What a nightmare - Page 3

shrevecity · 03-06-2020, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CollectorMan

Actually I do know EXACTLY how it works thank you. It was $20.00 and he asked for that price. I gave it to him without any agenda. I never mentioned any condition in the sales before you keep going down the list sweetheart.

So simply not mentioning condition protects you. LMAO..

Tell that to all the people who have listed items AS IS NOT WORKING who had to refund through Paypal when the item did not work. Or all the ones who have had to refund for no real reason at all\ and lose the item in the proces.

shrevecity · 03-06-2020, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CollectorMan

I doubt you have ever been qualified in your life to do so. I rest mine.

More so than you, at least I have a set and would stand behind items I sell.

I am done with this. He has made his bed and others will see who the scumbag was in this transaction. and it was not the buyer. The neg will be a reminder for years.

CollectorMan · 03-06-2020, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by shrevecity

More so than you, at least I have a set and would stand behind items I sell.

I am done with this. He has made his bed and others will see who the scumbag was in this transaction. and it was not the buyer. The neg will be a reminder for years.

Anything else?

CollectorMan · 03-06-2020, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by shrevecity

So simply not mentioning condition protects you. LMAO..

Tell that to all the people who have listed items AS IS NOT WORKING who had to refund through Paypal when the item did not work. Or all the ones who have had to refund for no real reason at all\ and lose the item in the proces.

Thank you for the wonderful advice and near complete worded and obviously emotional post. I wish you and your 17k posts in seven years and 25 transactions of expertise well. Looking forward to your ramblings for many years to come because....what else would you do?

salthill · 03-06-2020, 07:54 PM

People who declare they “don’t suffer fools” are usually about as pleasant and self-aware as people who “just call it like it is”. You’re no exception.
If the buyer paid with a credit card you may be on the end of a chargeback.

CollectorMan · 03-06-2020, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by salthill

People who declare they “don’t suffer fools” are usually about as pleasant and self-aware as people who “just call it like it is”. You’re no exception.
If the buyer paid with a credit card you may be on the end of a chargeback.

That's probably accurate, on the don't suffer fools line that is.

27tinman · 03-06-2020, 08:22 PM

I'm curious about one thing-how is the buyer a liar here? The way I read it, the buyer didn't see a scratch in the scans (which the seller also admits to not noticing), but noticed the scratch once he had the card in hand. Unless I'm missing something here, there was no lie involved.....

KevJo · 03-06-2020, 10:23 PM

Question, in everybody's opinion if the Seller listed the cards as NRMT would that have made a surface scratch within that description? For my part I try to explain any condition issues up front before listing, but sometimes you miss things. Now that is why posting the condition of the cards as Nrmt at least is telling the potential buyer don't be expecting a guarantee Gem card. Now, I also am a believer in asking up front if there is any condition issues if I am in any way intending on grading or maybe prospecting for future sale versus a PC card. Anyway, what I am saying is be upfront and at the very least list the cards condition and by all means go into detail. At the very least post them up as Nrmt and go from there.

Kevin

Wrathofmarcos · 03-06-2020, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by KevJo

Question, in everybody's opinion if the Seller listed the cards as NRMT would that have made a surface scratch within that description? For my part I try to explain any condition issues up front before listing, but sometimes you miss things. Now that is why posting the condition of the cards as Nrmt at least is telling the potential buyer don't be expecting a guarantee Gem card. Now, I also am a believer in asking up front if there is any condition issues if I am in any way intending on grading or maybe prospecting for future sale versus a PC card. Anyway, what I am saying is be upfront and at the very least list the cards condition and by all means go into detail. At the very least post them up as Nrmt and go from there.

Kevin

This is a very good point. I feel it should go without saying that buying raw cards means you’re getting anywhere from a PSA 7-10. This looks like a roller line, not necessarily a scratch. A roller line like this should still net at the minimum a PSA/BGS 8.5, with a legit shot at a 9 (unless it’s much worse in person), which is NM/MT and totally within reason to the condition of a raw card.

As far as the sellers attitude towards the buyer, everyone can now make a judgement whether it’s worth it to deal with him or not.

KevJo · 03-06-2020, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Wrathofmarcos

This is a very good point. I feel it should go without saying that buying raw cards means you’re getting anywhere from a PSA 7-10. This looks like a roller line, not necessarily a scratch. A roller line like this should still net at the minimum a PSA/BGS 8.5, with a legit shot at a 9 (unless it’s much worse in person), which is NM/MT and totally within reason to the condition of a raw card.

As far as the sellers attitude towards the buyer, everyone can now make a judgement whether it’s worth it to deal with him or not.

Agreed, if you put Nrmt in the FS ad and there is one line like that you should be good IMHO. Anyone who opens packs these days knows its quite rare to pull any card with zero flaws on it. I had a stretch of 10 mail days where every card I received had multiple issues. But they were PC and I expect Nrmt, not Gem with every card I buy. The OP was obviously triggered and came across abrasive. I have bought countless Prizm/Optic cards with indents that were never mentioned (Including a Garrett RC) that when I resold myself I mentioned it and probably cost me some $$, but you gotta do it if your being straight up.

