2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Joan p]

Originally Posted by cnewby

I figured it out!!! Joan is Joy Behar.

Awesome, next week we’ll work on addition


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[cnewby]

Originally Posted by Joan p

Awesome, next week we’ll work on addition


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Can we hit up punctuation first?

[Astros19]

Quick observation.
If every post had the posters name removed along with any name or political party reference removed from their posts very few would be able to tell which side the poster was on.
#deflection
#whataboutism
Except jdands of course. His rambling word salad posts are always easily identifiable.
Oh, and chezball too because he's the king of memes/gifs.
So, anyone change their minds yet?
Carry on.

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[discostu]

Originally Posted by rman112

Because you're ignoring that it all very much is a left/right issue.

Biden has more to gain by being shut down. I would say that much is obvious.

I mention the media because they are not only heavily one-sided, but they have also clearly picked a side when it comes to how covid has been covered. Fear on top of more fear. Stay at home. Etc etc.

Not sure how Biden benefits here, because Trump holds the cards to trigger some sort of FDR-styled approach to pull the country out if he can muster a plan together. Trump's response to get America working and spending again will determine the election. Biden can simply wait on the sidelines.

Frankly, I don't think anyone has anything to gain by the shutdowns, most certainly not the governors. The shutdowns will have crippling effects on the local, state and national economies for decades.

Sure, the media, the slew of businesses able to capitalize on these types of disasters and certain individuals (like heavily funded shareholders) are set-up to benefit tremendously (to use some Trumpian hyperbole).

The winner of the 2020 presidential election will be in a worse spot than Obama in 2008, and that was most certainly a presidential election that you didn't really want to win.

Playing revisionist history regarding the Coronavirus isn't helping anyone...but the master of revisionist history on this is actually President Trump. Bouncing from it's basically nothing to supposedly calling it a pandemic before anyone to it's no more harmful that the flu to stating that there will be a lot of death to alluding to the pandemic as similar to a wartime to mandating social distancing to tweeting about liberating states he requested to stay at home.

Trump plays in the winds of his constituents...little more. And for the most part, they gladly inhale what he's selling as some sort of bastion of anti-establishment, 'voice of the little man' leader.

You could more easily argue that Trump has the most to gain from the shutdown as he thrives on division and has the potential to be the 'hero'...but even that's a stretch.

30 million unemployed over the last 6 weeks? Those people need some light at the end of the tunnel. Small businesses like ours, need some light at the end of the tunnel.

And if anyone thinks that those 30 million will have jobs once this opens up, you're sorely mistaken. There are a lot of businesses that are shuttered for good, whether they understand that now or not.

[cnewby]

"Joe Biden is Joe Biden"

[rman112]

Biden absolutely is benefitting. He's had to do far less public talking.. the thing he struggles mightily with. The party is well aware of this. Just look at how much of the talking his wife has been doing.

Democratic Governors aren't going to rock the boat. Why would they? They are aware of where the party stands, and they all want advancement opportunities.

Trump has been painted as the enemy, and the guy responsible for countless deaths (and the deaths that come after we open up). His opposition right now isn't being asked to do much of anything.

I guess it really depends on what you think Trump can/will do, and when.

[zachtruitt]

30 million unemployed.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by zachtruitt

30 million unemployed.

Who is at fault?

[jdandns]

It's "Poligrip" not "poly grip".

Here's Trump demonstrating what happens when denture wearers fail to use enough of it.



They even lied about this, claiming he had a "dry throat".

[Joan p]

Originally Posted by zachtruitt

30 million unemployed.

Makes you wonder if there isn’t a better way


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[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by rman112

Who is at fault?

No one is the right answer

But that’s not the answer you want.

[Whodatiz]

Originally Posted by CC_123

I mean, they have already skewed the numbers an insane amount. Might as well add it.

The CDC website (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm) shows that we have 35k deaths from COVID, yet the reported numbers are over 60k because of how much they have manipulated and skewed the numbers. Also, the flu (yes, I know this isn't the flu) hospitalized 68 people per 100k people this last year. COVID has hospitalized 29 people per 100k, yet we are in lockdown for it. This is absolutely asinine at this point.

