Corona Virus

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

On a very granular level this is huge. If you have traveled the US, or better yet the world, you realize that is small in scale on the grand level.

The interesting thing is 8000 people die per day in the US, Sickness, Suicide, Natural causes etc. Were at 13000 over two plus months and will be on peak within the next 10 days.

Even more interesting including the 13k Corona Virus deaths, we have seen no substantial increase nor decrease in our death rate.

You could make a serious argument that Covid-19 is saving as many lives as its taking--and I know that sounds wild, but strictly on numbers its fact.

Many of the things you have noted are not contagious diseases. So in that sense. It’s not apples to apples. You can twist things anyway you want to say this isn’t a big deal, but it is.

And let me be frank, this is the argument I was hoping to have. That the death and infected cases was low enough for people to bang their chests and say “see we were right. It’s no big deal”

So I’m ok with these comments. The reason the scale was limited was because we reacted or overreacted, depending on your view point. There are enough pockets of highly infected and affected areas to know what could have happened.

[Wiseguy917]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Many of the things you have noted are not contagious diseases. So in that sense. It’s not apples to apples. You can twist things anyway you want to say this isn’t a big deal, but it is.

And let me be frank, this is the argument I was hoping to have. That the death and infected cases was low enough for people to bang their chests and say “see we were right. It’s no big deal”

So I’m ok with these comments. The reason the scale was limited was because we reacted or overreacted, depending on your view point. There are enough pockets of highly infected and affected areas to know what could have happened.

Could, should, would, with some if’s and but’s...

Bottom line, the poor got poorer and the rich got richer and you fell hook, line and sinker for another doomsday.

[DegaBama]

Sweden looks good with what they did. Had the 65+ crowd and folks with underlying conditions stay home, and kept everything else normal.

I wonder if that happens to be the next step when we start gradually going back to normal.

[IronMonkey415]

Weekly reminder.... BO members are still safe from this.
Lets keep it that way.

Isn't there also another weekly reminder that someone has as well? Just asking.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Wiseguy917

Could, should, would, with some if’s and but’s...

Bottom line, the poor got poorer and the rich got richer and you fell hook, line and sinker for another doomsday.

The response mitigated the result.
You may not agree with the consequences but facts are facts.

[Siberian13]

The Purge has begun in Louisiana!!!! Let’s do this!!!

[Whodatiz]

Originally Posted by IronMonkey415

Weekly reminder.... BO members are still safe from this.
Lets keep it that way.

Isn't there also another weekly reminder that someone has as well? Just asking.

You betcha fella. This is the China virus.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by charnick

for those that still believe in science and the scientific method, yet another hospital conducting hydroxycholoroquine treatment studies has shut them down due to cardiac side effects:

https://www.nicematin.com/sante/coro...de-nice-489118

and from an earlier post of mine that got lost in the morass, northern Europe's largest hospital had previously already stopped their clinical trials because the drug was causing more harm than good:

https://www.gp.se/nyheter/göteborg/s...-19-1.26236140

ACTUAL, REAL SCIENCE is showing no efficacy and potential damage in COVID-19 patients.

Keep nailin it dude ...

[Joan p]

Originally Posted by Whodatiz

You betcha fella. This is the China virus.

Not a sheep


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[TheFrenzy]

I have never advocated for the criminal prosecution of journalists......

......but seeing as how several media institutions have intentionally muddied the waters on the only treatments currently showing effectiveness, that seems beyond negligent to me.

The latest global survey released three days ago shows that 1 in 3 physicians treating COVID-19 have prescribed hydroxychloroquine. They also rated hydroxychloroquine as the most effective treatment option they had observed.

No ones claiming that it’s a “silver bullet,” but we’re talking about an anti-malarial that has been used to treat a range of conditions for 60+ years and that has shown enough signs of producing some positive effects that doctors around the world feel comfortable prescribing it.

Why isn’t that in the headlines?

[tennelson55]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Keep nailin it dude ...

Trump saying it in his presser last night of his daily corona virus update means something. The POTUS doesn't retract/acknowledge when questioned about the side effects unless they are true; at least I hope so.

If he's just whirl-winding it again smh. He does it too often and he makes people feel uneartherd.

[Whodatiz]

Originally Posted by Joan p

Not a sheep


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I'm not but thank you for asking Joan.

#feelthebern

[majestik101]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

The Purge has begun in Louisiana!!!! Let’s do this!!!

Meh. Not enough gunshots and screaming.

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Many of the things you have noted are not contagious diseases. So in that sense. It’s not apples to apples. You can twist things anyway you want to say this isn’t a big deal, but it is.

