Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer - Page 2

Giants1964 · 03-31-2020, 06:47 PM

I can't change your mind they are terrible

salthill · 03-31-2020, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by gmarutiak

As a Pirates fan, I was looking forward to seeing what the Clemente card looked like. Just looked at the Clemente card, and I literally laughed out loud. These are so, so bad.

You really only need to look at the names of the "artists" to know that these are going to be horrendous.

There are twenty different Clementes. Maybe one of the others will be to your taste.

commando · 03-31-2020, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by eye4talent

Apparently Bannister’s picture is a screen grab from To Catch a Predator. I would not be happy if my portrait turned out like that...

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You are so right! And the artist who drew Julio Cruz was a little ambitious with his heavy-swingin' interpretation... Cruz hit 23 home runs in ten seasons.

salthill · 03-31-2020, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

Change my mind.

These cards are grotesque.

Why would anyone want to change your mind?
There are 400 cards in the set (20 cards x 20 artists). Hopefully you’ll hate them all equally - so you won’t need to waste any time ranking them.

marterburn · 03-31-2020, 07:07 PM

Love & hate. There is no in between here it seems...

Again I'll say, you gotta like modern art to appreciate these. They're not ugly if you like modern art. Sure, some of them will not be to your taste. But you're not going to come out & flatly say "they're ugly".

For instance, the Ripken isn't for me. I think that style will work better for cards that have more action, or are more colors. The original Ripken card is so iconic because it's such a stoic pose in a placid background. You lose that with the simplistic style.

But here ^^^ is not what we're getting at with this discussion. Ya'll don't care about art. Ya'll don't care about interpretation. Baseball (& baseball cards) are linear, art is not. That's why these interpretations seem like such a juxtaposition into the baseball card world.

Calling them ugly is not a constructive criticism. But there's not room for constructive criticism in baseball, apparently.

biggieruth · 03-31-2020, 07:38 PM

I got the ichro and jr card might get the other ones I think their cool and something different.

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jdandns · 03-31-2020, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedMachine80

I guess it's about time a product that is uglier than '91 Fleer emerged. They had a good run. 29 years of being the ugliest baseball card in production. Time to hand that crown over Fleer. Meanwhile 1990 Donruss is looking on and clapping.

'95 Fleer says hold my beer.

I remember opening packs of that abomination and thinking each card was even uglier than the one before it.
'91 Fleer was indeed gross, but it was only one design for the whole set. '95 Fleer had a different awful design for each division.

WallyatJCCards · 03-31-2020, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

Change my mind.

These cards are grotesque.

SO glad I didn't get sucked in.....

marterburn · 03-31-2020, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

Change my mind.

These cards are grotesque.

Funny you use the word grotesque, because, well, this is considered a masterpiece.

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BigRedMachine80 · 03-31-2020, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jdandns

'95 Fleer says hold my beer.

I remember opening packs of that abomination and thinking each card was even uglier than the one before it.
'91 Fleer was indeed gross, but it was only one design for the whole set. '95 Fleer had a different awful design for each division.

Oh man, I missed these turds. I got out of the game in '92 and didn't come back until the early 00's ignoring the 90's...which I continue to do now.

jjj5278 · 03-31-2020, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by gmarutiak

You really only need to look at the names of the "artists" to know that these are going to be horrendous.

The hell? You can tell how good an artist is by their name? I’m sorry but that might be the stupidest thing I’ve read in awhile. You should look up Mister Cartoons tattoos he has done. Some are absolutely amazing. But it seems to me you have a very narrow mind to begin with so expanding it with actual artwork probably won’t happen.

kidfan9 · 04-01-2020, 01:04 AM

I'm a HUGE Ted Williams fan but I'm passing on his first one in this set.

SmokeyJ · 04-01-2020, 10:09 AM

I like the concept and will likely pick up a few. I'm waiting for the first Mattingly to come out.

I like the variety so far and the odd designs.

Then again, I'm the person that likes to spend more time in the "modern art" sections of art museums where there can be some, uh, rather challenging art.

smapdi · 04-01-2020, 10:25 AM

They've really grown on me, and I'm probably going to piece the set together over time. Some I don't care for, but that's fine. As for changing the OP's mind, that's not the point of art. That's the point of art criticism, which is one of the most worthless pastimes ever created.

Anyone have an Ichiro or Koufax they'd like to let go for something close to release price?

Zauron · 04-01-2020, 10:31 AM

Some of these have no appeal to me, at all.

The Trout, the Ripken, they look horrible to me.

Some of them do look pretty decent, but still $20 for a non-numbered card is meh.

ATLOTP · 04-01-2020, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by marterburn

Funny you use the word grotesque, because, well, this is considered a masterpiece.

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Beautiful painting.

I picked up the Trout because I thought it looked fantastic. The Ripken looked nice too, but I didn't feel strongly enough about it to buy. The currently available ones are decent but not my style.

I don't understand how y'all can accept other stretches of the medium but not this one. Baseball cards started as inserts in tobacco products and have included all sorts of wacky stuff. Scratch-off cards, rip cards, oversized box toppers, a Yastrzemski puzzle, clear cards, die cuts, auto books with fifty signatures. How is this different than those? Why are you willing to accept a Global Game Medallion and not an art card when they're both baseball?

Comix Guy · 04-01-2020, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ATLOTP

Beautiful painting.

I picked up the Trout because I thought it looked fantastic. The Ripken looked nice too, but I didn't feel strongly enough about it to buy. The currently available ones are decent but not my style.

