2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by Astros19

I'm out. Never going to happen in my lifetime, thank God.
No use wasting anymore time going back and forth given the fact that we will NEVER change either's mind.

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That's really unfortunate you feel that way. UBI is inevitable. Shorter lifetimes might be a thing too.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

That's really unfortunate you feel that way. UBI is inevitable. Shorter lifetimes might be a thing too.

Andrew Young's polling numbers say otherwise.

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[RedSoxFan28]

Originally Posted by Astros19

FIFY

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Except it is possible......

Originally Posted by Astros19

I'm out. Never going to happen in my lifetime, thank God.
No use wasting anymore time going back and forth given the fact that we will NEVER change either's mind.

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[Soxfanguy]

Small businesses need more help

[RedSoxFan28]

"____ is impossible"

"Heres how it is possible"

"Im done, no point of going back and forth you can't change my mind"

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by Astros19

FIFY

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I mean, it was just spelled out for you.

As production goes up and labor costs go down, there is going to be a glut of goods never before seen on earth.

Like I said, with AI it’s inevitable. Tons of businesses could automate today and kick tons out of the workforce tomorrow. Then what?

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Andrew Young's polling numbers say otherwise.

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Who is this Andrew Young fellow you speak of???

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Andrew Young's polling numbers say otherwise.

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Is that some sort of bizarre dig? UBI is coming whether you like it or not. I don't understand how any compassionate or logical person would be against it, but I do understand those people may appear to be in the minority.

[RedSoxFan28]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Who is this Andrew Young fellow you speak of???

Some commie that wanted to help people

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by RedSoxFan28

Some commie that wanted to help people

I thought that was Andrew Yang. I guess that’s why he didn’t get any votes.

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by RedSoxFan28

"____ is impossible"

"Heres how it is possible"

"Im done, no point of going back and forth you can't change my mind"

This is what I really hate. The inability for people to change their minds when presented with new information. So many people take a stance on something and say they will never change. That's incredibly sad and frustrating for the human race.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

This is what I really hate. The inability for people to change their minds when presented with new information. So many people take a stance on something and say they will never change. That's incredibly sad and frustrating for the human race.

Everybody with a brain knows it’s inevitable.

What form it takes remains to be seen, but some type of basic income will be a necessity. Hell, THIS WHITE HOUSE is currently debating it as we’re on the forum.

[discostu]

UBI (and ideas like it) most certainly will happen, and sooner than most think and for reasons that many don't seem to understand.

It won't be out of laziness, lack of education or anything similar...the economy will no longer be able to sustain the job market. Every single job in history has been simplified exponentially, and the workforce continues to grow. More workers for less and less jobs, producing more and more goods.

It's not simply a matter of an economic downturn or some sort of industry shift...this is a wholesale, economic shift.

20 years ago, UBI and some form of universal healthcare seemed unnecessary, in less than 20 years...it will be the norm. People get caught up with the 'dirty word' notion of "socialism" instead of focusing on the reality.

[Astros19]

Typical BO.
I bow out stating it's a waste of time going back and forth, admitting I'm not changing my mind. I didn't do that for any other reason than why waste each other's time? Followed soon with the immature Felicia meme, poked fun for typing a wrong last name, and accused of being brainless.
Nothing shown to me has proven anything. It can't be proven without it being tried with the actual numbers it would be used on. A small sample size just doesn't do it for me guys.
Lastly, if $1,000 a month would make such a difference, then why not up the ante and give everyone $100,000 a month?
Should work wonders right.


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[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Did you miss the part about 2.5 trillion dollars?
That figure screws all of us.
I also look at something like this like I do food stamps. Get those who really don't need or abuse them off the freebie rolls and we might be able to give those who do need help more help.
Plus, people are dumb. I can see a lot of people using that extra $1,000 a month on stupid sh*t rather than putting it to good use.

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Originally Posted by Astros19

By giving $1,000.00 to those who don't need it.
I can't believe you're confused by this.

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Originally Posted by Astros19

Ignorance is bitching about billionaires while ignoring 2.5 trillion dollars.
We're gonna need more billionaires.

