Patriots/Brady divorce who is to blame

jlzinck · 03-21-2020, 06:29 PM

Who do you think is the most to blame for Tom Brady becoming a Tampa Bay Buc?

Stifle · 03-21-2020, 06:42 PM

Not so much as blame, it's a changing of scenery / guard depending on the side you critique. Bill wanted the change a few years ago and Tom wanted a veteran receiving core that understood the system. I believe Kraft didn't want it to go down this way but already pulled rank on Bill for the Jimmy G. move.

FINS4LIFE · 03-21-2020, 06:42 PM

You should know what I voted for. Can't wait for the Season to begin

Jsturino · 03-21-2020, 06:44 PM

IMO it’s Bill.

Brady has been trying to get a multi year extension for years. He wanted a commitment from Bill and the team. Unfortunately that never came.

Robert saying we would have found a way to keep him is so disingenuous to me. How can someone accept an offer when you don’t make one. The Patriots Cap Situation and roster management is a mess.

If we offered Brady 2 for $50M he would be here. Even without any WR/TE upgrades. The weapons were definitely a problem. I don’t think any QB would enjoy throwing to Matt Lacosse, Ryan Izzo and 3x rookie WRs.

We’ve had so much success and so much attrition on offense. Rewatching older playoff games and SuperBowls and seeing - Edelman, Gronk, Amendola, Cooks, Bennett, Hogan, Lafell, Gordon, etc. it’s scary what we’re left with now.

As a Pats Fan....I would have much preferred the following option as opposed to where we stand now

-Sign Brady @ 2 for $50
-Sign Ebron @ 2 for $12
-Sign Sanders or Robby Anderson @ 2 for $16/18
-Draft a QB round 1 and let him sit and learn under Brady for 2 years
-Start Stidham or drafted QB in 2023 when Brady retires

*Cut Sanu, Ghost, Burkhead, Hightower ($20M in savings)
*Let Collins/KVN go
*Tag Thuney, resign Devin/Jason

We could have been competitive now and in the future. I dnt get why this wasn’t the plan.

amex · 03-21-2020, 07:37 PM

If "time" were an option, that'd be my choice.

TimBuckTwo · 03-21-2020, 07:55 PM

Patriot fans - Welcome to mediocre for life.

mortatort · 03-21-2020, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jlzinck

Who do you think is the most to blame for Tom Brady becoming a Tampa Bay Buc?

f*cking majestik.

burke23 · 03-21-2020, 08:06 PM

I lean towards the Pats being at fault. Brady did a lot to allow them to build a team around him but he was rarely given top-end outside/vertical WR threats to work with, and the savings he gave them just went to other parts of the team.

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Originally Posted by TimBuckTwo

Patriot fans - Welcome to mediocre for life.

Never thought the day would come for them.. Green Bay and NO will be there soon too! The league will get super interesting - Pat against the world!

mattcurren · 03-21-2020, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jsturino

IMO it’s Bill.

Brady has been trying to get a multi year extension for years. He wanted a commitment from Bill and the team. Unfortunately that never came.

Robert saying we would have found a way to keep him is so disingenuous to me. How can someone accept an offer when you don’t make one. The Patriots Cap Situation and roster management is a mess.

If we offered Brady 2 for $50M he would be here. Even without any WR/TE upgrades. The weapons were definitely a problem. I don’t think any QB would enjoy throwing to Matt Lacosse, Ryan Izzo and 3x rookie WRs.

We’ve had so much success and so much attrition on offense. Rewatching older playoff games and SuperBowls and seeing - Edelman, Gronk, Amendola, Cooks, Bennett, Hogan, Lafell, Gordon, etc. it’s scary what we’re left with now.

As a Pats Fan....I would have much preferred the following option as opposed to where we stand now

-Sign Brady @ 2 for $50
-Sign Ebron @ 2 for $12
-Sign Sanders or Robby Anderson @ 2 for $16/18
-Draft a QB round 1 and let him sit and learn under Brady for 2 years
-Start Stidham or drafted QB in 2023 when Brady retires

*Cut Sanu, Ghost, Burkhead, Hightower ($20M in savings)
*Let Collins/KVN go
*Tag Thuney, resign Devin/Jason

We could have been competitive now and in the future. I dnt get why this wasn’t the plan.

