2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

Assault weapon is a full auto weapon which haven’t been legal to make since 1986

And you have to jump through hoops, register and pay $$$ to get the privilege to own.

But “assault style” weapons. Those are the bad ones, they are really scary...

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

I’m confused what the 14 day is. Is it a decline in cases? If you keep expanding testing, cases will only go up. 25% of people in NYC probably have it

Off of whitehouse.gov -

Downward trajectory of documented cases within a 14-day period or Downward trajectory of positive tests as a percent of total tests within a 14-day period.

[Joan p]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

That’s the problem.
People who know nothing know something has to be done.

Stick to what you know.

The people of Sandy Hook disagree


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[techtre2003]

@Joan P - my quote function isn't working.
What is the tax rate in all of those countries with universal health care (not to mention population)? Again, you are asking that we pay more in taxes to provide health care and relying on our government to make it work. I don't have a crystal ball to tell you exactly what would happen but my money is on a totally mismanaged, red tape out the wazoo, rich get richer, everyone else gets screwed situation. Yes, many are already in that situation but asking the government to fix it by taking over, in my opinion, is a terrible idea.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Joan p

The people of Sandy Hook disagree


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The constitution disagrees.

Like I said, stay in your lane

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

I'm 100% ok with protesters voicing their opinions regarding the lockdowns. It's been incredibly frustrating for all of us. And this is coming from someone who works in healthcare and has seen the ramifications of covid.


What I'm not okay with is them showing up with semi-automatic rifles. Why?...……………..just why? Are they worried about an attack from a bunch of nurses? Do they need to defend themselves from a gang of left wing liberals? Are rabid animals on the loose?


I would take them a lot more seriously if they didn't portray themselves as a bunch of wingnuts--NOT ALL OF THEM, but enough to tarnish the whole group.


This is coming from a 2nd amendment supporter.

I'm with you. There is a better way to protest for some of them.

[yanksfan1]

I like to break down polls go gauge potential elections, but don't want to fall into the 2016 trap again. I've since started to look at betting odds to gauge the probability of election outcomes because these are made by people whose only interest is making money.

Found something interesting on Bovada with regards to these odds. If you go buy the candidate market, Trump is a -120 favorite to win and Biden is a +135 underdog. This market also includes additional candidates on both sides in the event either gets replaced. You can then go to the party market, where you can just bet on which party will win, in essence getting all possible candidates from a party. In this market, the GOP is -125 and the Democrats are -105. The odds for going from the candidate market to party market improve substantially more for the Democrats than the GOP. Why?

Additionally, despite being the underdogs in both markets, if you go to state markets, the Democrats are the favorite in AZ, PA, WI and MI, all states they lost in 2016. PA plus two of the other three, while holding other states, is enough to win. Additionally, they are only narrow underdogs in FL and NC.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by Joan p

I don’t know enough to disagree . I do know something had to be done and Canada stepped up


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But dont you already live in Canada? Along with all the other dims since early 2016?

[Joan p]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

The constitution disagrees.

Like I said, stay in your lane

I support the constitution and your unalienable right to own a musket


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[pac213up]

Originally Posted by yanksfan1

I like to break down polls go gauge potential elections, but don't want to fall into the 2016 trap again. I've since started to look at betting odds to gauge the probability of election outcomes because these are made by people whose only interest is making money.

Found something interesting on Bovada with regards to these odds. If you go buy the candidate market, Trump is a -120 favorite to win and Biden is a +135 underdog. This market also includes additional candidates on both sides in the event either gets replaced. You can then go to the party market, where you can just bet on which party will win, in essence getting all possible candidates from a party. In this market, the GOP is -125 and the Democrats are -105. The odds for going from the candidate market to party market improve substantially more for the Democrats than the GOP. Why?

Additionally, despite being the underdogs in both markets, if you go to state markets, the Democrats are the favorite in AZ, PA, WI and MI, all states they lost in 2016. PA plus two of the other three, while holding other states, is enough to win. Additionally, they are only narrow underdogs in FL and NC.

How did the betting market do in 2016?

[majestik101]

The new WH press secretary is a smoke show

[discostu]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Of course the 60+ demographic are more involved. Young people don't give a lot of thought towards retirement, but they most certainly should. But go ahead and dismiss the rest of the age groups as they go against your agenda.
For the record, I've taken out a loan against my 401K to help my daughter out with her college tuition.
Most people don't even realize they can do this. I get charged an interest rate of 3% which gets paid into, you guessed it, back into MY 401K. So I'm basically paying myself a 3% interest rate. There is a nominal fee somewhere around $35 a year for administrative costs.
The reason I mention this is to show my 401K is not just simply for my retirement, it can be used towards lots of other neccessesities.
Now I have no idea if other plans have this feature but I'm guessing most do.

