY to flip. Probably well over 75% of cards sold. Those people will sell the cards if the card is worth $20 or $2,000 it doesn't matter.

[mudflap02]

For the life of me I can’t figure out why some people are posting on this thread so much. I miss the heady positive times of 2 days ago.

Seriously, if your only goal is to be “the guy who was right in the end, no matter what” on an internet baseball card forum, reevaluate your life. It’s sad and I feel sorry for whatever else must be lacking in your life to keep drawing you back to this thread like a moth to a flame.

I post here because I like the cards, and I enjoy the commentary. If you enjoy neither, I encourage you to seek out hobbies and social interactions that might have a more positive effect on your life.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

so then why the constant urination in the thread?

take these thoughts, make them your sig, and everyone will see them

Would it be better if I was pissing rocket ships?

You (though less than most) and others are in here singing it’s virtues. “No Trout under $50”.

Then everybody reads that, buys it, print run at XXXk and people lose their ass when they won’t be able to move at a profit.

640,000. That’s the total number of eBay sales that have sold since 2004 with “Mike Trout” in the title. Out of those, 505,000 have sold for $50 or less. In history.

If the average Trout in the set has a PR of 35,000, thats 700,000 total Mike Trouts produced.

I suspect the average will be higher than that, but whatever.

Still awaiting your PM for your bet.

Remember, before we do, 79% of Trouts ever sold on eBay have gone for $50 or less.

[Shorty]

just got a shipping update from Topps this evening.. most recent unfulfilled order is for cards 57-58...FYI

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Once they are all in hand. You're seeing it now with the Trout Ben Baller's and not all those are in hand. Plus the pr on those is nowhere near the Griffey or future big pr cards. Once the huge print run cards are all in hand and listed prices will plummet. The supply of the huge print runs will outweigh the demand. Again going forward the vast majority of these high print runs are people buying from Topps ONLY to flip. Probably well over 75% of cards sold. Those people will sell the cards if the card is worth $20 or $2,000 it doesn't matter.

what is the wager?

[BC Hunt]

Originally Posted by mcwildcats

Any thoughts on the Thiele Trout relative to Baller? I see it seems to be going for roughly the same price but much lower print run. Late in the game and just saw the look of the Thiele one for the first time and love it!

Baller is the nicer looking card (of course art is subjective) but the Thiele should surpass it in value as the PR is about 1/3.

[Sigona]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Yes, wise one. I control the market on this.

100K Griffey’s

Less than 60,000 sales of anything labeled Trout Update in the history of eBay.

I’ll take my chances buying the set down the line. It’s laid off for every other print on demand set in Topps history, and if I pay more for it that’s fine too!

Still waiting on a PM for a bet. I’ll give you the same deal I gave Alex.

Hard to compare this to a standard sports card, the art aspect of it is drawing in people from different hobbies since these artists are crossing over into sports cards.

If Topps does something crazy at the end of this like announces this will be done once a decade, the 2020 set will certainly hold and increase in value pending the 2030 set.

Or this could all be pumped up right now because of the pandemic. Who knows, all I know is it's fun to be a part of.