And let me be frank, this is the argument I was hoping to have. That the death and infected cases was low enough for people to bang their chests and say “see we were right. It’s no big deal”

So I’m ok with these comments. The reason the scale was limited was because we reacted or overreacted, depending on your view point. There are enough pockets of highly infected and affected areas to know what could have happened.

So great, lets talk infectious disease. The positive test rate for Corona Virus is around 3%....of individuals tested.

To help further your perspective of the Granular vs the Grand scheme, I'm going to inflate these numbers in your favor.

Currently at the time of me typing this there are 410,843 positive cases of Corona Virus in the US.

To help your argument I am going to increase the positive test rate from 3% and almost double it to 5%. (Conceptually this would help your argument.)

So lets assume at 5% 410,843 positive cases that 8,216,860 people have been tested.

Now in order to get a Corona virus test, means generally a physician has looked at you or spoke with you about your symptoms, you are certainly under the weather and your symptoms, if they are indeed negative of Corona Virus are going to line up with the Flu or Phenomena.

My point here is, it is unarguable that an extreme majority of people are under the weather with a contagious disease.

This means 7,806,017 people have been infected with a different infectious disease in the time Corona virus has tabbed 410,843.

BUT to take any counter argument out of the picture......

Im going to afford you 10% of people tested felt fine. (Super unrealistic, but lets roll with it)

That drops that number to 7,025,957 people sick with a infectious diseases not named COVID-19 when factoring that in.

But, but, but lets factor in the people who had it and no one knew. Sure. I'll counter that with the millions that thought they needed tested and consulted a Doctor who confirmed they had the standard flu or cold.

What I am telling you, is you are looking at things in a fear driven media, granular level way.

Every number above is fact and adjusted to the benefit of your argument and I have not even brought up the economy and lives affected outside of sickness.

We can assume based on sample size that the positive test rate wont waiver much from where it is now.

What I derive from this, that while serious, many Americans have no clue how contagious we are simply as humans, and how many infections we pass to each other daily, weekly, monthly. 7 Million Sick people who tested NEGATIVE, and were shut down over the 400k that tested positive.

Were losing our cool over a national death rate that has not wavered, and an infection rate that is being dwarfed by our more common diseases.

This is all being acknowledged as the models are dropping the projected death counts daily. 60k now, and will probably land somewhere closer to 30 than 60.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by majestik101

Meh. Not enough gunshots and screaming.

The word begun is in there

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

So great, lets talk infectious disease. The positive test rate for Corona Virus is around 3%....of individuals tested.

To help further your perspective of the Granular vs the Grand scheme, I'm going to inflate these numbers in your favor.

Currently at the time of me typing this there are 410,843 positive cases of Corona Virus in the US.

To help your argument I am going to increase the positive test rate from 3% and almost double it to 5%. (Conceptually this would help your argument.)

So lets assume at 5% 410,843 positive cases that 8,216,860 people have been tested.

Now in order to get a Corona virus test, means generally a physician has looked at you or spoke with you about your symptoms, you are certainly under the weather and your symptoms, if they are indeed negative of Corona Virus are going to line up with the Flu or Phenomena.

My point here is, it is unarguable that an extreme majority of people are under the weather with a contagious disease.

This means 7,806,017 people have been infected with a different infectious disease in the time Corona virus has tabbed 410,843.

BUT to take any counter argument out of the picture......

Im going to afford you 10% of people tested felt fine. (Super unrealistic, but lets roll with it)

That drops that number to 7,025,957 people sick with a infectious diseases not named COVID-19 when factoring that in.

But, but, but lets factor in the people who had it and no one knew. Sure. I'll counter that with the millions that thought they needed tested and consulted a Doctor who confirmed they had the standard flu or cold.

What I am telling you, is you are looking at things in a fear driven media, granular level way.

Every number above is fact and adjusted to the benefit of your argument and I have not even brought up the economy and lives affected outside of sickness.

We can assume based on sample size that the positive test rate wont waiver much from where it is now.

What I derive from this, that while serious, many Americans have no clue how contagious we are simply as humans, and how many infections we pass to each other daily, weekly, monthly. 7 Million Sick people who tested NEGATIVE, and were shut down over the 400k that tested positive.

Were losing our cool over a national death rate that has not wavered, and an infection rate that is being dwarfed by our more common diseases.

This is all being acknowledged as the models are dropping the projected death counts daily. 60k now, and will probably land somewhere closer to 30 than 60.

Cliff notes Zona cliff notes

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Cliff notes Zona cliff notes

I know man--was drawing out a math problem.