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Your response is exactly what I'm referring to. You truly feel like you're part of it.

The article you linked mentioned how roughly 50 million Americans have a 401k. The total dollar amount is $4.5 trillion. The total value of the market was what when the article was written? Probably somewhere in the $35 trillion range.

Not sure of what you believe my agenda is, when I'm merely stating the obvious. The total 401k dollars is 13% of the market seems pretty much in line with what I'm stating.

Your 401k is part of that 13%, and good for you. But if you think for a moment that the other 87% of the market is being consumed by investors like you...you're mistaken.

A lot of people just have a 401k...and that's not influential market involvement.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by Joan p

I support the constitution and your unalienable right to own a musket


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Actually, the proper extreme articulation of this 2A perspective would be:
"I support the right of the government to maintain an armory of muskets and to invite you to borrow one for drill once per year for the purpose of the common defense."

Thoroughly discredited in the legal/constitutional literature, but I figured you'd want to be up to date with the most extreme, whacked-out take on this issue, for the sake of consistency.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by Joan p

I support the constitution and your unalienable right to own a musket


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Please feel free to use your horse and buggy to deliver your next post.

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[Siberian13]

So Canada is giving the people two full years to load up on guns. Stores are going to be packed and guns flying off the shelves I would think.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by discostu

Your response is exactly what I'm referring to. You truly feel like you're part of it.



The article you linked mentioned how roughly 50 million Americans have a 401k. The total dollar amount is $4.5 trillion. The total value of the market was what when the article was written? Probably somewhere in the $35 trillion range.



Not sure of what you believe my agenda is, when I'm merely stating the obvious. The total 401k dollars is 13% of the market seems pretty much in line with what I'm stating.



Your 401k is part of that 13%, and good for you. But if you think for a moment that the other 87% of the market is being consumed by investors like you...you're mistaken.



A lot of people just have a 401k...and that's not influential market involvement.

Would you not agree the percentage of 401K participants should be larger then?
The number of people not investing in their future is staggering and ridiculously stupid.
Way too many relying on social security, a socialist program, that everyone agrees is in financial trouble.

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[cnewby]

Originally Posted by majestik101

The new WH press secretary is a smoke show

Definitely, and smart. Tomi Lahren needs a job soon.

[majestik101]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

So Canada is giving the people two full years to load up on guns. Stores are going to be packed and guns flying off the shelves I would think.

It's the next logical step before the inevitable martial law that many countries are going to experience.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Joan p

I support the constitution and your unalienable right to own a musket


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If you want to put a static definition we are going to have to roll back quite a few protections afforded be other amendments.

It is very clear now, you don’t know. The 2A protects the right to own, it doesn’t specify based on what was available then.

Don’t be dense.

[Joan p]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Please feel free to use your horse and buggy to deliver your next post.

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Serious question: Where do you draw the line on what is acceptable for a private citizen to own? Unless you believe people have a right to own a nuclear warhead there has to be a line somewhere.


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[yanksfan1]

the new white house press secretary is married to Tampa Bay Rays pitcher, Sean Gilmartin

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

The constitution disagrees.

Like I said, stay in your lane

Yes, the constitution provides citizens the right to bear arms. Without turning this in to a whole "it's my constitutional right" thing , I'm looking for a reason why someone would need a semiautomatic/automatic weapon. Yes, it's your right. I get it, really. What is the purpose of it though? I'm not trying to start a fight. I have relatives who hunt regularly with hunting rifles. They seem to get the job done. However, I do have a cousin who owns a room of guns that would make an armory jealous. He doesn't hunt. I asked him about it and he just shrugs his shoulder and laughs. I don't get it.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by majestik101

It's the next logical step before the inevitable martial law that many countries are going to experience.

Martial Law would be fun for a few days until the people take the power back

[discostu]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Would you not agree the percentage of 401K participants should be larger then?
The number of people not investing in their future is staggering and ridiculously stupid.
Way too many relying on social security, a socialist program, that everyone agrees is in financial trouble.

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Of course it should be larger, just like fewer Americans should be living paycheck to paycheck. But there are real financial concerns that don't involve the market or 401ks.

But it would never negate my premise...the majority of Americans have little to no influence and/or impact regarding the stock market.

The stock market will always be stacked against those that can't weather a storm. Always.

The stock market would rather outsource a job or issue layoffs to increase share value, rather than maintain those that can't weather the storm.

We are in a bubble here, the entire forum is based around a hobby with tremendous expendable income. However, even in this market we get to see how market influences prey on the lower level collectors.

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Martial Law would be fun for a few days until the people take the power back

In all seriousness, I don't see how it could be fun.