Corona Virus - Page 167

pejc300 · 03-19-2020, 09:18 PM

910 people infected in CA. 19 deaths. Now millions out of work. Sounds about right.

majestik101 · 03-19-2020, 09:21 PM

Welp it's official. The entire state of California has been ordered by the governor to be on lockdown effective midnight. Martial Law will be next. And then you all know what can potentially happen after that happens.

kerg · 03-19-2020, 09:21 PM

'“I don’t believe the people of California need to be told through law enforcement that it’s appropriate just to home isolate,” he said.'

And if they do? Then what?

NeedChapmans · 03-19-2020, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Why that date?

I actually think what dbacks said last night was the best post.

People will sit for 2-4 weeks, and then no matter what it looks like will resume life. For good or bad.

At the rate NY is testing and at the rate their cases are increasing, 8 days will be a breaking point. If the numbers aren't calming down and/or their hospitals start to feel the strain, they'll be in trouble. If however, they start to fall back a bit, then the rest of the country is likely to follow. NY is out in front in terms of testing and they provide a much clearer picture than other states at the moment. (Washington the next clearest).

I promise. One way or another, we'll have closure before April. We'll either have a feel good vibe, or a feel bad vibe. We won't have an unknown one (like we do now).

Wiseguy917 · 03-19-2020, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by pejc300

910 people infected in CA. 19 deaths. Now millions out of work. Sounds about right.

There were 79 flu related deaths in California from 1/1/20-1/14/20

Two weeks....79 dead....nobody cared.

GeechQuest · 03-19-2020, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

At the rate NY is testing and at the rate their cases are increasing, 8 days will be a breaking point. If the numbers aren't calming down and/or their hospitals start to feel the strain, they'll be in trouble. If however, they start to fall back a bit, then the rest of the country is likely to follow. NY is out in front in terms of testing and they provide a much clearer picture than other states at the moment. (Washington the next clearest).

I promise. One way or another, we'll have closure before April. We'll either have a feel good vibe, or a feel bad vibe. We won't have an unknown one (like we do now).

I got ya.

Just checked the counter, were at 218 deaths now (hasn’t been updated in hours).

Yesterday we were at 150, so a 45% increase.

If we keep going at that rate:

Tomorrow - 316 deaths
Saturday - 458 deaths
Sunday - 664 deaths
Monday - 962 deaths
Tuesday - 1395 deaths
Wednesday - 2022 deaths
Thursday - 2932 deaths
Friday (the 27th) - 4251 deaths

We’re obviously not going to keep raising the toll at that percentage, but that’s just to show how this thing spirals out of control without measures in place.

That’s not even me saying we’re doing too much or we’re not doing enough. I agree that we won’t really know until we have enough data.

FWIW Italy has been adding at around a 20% death rate.

IronMonkey415 · 03-19-2020, 09:42 PM

Did he mention how long the lockdown will last?

ninjacookies · 03-19-2020, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Wiseguy917

There were 79 flu related deaths in California from 1/1/20-1/14/20

Two weeks....79 dead....nobody cared.

Well yeah. Because the flu can still be medically treated with certain vaccines and antiviral measures.

No different than most any other ailment under the sky right now. We at least have knowledge and measures on how to effectively tackle them. And if that fails...well...it was probably just their time to go.

What exactly is known about corona and how to treat it?

Are people really not realizing the difference here?

Corona and the flu are not similar scenarios despite how badly some individuals want to correlate them based on early death statistics.

GeechQuest · 03-19-2020, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by IronMonkey415

Did he mention how long the lockdown will last?

As long as your upcoming suspension.

Astros19 · 03-19-2020, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by yanksfan1

I think this would be true if his opponent was any of the Dem candidates other than Biden. As a two term VP, I think most people would have an idea of what they're getting if they vote for Biden.

Not sure if that would be an endorsement for Biden or a warning against him.

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NeedChapmans · 03-19-2020, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GeechQuest

I got ya.

Just checked the counter, were at 218 deaths now (hasn’t been updated in hours).

Yesterday we were at 150, so a 45% increase.

If we keep going at that rate:

Tomorrow - 316 deaths
Saturday - 458 deaths
Sunday - 664 deaths
Monday - 962 deaths
Tuesday - 1395 deaths
Wednesday - 2022 deaths
Thursday - 2932 deaths
Friday (the 27th) - 4251 deaths

We’re obviously not going to keep raising the toll at that percentage, but that’s just to show how this thing spirals out of control without measures in place.