Interesting. That link no longer works.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

No one is the right answer

But that’s not the answer you want.

No, that was the answer I wanted. Deaths and unemployment were inevitable.

[Joan p]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-go...tay-home-order


https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/...ions-and-more/


Here are some links. And she isn't back down on any of this

I read both of these. I checked a random Lowe’s in Michigan that seems to be open to curbside service . It doesn’t mention any restrictions on available products


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[discostu]

Originally Posted by rman112

Biden absolutely is benefitting. He's had to do far less public talking.. the thing he struggles mightily with. The party is well aware of this. Just look at how much of the talking his wife has been doing.

Democratic Governors aren't going to rock the boat. Why would they? They are aware of where the party stands, and they all want advancement opportunities.

Trump has been painted as the enemy, and the guy responsible for countless deaths (and the deaths that come after we open up). His opposition right now isn't being asked to do much of anything.

I guess it really depends on what you think Trump can/will do, and when.

This is everything.

The Trump Administration can do a lot. It's possible to maintain the administration's own social distancing protocols while getting Americans working again by tackling a campaign promise regarding infrastructure projects.

The major hangup however is that economic success is viewed within the administration as a direct tie to the stock market, and that is a fallacy. The response all along has been to stop or limit the cratering of the stock market, and that affects such a small percentage of Americans.

Now, he's done a great job convincing people that the stock market's success is somehow indicative of the success of everyday Americans, so hats off to him...but it's really problematic when people begin to realize that they are left out of this "boom." He also previously touted record unemployment numbers, however the big picture is that many weren't making ends meet with those jobs.

He absolutely has the ability to dig the country out and better the country, but I think the only way he can do that is by moving away from the stock market as a focal point of economic success. And while I hope he does an FDR-styled approach to this, I don't see that happening.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by discostu

Not sure how Biden benefits here, because Trump holds the cards to trigger some sort of FDR-styled approach to pull the country out if he can muster a plan together. Trump's response to get America working and spending again will determine the election. Biden can simply wait on the sidelines.

Biden waiting on the sideline? It's more of a case of his handlers wanting him in isolation because he's having trouble putting together a complete sentence.

Frankly, I don't think anyone has anything to gain by the shutdowns, most certainly not the governors. The shutdowns will have crippling effects on the local, state and national economies for decades.

You must not have anything to do with social media. There are plenty of folks begging to keep things shut down. Be it fear of the virus or because they hope it hurts Trump come election time is debatable.

Sure, the media, the slew of businesses able to capitalize on these types of disasters and certain individuals (like heavily funded shareholders) are set-up to benefit tremendously (to use some Trumpian hyperbole).

"Never let a crisis go to waste" Rahm Emanuel

The winner of the 2020 presidential election will be in a worse spot than Obama in 2008, and that was most certainly a presidential election that you didn't really want to win.

Also debatable. At some point there is only one way to go, which is up.

Playing revisionist history regarding the Coronavirus isn't helping anyone...but the master of revisionist history on this is actually President Trump. Bouncing from it's basically nothing to supposedly calling it a pandemic before anyone to it's no more harmful that the flu to stating that there will be a lot of death to alluding to the pandemic as similar to a wartime to mandating social distancing to tweeting about liberating states he requested to stay at home.

He's done his best to try to be a calming presence. Something that's extremely difficult when the media attacks and takes out of context his every word.

Trump plays in the winds of his constituents...little more. And for the most part, they gladly inhale what he's selling as some sort of bastion of anti-establishment, 'voice of the little man' leader.

Welcome to politics in America. Both sides are quite good at this.

You could more easily argue that Trump has the most to gain from the shutdown as he thrives on division and has the potential to be the 'hero'...but even that's a stretch.

Can you at least admit his could work both ways for Trump? Hell the same could be said of any politician on either side of the political aisle.

30 million unemployed over the last 6 weeks? Those people need some light at the end of the tunnel. Small businesses like ours, need some light at the end of the tunnel.