I don't understand how y'all can accept other stretches of the medium but not this one. Baseball cards started as inserts in tobacco products and have included all sorts of wacky stuff. Scratch-off cards, rip cards, oversized box toppers, a Yastrzemski puzzle, clear cards, die cuts, auto books with fifty signatures. How is this different than those? Why are you willing to accept a Global Game Medallion and not an art card when they're both baseball?

Because sports cards are of actual people. Art can be of things that are not real, such as the painting above.

thenwhatjk · 04-01-2020, 12:04 PM

Blah blah blah indeed

ethanwa · 04-01-2020, 12:05 PM

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I like a few, don't like the rest. Buy what you like.

The print runs on these things clearly show that there is a market for them.

marterburn · 04-01-2020, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Comix Guy

Because sports cards are of actual people. Art can be of things that are not real, such as the painting above.

C'mon man. Picasso's 'Portrait of Gertrude Stein', 'Guernica'. Duchamp's 'Nude Descending a Staircase'. All have real people. Here's a different Goya. Real event depiction:

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Comix Guy · 04-01-2020, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by marterburn

C'mon man. Picasso's 'Portrait of Gertrude Stein', 'Guernica'. Duchamp's 'Nude Descending a Staircase'. All have real people. Here's a different Goya. Real event depiction:

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Yes, news flash many people even get their own portraits painted.

marterburn · 04-01-2020, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Comix Guy

Yes, news flash many people even get their own portraits painted.

You're flashing nothing to me. I literally just mentioned Gertrude Stein.

Ok, so then it's specifically cards, not real people in general then like you previously said. You're not OK with having your cards as art, is what you mean.

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kykid4uk · 04-01-2020, 01:43 PM

I haven't even seen the cards, and I'll argue that there's no way they are worse than 91 Fleer. Don't think you could top that set for worst ever even if you were trying.

redsandbengals · 04-01-2020, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i like 1991 Fleer

I like 1991 Fleer as well. And 1990 Donruss.

These remind me of 1996 Fleer Metal. Some crazy designs on those, I liked them. These though... some look cool, others, not so much.

SmokeyJ · 04-01-2020, 06:52 PM

I've always found 1992 Donruss worse than 1991 Fleer.

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marterburn Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: Milwaukee area Posts: 4,719 burnmax12 burnmax12	Love & hate. There is no in between here it seems... Again I'll say, you gotta like modern art to appreciate these. They're not ugly if you like modern art. Sure, some of them will not be to your taste. But you're not going to come out & flatly say "they're ugly". For instance, the Ripken isn't for me. I think that style will work better for cards that have more action, or are more colors. The original Ripken card is so iconic because it's such a stoic pose in a placid background. You lose that with the simplistic style. But here ^^^ is not what we're getting at with this discussion. Ya'll don't care about art. Ya'll don't care about interpretation. Baseball (& baseball cards) are linear, art is not. That's why these interpretations seem like such a juxtaposition into the baseball card world. Calling them ugly is not a constructive criticism. But there's not room for constructive criticism in baseball, apparently. Last edited by marterburn; 03-31-2020 at 07:10 PM.

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kidfan9 Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: Tennessee Posts: 2,639	I'm a HUGE Ted Williams fan but I'm passing on his first one in this set. __________________ Ted Williams-Baseball's last .400 hitter

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Zauron Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 5,630	Some of these have no appeal to me, at all. The Trout, the Ripken, they look horrible to me. Some of them do look pretty decent, but still $20 for a non-numbered card is meh. __________________ Champ Bailey Collector! Currently: 909/2602 hermanotarjeta: You've been BRIOSED!!!!!!!!!

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thenwhatjk Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Berrrrrrwyyyyn IL Posts: 9,091 thenwhatjk	Blah blah blah indeed __________________ White Sox. Oilers/Titans. Bears. Bulls.

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Giants1964 Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 326	I can't change your mind they are terrible

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biggieruth Banned Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Raleigh N.C. Posts: 1,720 dolomitebiggie biggieruth	I got the ichro and jr card might get the other ones I think their cool and something different. Sent from my LG-M255 using Tapatalk

04-01-2020, 10:09 AM	#38
SmokeyJ Member Join Date: Oct 2019 Posts: 1,086 smokeyj628	I like the concept and will likely pick up a few. I'm waiting for the first Mattingly to come out. I like the variety so far and the odd designs. Then again, I'm the person that likes to spend more time in the "modern art" sections of art museums where there can be some, uh, rather challenging art.

04-01-2020, 10:25 AM	#39
smapdi Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 1,768 piledriver1	They've really grown on me, and I'm probably going to piece the set together over time. Some I don't care for, but that's fine. As for changing the OP's mind, that's not the point of art. That's the point of art criticism, which is one of the most worthless pastimes ever created. Anyone have an Ichiro or Koufax they'd like to let go for something close to release price?

04-01-2020, 12:05 PM	#44
ethanwa Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Windermere, FL Posts: 644 blade-runner-2049	Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I like a few, don't like the rest. Buy what you like. The print runs on these things clearly show that there is a market for them.

04-01-2020, 01:43 PM	#48
kykid4uk Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 1,370	I haven't even seen the cards, and I'll argue that there's no way they are worse than 91 Fleer. Don't think you could top that set for worst ever even if you were trying.

04-01-2020, 06:52 PM	#50
SmokeyJ Member Join Date: Oct 2019 Posts: 1,086 smokeyj628	I've always found 1992 Donruss worse than 1991 Fleer.