Corona Virus

[bustsomewax]

https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/...59242041225217

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by bradical

That's how you comprehend that?

It's easier to just accept the L and move on.

You defended a contradiction by pointing out someone else's contradiction. Admitting that both sides are doing it. Typical logical fallacy, but you really didn't have any other way to come to his rescue.

[mr10pin]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

The question isn't the correct question, that's why there is no answer, that question isn't what the problem is right now.

You’re right, because right now isn’t a question. We have to try to stop the spread of this.

Now, my question is relevant...When are we doing this again? How bad does the next disease need to look? What if it is this, Round 2, 6-24 months from now?

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by rman112

We're past "would have". Agree, disagree.. whatever. It doesn't matter now.

So 2 weeks.. starting either a few days ago, now, or not yet? And 2 weeks from that starting point, we can get back to normal? No matter what? Total cases, total deaths.. whatever? A spike in cases/deaths, a decrease in cases/deaths.. doesn't matter? Just 2 weeks.

Yea I don't understand this either.

Are we not seeing states close for 30 days. School districts closed for the rest of the school year?

2 weeks was soooo ... 2 weeks ago. We're on this train for a good long time.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Yea I don't understand this either.

Are we not seeing states close for 30 days. School districts closed for the rest of the school year?

2 weeks was soooo ... 2 weeks ago. We're on this train for a good long time.

His point seems to be "since you didn't listen to CNN one week ago, this thing will go on for months".

[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

The economy can and will bounce back, it always does because humans are a resilient bunch, but you can't bounce back from death.

And again, had the serious measures been taken a week ago, we'd be looking at a 2 week shut down and then be back to normal, that wouldn't have anywhere near as big an impact as the shutdown we're looking at for the next two weeks now because it's now on top of another week of markets falling and the health situation becoming worse.

If nothing was done, a shutdown was 100% inevitable because the healthcare situation would have gotten so much worse than anyone could have imagined. We were never getting through this without having the country all but essentially on total lockdown, just wasn't going to happen and it was pathetic how people couldn't see that despite all the evidence pointing towards that.

But instead of just thinking logically and realizing that the shutdown would have both been for a shorter time period and have less of an economic impact if done earlier, before the economy had a week to crash even further before shutting things down, people just wanted to be ignorant and think it wasn't going to happen and continue to live their lives with no changes to them.

The shutdown keeps being extended, they dangled a 2 to 3 week shutdown carrot in front of us saying that was the plan. Now most places have extended it to a month or longer. Now let’s suppose this went on like the normal flu season and nothing was said, would anybody even notice a difference in the death rate of the United States I don’t think so. I am no conspiracy theorist but we are giving the government too much control over its citizens. I really will be honest I don’t have the answers and people will consider me stupid but to live a life of depression and doom for just barely over 100 deaths is not the way to live. I would gladly give up my life if they would stop this shutdown and let the chips fall where they may. Social distancing no more groups of 10 or more, The longer it goes on the more lives you will lose, not to the virus but to depression unemployment starvation homelessness. Here is another theory for you suppose the start of this virus was in August and it peaked in the middle of winter, you would have a much bigger problem than what we have now.

[persona]

Covid19 has officially hit my household. Steam room is broke and they can’t come until next week to fix it so now I’m going to be infested with germs.

[mr10pin]

Originally Posted by bustsomewax

https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/...59242041225217

So, basically...we can either let a bunch of people die now or we likely destroy the world economy for an indefinite period? Awesome...

[bustsomewax]

Originally Posted by mr10pin

So, basically...we can either let a bunch of people die now or we likely destroy the world economy for an indefinite period? Awesome...

Yea, this is the most frightening assessment I've seen yet, and from what sounds like, a very respected source.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by mr10pin

So, basically...we can either let a bunch of people die now or we likely destroy the world economy for an indefinite period? Awesome...

Originally Posted by bustsomewax

Yea, this is the most frightening assessment I've seen yet, and from what sounds like, a very respected source.

Not OR. That's a very important distinction.

AND. AND!

[coltsnsox07]

Hey silver lining.....IRS says 3 month tax payment deadline extension! It only counts for those who owe less than 1 million, I'll have to double check with my accountant to see if that's me...
I ain't paying those a-holes until mid July.