That’s not even me saying we’re doing too much or we’re not doing enough. I agree that we won’t really know until we have enough data.

FWIW Italy has been adding at around a 20% death rate.

Well this is what we were talking about earlier. Each day is like a step on the ladder. These are normal steps, completely expected. And no matter what we did in terms of mitigation, these were always going to be the ladder rungs.

But as you note, the higher up you go, the more WOW the numbers get. Just how high are we gonna go and at what point do we hit a number that makes the system break down for a particular hospital / region / state? And if the ladder starts getting easier to climb, then harder ... we'll be in great shape.

I fully expect that to happen. Next couple of days, the numbers will continue to expand, but then come late next week, they'll begin to contract. Just like SK, you'll start to see a turn in the percentages.

Pete Schweddy · 03-19-2020, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by pejc300

910 people infected in CA. 19 deaths. Now millions out of work. Sounds about right.

Filed for unemployment today.

GeechQuest · 03-19-2020, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Well this is what we were talking about earlier. Each day is like a step on the ladder. These are normal steps, completely expected. And no matter what we did in terms of mitigation, these were always going to be the ladder rungs.

But as you note, the higher up you go, the more WOW the numbers get. Just how high are we gonna go and at what point do we hit a number that makes the system break down for a particular hospital / region / state? And if the ladder starts getting easier to climb, then harder ... we'll be in great shape.

I fully expect that to happen. Next couple of days, the numbers will continue to expand, but then come late next week, they'll begin to contract. Just like SK, you'll start to see a turn in the percentages.

I agree. Just pointing out why we’re taking the measures we’re taking.

I feel like some people still don’t know how this thing keeps multiplying on itself, and if we were to do nothing it wouldn’t stop until we had SOME type of treatment.

Is it worth the economy? Nobody will ever have the correct answer to that, just opinions. Obviously to all those voted in, it’s worth the economy. For better or worse.

NeedChapmans · 03-19-2020, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by IronMonkey415

Did he mention how long the lockdown will last?

No. I did enjoy this quote from him.

“We have the ability to do martial law ... if we feel the necessity,” he said.

Dude, I was worried about my son rolling around the floor during soccer practice two months ago. WTH happened?!

discostu · 03-19-2020, 09:53 PM

Shutting down CA is troubling. One of world's largest economies in hibernation.

If this goes on for more than a week or two, it will have incredible long-term consequences.

Pretty stunned at the moment.

NeedChapmans · 03-19-2020, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GeechQuest

I agree. Just pointing out why we’re taking the measures we’re taking.

I feel like some people still don’t know how this thing keeps multiplying on itself, and if we were to do nothing it wouldn’t stop until we had SOME type of treatment.

Is it worth the economy? Nobody will ever have the correct answer to that, just opinions. Obviously to all those voted in, it’s worth the economy. For better or worse.

I don't agree with this. I really don't. I am of the belief, since day one, that this is an overreaction that was never necessary. States shutting down now just takes it to a level that is patently insane. Effectively isolating 40 million people in CA, indefinitely, is INSANE.

Viruses are not supposed to stop. You stop them by getting them, getting better and moving on w/ your life. Then science comes in to make sure it's dead. That's been our strategy for 100 years and it will always be bonkers to me that we sacrificed our entire financial system and overall well being for the unknown boogeyman.

Somebody tell Fred Savage it's (**!@ing Howie Mandel under his bed!

RogerGodahell · 03-19-2020, 09:58 PM

What's frustrating for me is to read is how there's such a shortage of PPE for healthcare workers and the general public. I've read numerous reports how nurses aren't even being supplied with N95 face masks in a lot of locations because they've run out and can't get any. They're having to treat patients unprotected. If there wasn't such a shortage of those N95 respirators and they were made readily available for the general population i think it would really help a lot. People would be double protected with the sick wearing them and uninfected as well. I know they aren't perfect but imo i think they would dramatically help prevent the spread of the virus.

GeechQuest · 03-19-2020, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I don't agree with this. I really don't. I am of the belief, since day one, that this is an overreaction that was never necessary. States shutting down now just takes it to a level that is patently insane. Effectively isolating 40 million people in CA, indefinitely, is INSANE.

Viruses are not supposed to stop. You stop them by getting them, getting better and moving on w/ your life. Then science comes in to make sure it's dead. That's been our strategy for 100 years and it will always be bonkers to me that we sacrificed our entire financial system and overall well being for the unknown boogeyman.

Somebody tell Fred Savage it's (**!@ing Howie Mandel under his bed!