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Originally Posted by Astros19

Typical BO.
poked fun for typing a wrong last name, and accused of being brainless.

Lastly, if $1,000 a month would make such a difference, then why not up the ante and give everyone $100,000 a month?
Should work wonders right.


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You really can’t make this up.

Maybe it’s just you my guy.

[chezball]

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by chezball

Invalid URL

[rman112]

Wrong thread

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Typical BO.
I bow out stating it's a waste of time going back and forth, admitting I'm not changing my mind. I didn't do that for any other reason than why waste each other's time? Followed soon with the immature Felicia meme, poked fun for typing a wrong last name, and accused of being brainless.
Nothing shown to me has proven anything. It can't be proven without it being tried with the actual numbers it would be used on. A small sample size just doesn't do it for me guys.
Lastly, if $1,000 a month would make such a difference, then why not up the ante and give everyone $100,000 a month?
Should work wonders right.


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I totally understand the not wanting to waste someone's time arguing if you know you're not going to change your mind. I was only expressing sadness at the fact a lot of people won't allow their minds to be changed, even when presented with solid evidence. I get that you may not be convinced about UBI, but I think you would probably admit that you haven't looked into it too much as it's such a fantasy from your perspective. Again, I get that. It's not like I spend my time looking up a bunch of facts about economic policies that disinterest me.

I did want to say one thing though, if you're in a position where $1000 a month doesn't make a difference for you, you really should consider yourself lucky. For millions of people in this country, $1000 a month would make a HUGE difference in their lives. I understand that it might not make sense from your perspective, but I promise you that it would be a big deal for many people out there. Please don't take this post as an attack, it's not. I'm trying to put myself in your shoes and think about why you might feel the way you do about UBI.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by chezball

[discostu]

Originally Posted by chezball

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

Invalid URL

It's all invalid.

Totally crackpot, rabbithole insanity.

Politics have nothing to do with this delusional mindset.

So.
Far.
Gone.

[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by chezball

Who is this guy Pete O’felia they keep talking about.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

I totally understand the not wanting to waste someone's time arguing if you know you're not going to change your mind. I was only expressing sadness at the fact a lot of people won't allow their minds to be changed, even when presented with solid evidence. I get that you may not be convinced about UBI, but I think you would probably admit that you haven't looked into it too much as it's such a fantasy from your perspective. Again, I get that. It's not like I spend my time looking up a bunch of facts about economic policies that disinterest me.



I did want to say one thing though, if you're in a position where $1000 a month doesn't make a difference for you, you really should consider yourself lucky. For millions of people in this country, $1000 a month would make a HUGE difference in their lives. I understand that it might not make sense from your perspective, but I promise you that it would be a big deal for many people out there. Please don't take this post as an attack, it's not. I'm trying to put myself in your shoes and think about why you might feel the way you do about UBI.

First off thank you for being reasonable. I openly admit I'm a pretty sarcastic person and really need to practice what I preach. We all would be better off if before we hit the enter key we asked ourselves, would I say what I typed if we were face to face? I would hope not.

To be fair I haven't done much of any research on this subject. The astronomical numbers were enough to prevent me to want to.
What I have read is that the stipend would go to every American over the age of 18. That just doesn't make sense to me. Correct me if I'm wrong and if it would be limited to those under a certain income level. That would obviously make much more sense to me.
I'm also inclined to believe there should be some give and take involved. If a person is collecting aid why not make it mandatory that said person has to do some form of community service. Local hospitals, Veteran hospitals, daycare centers ect. all need help.
For the record I don't hate poor people and believe most on any form of assistance desperately need it. I also feel a lot of people abuse assistance programs. My thoughts are that if we could boot the abusers we could easily give those who are in need more assistance. Hence lifting them out of poverty rather than just float in poverty.
Lastly, I'm not a big government person and have little faith in most government run programs being ran efficiently.
Again, thanks for respecting my opinions.

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[chezball]

Originally Posted by spuds1961

Who is this guy Pete O’felia they keep talking about.

pedo for short.

[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by chezball

pedo for short.

I am sorry I took a nap this afternoon and now I can’t fall asleep so stupidity is the best I can offer.