[preakness]

So sounds like about 104 died so far in USA

How many people died of the flu? How does that compare with the past 3-5 years?

[mr10pin]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Not OR. That's a very important distinction.

AND. AND!

Would you say we made it AND by actions over the last week? I read it as letting life go on would have increased the deaths dramatically, but may not have crippled the economy for an indefinite amount of time.

[bradical]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Common sense and facts? Show me the "facts" which prove that we could have nailed this thing down within two weeks if we had just closed everything down a week ago.

The two week window has come from other countries who took the proactive approach to social distancing and enforcing city shut downs to help minimize the spread and regain their normalcy.

At this point, it's the data our experts are working with.

So, yes, if we would have started our proactive approach when the cases started to pop-up, then yes, we may be past these mandatory shut downs. Unfortunately, we will never know if that's a fact or not.

The experts here will say we can't extrapolate data from other countries and apply it, while others will contest it's all we have to work with.

The true issue comes down to which side of history you want to be on. The over reaction side who thinks we are going too far for too little, or the under reaction side that feels the data shows these actions were required based off what we had learned from other countries models.

[kerg]

People hunker down for 18 months? Ya.. That won't cause a complete breakdown of society.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by mr10pin

Would you say we made it AND by actions over the last week? I read it as letting life go on would have increased the deaths dramatically, but may not have crippled the economy for an indefinite amount of time.

You are correct. The synopsis is an "or" set-up. My point is that we know one of these outcomes is certain already. The economy is shot. That's a given.

We don't know whether or not the decision to kill the economy will have any meaningful impact on the first part. We don't even know if the first part is/was gonna be a thing. We sacrificed the economy to the Gods, in return for something that may or may not happen, at a rate that may or may not be abnormal.

We may very well come out of this with just a tanked economy. That is out best outcome. But we may also come out of this with a tanked economy, and a deadly virus that killed hundreds of thousands of Americans in six months. So we may end up with the thing we didn't want no matter what.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

You are correct. The synopsis is an "or" set-up. My point is that we know one of these outcomes is certain already. The economy is shot. That's a given.

We don't know whether or not the decision to kill the economy will have any meaningful impact on the first part. We don't even know if the first part is/was gonna be a thing. We sacrificed the economy to the Gods, in return for something that may or may not happen, at a rate that may or may not be abnormal.

We may very well come out of this with just a tanked economy. That is out best outcome. But we may also come out of this with a tanked economy, and a deadly virus that killed hundreds of thousands of Americans in six months. So we may end up with the thing we didn't want no matter what.

I’m not going to argue with you tonight. I shouldn’t even be responding to this one. I know this entire situation is tough on everybody for a multitude of different reasons, it just hurt when you said you’re not ready to see silver linings, as trying to see the silver linings may be all we have at this moment.

[bustsomewax]

What are the chances we speed up vaccine process by 50% and say screw long term testing?

[Timmay]

Originally Posted by coltsnsox07

Hey silver lining.....IRS says 3 month tax payment deadline extension! It only counts for those who owe less than 1 million, I'll have to double check with my accountant to see if that's me...
I ain't paying those a-holes until mid July.

Happy about this, I don't give them a penny until I absolutely have to. I would rather pay the underpayment penalty.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

I’m not going to argue with you tonight. I shouldn’t even be responding to this one. I know this entire situation is tough on everybody for a multitude of different reasons, it just hurt when you said you’re not ready to see silver linings, as trying to see the silver linings may be all we have at this moment.

The silver lining will come when we get out of this mess. When you're in it ... there aren't any.

[preakness]

The longer people are bunkered down the more CNN they get to watch

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

The silver lining will come when we get out of this mess. When you're in it ... there aren't any.

Well here’s one. This forum isn’t quarantined yet and Giphy hasn’t gone out of business yet.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by bustsomewax

What are the chances we speed up vaccine process by 50% and say screw long term testing?

Im not taking a vaccine. You shouldnt either.

Originally Posted by preakness

The longer people are bunkered down the more CNN they get to watch

Nah, im not rich. I dont have cable Mr. Fancypants.

[bustsomewax]

Originally Posted by mc1

Im not taking a vaccine. You shouldnt either.

Good one.

[preakness]

Shake my head Everytime I think about how many in USA died of Covid 19 vs how many murdered annually in chi-iraq