We can agree to disagree. We have vaccines for viruses for a reason. It’s not because you get viruses, get better, and move on.

I also have no clue how anybody can enforce a lockdown.

Wiseguy917 · 03-19-2020, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Well yeah. Because the flu can still be medically treated with certain vaccines and antiviral measures.

No different than most any other ailment under the sky right now. We at least have knowledge and measures on how to effectively tackle them. And if that fails...well...it was probably just their time to go.

What exactly is known about corona and how to treat it?

Are people really not realizing the difference here?

Corona and the flu are not similar scenarios despite how badly some individuals want to correlate them based on early death statistics.

A death by virus is a death by virus. If we’re so good at treating the flu, why did those 79 people die? Wouldn’t that make the flu even scarier?? We can fight it, yet it still killed 79 people in two weeks? What’s known about corona??? What’s known is the far majority of deaths by corona are people in there 70s+ and/or have underlying health conditions. What’s also known? Mortality rate is about 1.5% in the US right now. What’s also known? An estimated 50% to 85% of people are asymptomatic. Since we love to extrapolate numbers to create falsehoods, can’t we do the same in the opposite direction? Meaning there’s much much more cases than is being reported, which means the mortality rate is far far below 1%?

majestik101 · 03-19-2020, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by IronMonkey415

Did he mention how long the lockdown will last?

Indefinite.

IronMonkey415 · 03-19-2020, 10:03 PM

I'm so scared

mc1 · 03-19-2020, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by IronMonkey415

I'm so scared

Hope you stocked up on tp and ramen monkey!

NeedChapmans · 03-19-2020, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GeechQuest

We can agree to disagree. We have vaccines for viruses for a reason. It’s not because you get viruses, get better, and move on.

I also have no clue how anybody can enforce a lockdown.

Well that's what I mean when I say science comes in and kills it. The vaccine makes sure we're not running cycles year after year. Eventually when no one has the virus, it's dead. That can only happen with a vaccine ... but those always take time, at least a year, minimum (you'll never know you have a good one otherwise!)

As for the lock-down; CA is just itching to send out fines for businesses. For individuals, IDK. How many cells are there if you can only lock people up individually? Probably not a lot.

chezball · 03-19-2020, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by IronMonkey415

I'm so scared

bustsomewax · 03-19-2020, 10:07 PM

Bummer, 131 new cases in King County (Seattle). They had been reporting 30-40 for a few days now and I took that as a good sign.

Wonder how many tests they did though.

03-19-2020, 09:53 PM	#4165
discostu Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 7,990	Shutting down CA is troubling. One of world's largest economies in hibernation. If this goes on for more than a week or two, it will have incredible long-term consequences. Pretty stunned at the moment. __________________ Every day I start to ooze.

03-19-2020, 09:18 PM	#4151
pejc300 Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 10,888	910 people infected in CA. 19 deaths. Now millions out of work. Sounds about right.

03-19-2020, 09:21 PM	#4152
majestik101 Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Socially Distanced Posts: 45,526 majestik101	Welp it's official. The entire state of California has been ordered by the governor to be on lockdown effective midnight. Martial Law will be next. And then you all know what can potentially happen after that happens.

03-19-2020, 09:21 PM	#4153
kerg Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: US Posts: 4,129	'“I don’t believe the people of California need to be told through law enforcement that it’s appropriate just to home isolate,” he said.' And if they do? Then what?

03-19-2020, 09:42 PM	#4157
IronMonkey415 Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 44,118 ironmonkeyfromsf	Did he mention how long the lockdown will last?

03-19-2020, 09:58 PM	#4167
RogerGodahell Banned Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Cardboard Enthusiast Posts: 20,783 RogerGodahell	What's frustrating for me is to read is how there's such a shortage of PPE for healthcare workers and the general public. I've read numerous reports how nurses aren't even being supplied with N95 face masks in a lot of locations because they've run out and can't get any. They're having to treat patients unprotected. If there wasn't such a shortage of those N95 respirators and they were made readily available for the general population i think it would really help a lot. People would be double protected with the sick wearing them and uninfected as well. I know they aren't perfect but imo i think they would dramatically help prevent the spread of the virus.

03-19-2020, 10:03 PM	#4171
IronMonkey415 Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 44,118 ironmonkeyfromsf	I'm so scared

03-19-2020, 10:07 PM	#4175
bustsomewax Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: USA Posts: 6,947	Bummer, 131 new cases in King County (Seattle). They had been reporting 30-40 for a few days now and I took that as a good sign. Wonder how many tests they did though.