The funny thing about this statement, Democrats are starting to realize this. Most who don't agree with this are in my opinion Democrats though and Democrats are also in the damned if I do, damned if I don't category.

And if anyone thinks that those 30 million will have jobs once this opens up, you're sorely mistaken. There are a lot of businesses that are shuttered for good, whether they understand that now or not.

I tend to believe there will be plenty of entrepreneurs who will fill the void left by those who's businesses were doomed. If things ever get back to normal, people will still need haircuts, travel agents, restaurants and many other non essential entities.

My replies are in bold. Take your political blinders off.

[Dielon]

Originally Posted by jdandns

It's "Poligrip" not "poly grip".

Here's Trump demonstrating what happens when denture wearers fail to use enough of it.



They even lied about this, claiming he had a "dry throat".

Who knows, probably dentures. In before someone posts Hillary doin' it like Bernie.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by Joan p

I read both of these. I checked a random Lowe’s in Michigan that seems to be open to curbside service . It doesn’t mention any restrictions on available products


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Drive into one.....in Michigan.

[Joan p]

Originally Posted by cnewby

Drive into one.....in Michigan.

You first


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[Astros19]

Originally Posted by discostu

This is everything.

The Trump Administration can do a lot. It's possible to maintain the administration's own social distancing protocols while getting Americans working again by tackling a campaign promise regarding infrastructure projects.

The major hangup however is that economic success is viewed within the administration as a direct tie to the stock market, and that is a fallacy. The response all along has been to stop or limit the cratering of the stock market, and that affects such a small percentage of Americans.

Now, he's done a great job convincing people that the stock market's success is somehow indicative of the success of everyday Americans, so hats off to him...but it's really problematic when people begin to realize that they are left out of this "boom." He also previously touted record unemployment numbers, however the big picture is that many weren't making ends meet with those jobs.

He absolutely has the ability to dig the country out and better the country, but I think the only way he can do that is by moving away from the stock market as a focal point of economic success. And while I hope he does an FDR-styled approach to this, I don't see that happening.

You've been beating this drum over and over and it's just not true.
This article is from Forbes and says the number of Americans without a retirement program is close to 25%. That means 75% of Americans do have retirement programs which are heavily influenced by the rise and fall of the stock market.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmc.../#781fc7473ebf

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by Joan p

Easy to say when I stay home ? I busted my butt to get here, I earned the right and the money to be able to retire at a slightly earlier age so I could raise my grand daughter.
As far as the best way to deal with this pandemic? Get a degree in public health then your opinion may matter . Until then I’ll listen to Fauci


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So you're going too listen to the guy who said back in February that this wasn't going to be a big deal? HA! You realize that Fauci's only job is a doctor and he wants to cure this thing and limit deaths. He could care less if you die from something else. He could care less if the economy tanks. He could care less if businesses never come back. Andy why? Because that's not his job. But you would rather see the entire country destroyed by a doctor for not even 1% death rate. How pathetic!

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by CC_123

I mean, they have already skewed the numbers an insane amount. Might as well add it.

The CDC website (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm) shows that we have 35k deaths from COVID, yet the reported numbers are over 60k because of how much they have manipulated and skewed the numbers. Also, the flu (yes, I know this isn't the flu) hospitalized 68 people per 100k people this last year. COVID has hospitalized 29 people per 100k, yet we are in lockdown for it. This is absolutely asinine at this point.

We disagree on B1G Football but are on the same side #FTheLockdown

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by Joan p

You first


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How dumb. I live here...... and go to the store. I know what it looks like.

[CC_123]

Originally Posted by Whodatiz

Interesting. That link no longer works.

Try the link again. It worked when I just clicked on it, but they must have been updating the information.

[CC_123]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

We disagree on B1G Football but are on the same side #FTheLockdown

I was fine with the lockdown when the initial idea behind it was to not overwhelm the health care system. But we have clearly achieved that. We have actually achieved it so well that hospitals are closing and hospital employees are being furloughed. Now politicians (both Dem and Rep) are just playing their political game to try to gain the advantage on the other party at the hands of the countries citizens.