This is spot-on. I think Brady has been propping up Bill's mystique a long time. If the pats D could have stopped the Eagles at all Tom would have another ring. Dude threw for 500 yards IN THE SUPER BOWL and lost. He's got 2800+ yards passing in SUPER BOWLS alone. That said - he didn't look himself last year. Father time is catching up. I think what you laid out would have been like this year but with a worse defense. Say 10-6 or 9-7 and a shot at playoff spot.

Also who is "Ghost" LOL. Duron Harmon?

49erRCCollector · 03-21-2020, 09:08 PM

John Lynch.

mc1 · 03-21-2020, 09:14 PM

Brady. Guy is past his prime.

bloodwings19 · 03-21-2020, 09:22 PM

I think Tom Brady wanted it this way. He saw the Patriots run is over, wanting for a new challenge, didn't want to end in a sour note with Patriots, Belichick gets too much credit and maybe being a part-owner of the Bucs.

Fenway55 · 03-21-2020, 09:30 PM

Based on a preponderance of the reports, it’s clear the Patriots offered so little money that they didn’t want him to stay.

majestik101 · 03-21-2020, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mortatort

f*cking majestik.

Kingofkings1281 · 03-21-2020, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Fenway55

Based on a preponderance of the reports, it’s clear the Patriots offered so little money that they didn’t want him to stay.

Yep. Plus the reports coming out that Belichick tried to trade him to the Niners instead of Jimmy G a few years back. Apparently that drove a big wedge between the two.

norskarv · 03-21-2020, 11:45 PM

Hunter Biden

mattcurren · 03-21-2020, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingofkings1281

Yep. Plus the reports coming out that Belichick tried to trade him to the Niners instead of Jimmy G a few years back. Apparently that drove a big wedge between the two.

I thought the story was John Lynch asked about Brady and Bill laughed at him? That was the story back then.

Tones · 03-22-2020, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TimBuckTwo

Patriot fans - Welcome to mediocre for life.

Forgetting that when Brady went down for a season we had Matt Cassel for a year and still went 10-6?

Yes, he had Randy Moss that year to throw to, but get a solid Quarterback with league experience (Andy Dalton), a typical Belichick vet free agent WR (Demarcus Robinson), along with a boatload of picks?

I don't expect us to be winning the Super Bowl, but a winning season and a playoff run at that.

Archangel1775 · 03-22-2020, 02:06 AM

Bill wanted Jimmy G to take over when they had him. He's a team first coach. The owner didn't want that. Jimmy G wasnt going to sit on the bench, so he traded him. TB12 wouldn't have sat on the bench either so a divorce was inevitable unless he retired.

21Pittsburgh58 · 03-22-2020, 04:34 AM

Belichick and Handy Bob are both to blame. Belichick the most though. He's all about team friendly contracts and the number of years attached to them.

Brady the Buccaneer. Has a nice ring to it - all 6 of them Tommy takes with him. Ah, the memories are so fresh. Gronk is gone, Mookie too! Damn, Boston. All I need is for that goon Charo to retire and it'll all be good (he's a Bruin, of course I'm going to call him a goon). And Belichick. And Kraft.

rittdk01 · 03-22-2020, 10:24 AM

I would have paid Brady whatever he wanted and kept him in NE. 6 SB wins should have given him a pass even if he wasn't the younger version of himself. That 30 mil a year will be made up in ticket sales and merch for the Bucs right away. The ticket sales are already through the roof. And Bruce Arians has to be giddy to get the goat as his qb.

BB is the reason he is a Buc.

the mesiah · 03-22-2020, 10:36 AM

Bryan Cox

jmscoggin · 03-22-2020, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by amex

If "time" were an option, that'd be my choice.

