Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[Soxfanguy]

I wonder how the artists get paid. Do they get a lump sum or do they get a piece of each sale?

[Bl3rf]

Originally Posted by AlexHunter

It’s not out of the question for Topps to reach $1B In sales.

That’s a maximum of a 69 million total print run, if figured all cards sold for $14.50. Less of a print run the more singles and 2 packs were bought from Topps.

All topped out, to reach 1 billion, Topps would need 172,000 average print run. Again that number shoots way down the more singles and 2 packs were bought.

Highly unlikely but at the rate of presales on eBay alone today......it’s not impossible.


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At the pace the new pre sells are going... will be 100k PRs by the end. That will be easily reached. Even the lower ones are going for 25k now. Trouts will top out extremely high at the end.

[doubledribble]

Originally Posted by cardsforever

Yep.



Hank Aaron rookie and I want to get back my Mantle "1953 Topps" PSA 1 or PSA 2."

Same. Kicking myself for not scooping up psa 5s 10 yrs ago when I was collecting for under $800.

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[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i cannot imagine any Trout being $15 after the window closes

The empty boxes are more than $15 bucks by themselves. /clectorthuganomics

[rj.cataldo]

Originally Posted by Silas Barnaby

Using my model, Baller's Trout is:



$10,000,000 divided by 35,000



times the 1.1 artist multiplier



times the 1.1 player multiplier



equals $314



Simple!



And accurate!

So by this logic, the only way a card is worth equal to or less than MSRP is a print run of 500k? Doesn’t seem logical.

Saying every card has the same market cap is like saying every public company is worth the same and it only matters how many shares there are. Therefore we will be seeing early doc cards about $10k per card and eventually surpassing the Ermsy Trout?


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[justin80]

Originally Posted by AlexHunter

[mention]justin80 [/mention] just informing you, 1 Money Bear has gone from a flipper(me) to a collection.

#longlivemoneybear




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Great! If you feel like sending me a commission, you know how to reach me.

[cardsforever]

Originally Posted by doubledribble

Same. Kicking myself for not scooping up psa 5s 10 yrs ago when I was collecting for under $800.

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Now the PSA 1 is $900.00 to $1,000.00.

[trendy26]

Damn, and I thought paying $100 for a 2011 Topps Update Trout graded 9.5 10 9.5 9.5 was an absolute steal.... The Ermsy Trout puts that ROI to shame...!

[kyle1707]

Holy #@#@#@#@ topps shipped my beck George Brett’s

[Stekers]

I’ve spent 5k in the last 3 days (yes I’m an idiot for completely ignoring project 2020 for this long) and Then I get the feeling that it’s not enough, but a my conscience tells me how much more can this grow it’s enough stop!

Am I the only one that thinks this way ??? Why should a card that has a print run of 3000 be worth 500$ ??? I don’t even know what to think anymore

[JVB]

Originally Posted by justin80

Check my post history. Only two mentions today, only one of which was a pump. Definitely been keeping an eye on completed auctions, though.

Since we're on the topic, a question for the room:

Can the rapid value increase of money bear be attributed to the 1 in 20 odds of landing an auto? Once they ship, will base fall while autos rise? Will base keep value and autos launch into the stratosphere? Will they become the fiat currency of Hypebeast?

[Snakeonia]

Originally Posted by Silas Barnaby

I've been using $10,000,000 divided by print run as a general value estimator.

Some popular artists gets 1.1 multiplier and some popular players get a 1.1 multiplier.

Falls inline with thoughts that rattle around in my head. Wonder if we will be close.


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[Bl3rf]

Originally Posted by Stekers

I’ve spent 5k in the last 3 days (yes I’m an idiot for completely ignoring project 2020 for this long) and Then I get the feeling that it’s not enough, but a my conscience tells me how much more can this grow it’s enough stop!

Am I the only one that thinks this way ??? Why should a card that has a print run of 3000 be worth 500$ ??? I don’t even know what to think anymore

ESPN did a nice article on them. Not surprising they had a massive boost the last week. Since so many early on called them a joke and didnt buy. Interesting how much interest they have now.

[doubledribble]

Who got in early and has Ermsy Trouts on hand?

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[trendy26]

I see this crashing in the near future (purely my opinion) as there’s just something too fishy about all of this rapid increase. Now I’ve invested a decent amount, so I hope it doesn’t happen, yet I only invested with the intention of keeping the cards that I bought for my PC (so regardless of what happens, I’ll be good either way). If I end up making money, great, but if it all goes to #@#@#@#@, then I keep the cards...

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by trendy26

I see this crashing in the near future (purely my opinion) as there’s just something too fishy about all of this rapid increase. Now I’ve invested a decent amount, so I hope it doesn’t happen, yet I only invested with the intention of keeping the cards that I bought for my PC (so regardless of what happens, I’ll be good either way). If I end up making money, great, but if it all goes to #@#@#@#@, then I keep the cards...

#BaseballCardGoggles

[trendy26]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

#BaseballCardGoggles

#TrueStory. Haha

[justin80]

Originally Posted by JVB

Since we're on the topic, a question for the room:

Can the rapid value increase of money bear be attributed to the 1 in 20 odds of landing an auto? Once they ship, will base fall while autos rise? Will base keep value and autos launch into the stratosphere? Will they become the fiat currency of Hypebeast?

Not sure how the autographs could be driving secondary market value. The original purchaser has a shot at an auto, not the secondary purchaser. I think if an original purchaser snags an auto he would buy an unsigned one on eBay and ship that one out.

[JRX]

Who had the spreadsheet again or link to the site tracking everything.

[Snakeonia]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

The empty boxes are more than $15 bucks by themselves. /clectorthuganomics

15 for the box and bubble wrap, 2 dollars for the one touch (1 if you get a snaptite) cards are basically free.


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[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by doubledribble

Who got in early and has Ermsy Trouts on hand?

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i passed on it when it came out, had to pay $30 for my copy after i decided to make the Trout set

[Bl3rf]

Originally Posted by doubledribble

Who got in early and has Ermsy Trouts on hand?

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I have been grabbing 1 of every Trout, Ryan and Griffey... have since the start

[tysonbeck]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

Holy #@#@#@#@ topps shipped my beck George Brett’s

Let's go!!!!

[Bl3rf]

Originally Posted by justin80

Not sure how the autographs could be driving secondary market value. The original purchaser has a shot at an auto, not the secondary purchaser. I think if an original purchaser snags an auto he would buy an unsigned one on eBay and ship that one out.

Its a Gold Frame 1/1. Autos are from.the Artists sites

[JRX]

Man that Thiele Mo is incredible. I'd hang that on my wall.