Cliff notes--

Look at all the people who were tested and negative. All those people were obviously sick with another contagious disease.

Were talking about 7 Million sent for test with the flu/cold/pneumonia, compared to the 410k cases of corona virus we got out of those 8 Million test of sick people.

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

On a very granular level this is huge. If you have traveled the US, or better yet the world, you realize that is small in scale on the grand level.

The interesting thing is 8000 people die per day in the US, Sickness, Suicide, Natural causes etc. Were at 13000 over two plus months and will be on peak within the next 10 days.

Even more interesting including the 13k Corona Virus deaths, we have seen no substantial increase nor decrease in our death rate.

You could make a serious argument that Covid-19 is saving as many lives as its taking--and I know that sounds wild, but strictly on numbers its fact.

Talk about your classic case of not understanding what is going on and/or pure naivety about how it takes time for the virus to go from initial cases to causing problems such as widespread deaths.

Sure, it's been 2 months since it showed up here, but about 10K of those deaths have been in the last week and about all but 1K of them have been over the last 2 weeks. So to say 13K over 2 months is just a joke of a statement and trying to make it sound like it's less of a problem then it is right now.

Through March 30th we hadn't passed 560 deaths in one day and since then we haven't dropped below 912 with only 2 days at less than 1,000 in a day.

We're already at close to 1,400 deaths today and it's not even noon yet in parts of the country, we might go from no days of 2,000 deaths and right into 3,000 in a day today. Right now Italy still has the most deaths at around 17.5K and have had decreasing rates for about a week now, while we very possibly (if not probably) will have that many deaths in the next 7 days by themselves.

Trying to still minimize the death rate impact this is having right now is just sad and pathetic.

I'm sorry, it's just so frustrating to see people still saying, "but in 2 months we still only have 13,000 deaths" when in reality it's, we've had 10,000 deaths in a week and will more than double that rate over the next week. Particularly when it's the same people who have been against the closing down of everything, could you imagine the death toll if that hadn't been going on for almost the past month in many places?

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

Talk about your classic case of not understanding what is going on and/or pure naivety about how it takes time for the virus to go from initial cases to causing problems such as widespread deaths.

Sure, it's been 2 months since it showed up here, but about 10K of those deaths have been in the last week and about all but 1K of them have been over the last 2 weeks. So to say 13K over 2 months is just a joke of a statement and trying to make it sound like it's less of a problem then it is right now.

Through March 30th we hadn't passed 560 deaths in one day and since then we haven't dropped below 912 with only 2 days at less than 1,000 in a day.

We're already at close to 1,400 deaths today and it's not even noon yet in parts of the country, we might go from no days of 2,000 deaths and right into 3,000 in a day today. Right now Italy still has the most deaths at around 17.5K and have had decreasing rates for about a week now, while we very possibly (if not probably) will have that many deaths in the next 7 days by themselves.

Trying to still minimize the death rate impact this is having right now is just sad and pathetic.

I'm sorry, it's just so frustrating to see people still saying, "but in 2 months we still only have 13,000 deaths" when in reality it's, we've had 10,000 deaths in a week and will more than double that rate over the next week. Particularly when it's the same people who have been against the closing down of everything, could you imagine the death toll if that hadn't been going on for almost the past month in many places?

Harping at the minimizing the deaths due to CV is weak. Its been played out here and everyone who has gone down that path has gotten knocked off their high and mighty pedestal. It's sad people die, we get it, we understand it. I hope the families of those with pre-existing conditions find peace. I mean that.....so does everyone else, red, yellow, black or white.

Simple question's I want direct answers to, not another book.

1. Has the daily death rate in the US fluctuated since the Corona Virus hit the US? This is a yes or no question.

2. What percentage of the population is 13,000 people? Now 30,000? Now the newly projected 60,000 (down from 250k). This is simple math, so I just want the mathematical answer.

Don't formulate a response to anything else till those are answered.

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

Harping at the minimizing the deaths due to CV is weak. Its been played out here and everyone who has gone down that path has gotten knocked off their high and mighty pedestal. It's sad people die, we get it, we understand it. I hope the families of those with pre-existing conditions find peace. I mean that.....so does everyone else, red, yellow, black or white.

Simple question's I want direct answers to, not another book.

1. Has the daily death rate in the US fluctuated since the Corona Virus hit the US? This is a yes or no question.

2. What percentage of the population is 13,000 people?

Don't formulate a response to anything else till those are answered.

I'm not staying here to argue, especially when you make such a stupid post like this.