I came here to post this, Father Time is the correct answer. Could the Pats have kept an 80 yo Brady out of sheer loyalty? Sure but that isn't a winning strategy and the name of the game is to win, Brady himself is cut from that same cloth. Much like Brady eviscerating the young rookie N'keal this year, if you aren't excelling, it's time to give the ball to someone that can. Brady will go down as the best Patriot of all time but time always wins. The Patriots are about winning, not mediocrity, Brady is no longer a difference maker.

I say all of the above as someone that detests the Patriots and thrives on loyalty. Even so, you can't help but admire their absolute devotion to winning.

jlzinck · 03-22-2020, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TimBuckTwo

Patriot fans - Welcome to mediocre for life.

I've been a Pats fan since 75-76 season. They have been mediocre for more than 1/2 time as a fan.

myerscards · 03-22-2020, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by jlzinck

Who do you think is the most to blame for Tom Brady becoming a Tampa Bay Buc?

Who cares its over and done with.

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Brady	9	10.98%
Belichick	34	41.46%
Kraft	6	7.32%
All of them equally	16	19.51%
Gisele	3	3.66%
Don't care. I have a raging hard-on what will last a year because the Pats are done!!	14	17.07%
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Stifle Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: I've met great collectors throughout MI and N. Indiana / CHI. Posts: 9,369 Stifle	Not so much as blame, it's a changing of scenery / guard depending on the side you critique. Bill wanted the change a few years ago and Tom wanted a veteran receiving core that understood the system. I believe Kraft didn't want it to go down this way but already pulled rank on Bill for the Jimmy G. move.

03-21-2020, 06:42 PM	#3
FINS4LIFE Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 6,173	You should know what I voted for. Can't wait for the Season to begin

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Jsturino Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 3,128	IMO it’s Bill. Brady has been trying to get a multi year extension for years. He wanted a commitment from Bill and the team. Unfortunately that never came. Robert saying we would have found a way to keep him is so disingenuous to me. How can someone accept an offer when you don’t make one. The Patriots Cap Situation and roster management is a mess. If we offered Brady 2 for $50M he would be here. Even without any WR/TE upgrades. The weapons were definitely a problem. I don’t think any QB would enjoy throwing to Matt Lacosse, Ryan Izzo and 3x rookie WRs. We’ve had so much success and so much attrition on offense. Rewatching older playoff games and SuperBowls and seeing - Edelman, Gronk, Amendola, Cooks, Bennett, Hogan, Lafell, Gordon, etc. it’s scary what we’re left with now. As a Pats Fan....I would have much preferred the following option as opposed to where we stand now -Sign Brady @ 2 for $50 -Sign Ebron @ 2 for $12 -Sign Sanders or Robby Anderson @ 2 for $16/18 -Draft a QB round 1 and let him sit and learn under Brady for 2 years -Start Stidham or drafted QB in 2023 when Brady retires Cut Sanu, Ghost, Burkhead, Hightower ($20M in savings) Let Collins/KVN go *Tag Thuney, resign Devin/Jason We could have been competitive now and in the future. I dnt get why this wasn’t the plan.

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amex Banned - PBM Join Date: Feb 2020 Location: New Jersey # Posts: 814	If "time" were an option, that'd be my choice.

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TimBuckTwo Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 10,104	Patriot fans - Welcome to mediocre for life.

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mc1 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 11,208	Brady. Guy is past his prime.

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bloodwings19 Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,989	I think Tom Brady wanted it this way. He saw the Patriots run is over, wanting for a new challenge, didn't want to end in a sour note with Patriots, Belichick gets too much credit and maybe being a part-owner of the Bucs.

03-21-2020, 09:30 PM	#13
Fenway55 Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 6,707	Based on a preponderance of the reports, it’s clear the Patriots offered so little money that they didn’t want him to stay.

03-21-2020, 11:45 PM	#16
norskarv Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 777	Hunter Biden

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rittdk01 Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Indiana Posts: 2,416	I would have paid Brady whatever he wanted and kept him in NE. 6 SB wins should have given him a pass even if he wasn't the younger version of himself. That 30 mil a year will be made up in ticket sales and merch for the Bucs right away. The ticket sales are already through the roof. And Bruce Arians has to be giddy to get the goat as his qb. BB is the reason he is a Buc.

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