1. Who cares.... if it hasn't changed it can be attributed to things like driving accident deaths not happening, not because this isn't killing people at a high rate that is still increasing by large amounts daily. And even if it hasn't changed... why is that an argument as to why it's okay people are dying to a new virus with no treatments?

Without it, the death rates would be dropping right now then, and wouldn't that be just fantastic?

If things like lack of traffic deaths are what is keeping the rate the same, if everything wasn't closed down all those would still be happening on top of an even higher death rate due to the virus spreading even faster.

2. Again who cares... you're trying to say a "minimal" amount of deaths isn't a problem because it's a low percentage of the population, when many (most?) of these people wouldn't be dying right now if not for this virus.

Stop trying to minimize the fact that people are dying who wouldn't be dying right now if not for this virus, regardless of the overall death rates or percentage of the population. That's just a fact right now, many of the people dying of this would NOT be dying right now, and you're trying to say it's okay because it's a small percentage of people or we're still having the same number of people dying each day.

EDIT since you added to your question...

You do realize that the reason those projected numbers are dropping is because of the social distancing and not because it's less deadly, right?

They've come out and said the projections talked about last week was expecting only 50% of American's to take it seriously but because so many more than that are taking it seriously that it's going to have a major impact in the death rate.

The people who wanted nothing shut down can't use any number of "low" deaths to say they were right and that things shouldn't be shut down as that would be the ONLY reason the numbers MIGHT be lower than expected.

[Whodatiz]

Oh great, here we go.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

But what? What is going to open, realistically.

I'm of the belief that without an antibody test, we're not making enough progress. We still don't have a handle on just how many people have gone thru a cycle of this virus and until we know that ... we're stuck.

I agree. Antibody test and rapid test kits need to be accessible in large amounts. Still looks like some States are either under reporting or under testing as well, so those things need to get resolved.

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

I'm not staying here to argue, especially when you make such a stupid post like this.

1. Who cares.... if it hasn't changed it can be attributed to things like driving accident deaths not happening, not because this isn't killing people at a high rate that is still increasing by large amounts daily. And even if it hasn't changed... why is that an argument as to why it's okay people are dying to a new virus with no treatments?

Without it, the death rates would be dropping right now then, and wouldn't that be just fantastic?

If things like lack of traffic deaths are what is keeping the rate the same, if everything wasn't closed down all those would still be happening on top of an even higher death rate due to the virus spreading even faster.

2. Again who cares... you're trying to say a "minimal" amount of deaths isn't a problem because it's a low percentage of the population, when many (most?) of these people wouldn't be dying right now if not for this virus.

Stop trying to minimize the fact that people are dying who wouldn't be dying right now if not for this virus, regardless of the overall death rates or percentage of the population. That's just a fact right now, many of the people dying of this would NOT be dying right now, and you're trying to say it's okay because it's a small percentage of people or we're still having the same number of people dying each day.

Exactly what I thought. Don't come in here and write 12 page novels if you cant answer simple questions that blow your weak arguments out the water.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

Trying to still minimize the death rate impact this is having right now is just sad and pathetic.

I'm sorry, it's just so frustrating to see people still saying, "but in 2 months we still only have 13,000 deaths" when in reality it's, we've had 10,000 deaths in a week and will more than double that rate over the next week. Particularly when it's the same people who have been against the closing down of everything, could you imagine the death toll if that hadn't been going on for almost the past month in many places?

The rate will not more than double, because it won't double. To your point about minimizing the death rate the ~50,000 dead Americans from this virus is a tragedy. As were the 35,000 that died from the Flu last year, the 61,000 that died from the Flu the year before, the 610,000 that died from cancer last year etc. etc.

I am certainly one of the people that believe we made the mistake of closing the country down (as a whole) in the face of this pandemic. From day one, I have advocated for taking strong precauctions and fortifying the population centers that need help and supplies the most (like NYC, Phily, Chicago, Detroit, etc.). To me, this was always going to be a regional tragedy. I still believe that is/was the right strategy and to be clear, I fear what comes next so much more than I feared this.

I have no doubt that the mitigation steps taken saved American lives. How many is up for debate. But I am also of the opinion that when we look back at what we did, how we did it and why we did it, we'll come to have learned we made a mistake. From the jump, our hypotheses were wrong and it was all uphill thereafter.

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

Exactly what I thought. Don't come in here and write 12 page novels if you cant answer simple questions that blow your limp wristed arguments out the water.

They don't blow up any argument, all they do is prove that you're unable to grasp what is going on right now.

Tons of people are dying right now who would not be dying if not for this virus, period. That is a flat out fact that is indisputable and your questions are trying to minimize that fact.

To use your favorite person's favorite phrase.

SAD!