Kevin

Soxfanguy · 03-06-2020, 11:37 PM

This thread is just digging a deeper and deeper hole for yourself

chezball · 03-06-2020, 11:54 PM

OP, ask the mods to change the title to " I'm a scumbag seller"

RAV2773 · 03-07-2020, 12:20 AM

Is the title of this thread describing the transaction or the seller? It's hard to tell

glen87 · 03-07-2020, 10:02 AM

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1354499

those pictures are HORRIBLE.

if you are not going to note any potential issues with the cards, at least get them out of those dirty looking top loaders and soft sleeves and scan them properly. nearly every picture has some type of debris/dirt on it. hard to tell if the card is damaged or if it is just dirt.

example

are those specks on the top loader, or on the card?
is the scuffing near the hands on the top loader or card?

Soxfanguy · 03-07-2020, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by glen87

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1354499

those pictures are HORRIBLE.

if you are not going to note any potential issues with the cards, at least get them out of those dirty looking top loaders and soft sleeves and scan them properly. nearly every picture has some type of debris/dirt on it. hard to tell if the card is damaged or if it is just dirt.

example

are those specks on the top loader, or on the card?
is the scuffing near the hands on the top loader or card?

He’s been here a long time OP, I’d listen to him

chezball · 03-07-2020, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

He’s been here a long time OP, I’d listen to him

One hasn't lived until you get endorsed by SFG.

Chris Lyle · 03-07-2020, 11:59 AM

So after reading this whole thing one question that i camt find an answer to is how is the buyer a liar? OP that scratch should have been mentioned and you set yourself up for something like this by not mentioning it. And for the record attacking members who have a very good reputation on these boards doesn't look good for you either, not that you will take that advice.

smanzari · 03-07-2020, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CollectorMan

It doesn't make a difference but thank you.

For sure, always here for you for those kind of things!

BostonNut · 03-07-2020, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by glen87

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1354499

those pictures are HORRIBLE.

if you are not going to note any potential issues with the cards, at least get them out of those dirty looking top loaders and soft sleeves and scan them properly. nearly every picture has some type of debris/dirt on it. hard to tell if the card is damaged or if it is just dirt.

example

are those specks on the top loader, or on the card?
is the scuffing near the hands on the top loader or card?

You’re going to get the card in the scan. Period. End of story.

oldgoldy97 · 03-07-2020, 01:50 PM

Giving people of earth a bad name.

Siberian13 · 03-07-2020, 02:25 PM

tier1dc · 03-07-2020, 03:13 PM

chezball · 03-07-2020, 04:03 PM

I truly hope the buyer used a CC to make this purchase, so he can get his money back and return those filthy cards.

houdini · 03-07-2020, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CollectorMan

My gawds, ok kids. Sorry your baseball card had a scratch on it. I didn't see it. It's over, deal with it. I'm not refunding anything. He got what he paid for. God bless.

Based on this, I would be inclined to leave the feedback as it is. Not up to me though. 2 mods are reviewing.

LondonGames · 03-07-2020, 09:54 PM

only liar i see in this thread is the op.

lies about not noticing the condition, yet is pretty clear that the card wasn't mint.

leaves a neutral because "he doesn't believe in them", when in actuality he was just preemptively striking because he was wrong and is abusive.

neg wasn't retaliatory, as it was the only appropriate feedback. neutral should be removed. op should be ashamed.

03-06-2020, 10:23 PM	#58
KevJo Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Southern California Posts: 11,433	Question, in everybody's opinion if the Seller listed the cards as NRMT would that have made a surface scratch within that description? For my part I try to explain any condition issues up front before listing, but sometimes you miss things. Now that is why posting the condition of the cards as Nrmt at least is telling the potential buyer don't be expecting a guarantee Gem card. Now, I also am a believer in asking up front if there is any condition issues if I am in any way intending on grading or maybe prospecting for future sale versus a PC card. Anyway, what I am saying is be upfront and at the very least list the cards condition and by all means go into detail. At the very least post them up as Nrmt and go from there. Kevin __________________ "By any means"- Khalil Mack

03-06-2020, 11:37 PM	#61
Soxfanguy Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: White Sox Posts: 15,579 Soxfanguy	This thread is just digging a deeper and deeper hole for yourself __________________ ok

03-07-2020, 10:02 AM	#64
glen87 Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: VERMONT Posts: 74,265 glen87 glen87	https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1354499 those pictures are HORRIBLE. if you are not going to note any potential issues with the cards, at least get them out of those dirty looking top loaders and soft sleeves and scan them properly. nearly every picture has some type of debris/dirt on it. hard to tell if the card is damaged or if it is just dirt. example are those specks on the top loader, or on the card? is the scuffing near the hands on the top loader or card? __________________ collecting James Madison University players of all sports JMU cards: https://www.flickr.com/photos/jmucards/ other cards: https://www.flickr.com/photos/glen87/albums

03-07-2020, 01:50 PM	#70
oldgoldy97 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 52,346	Giving people of earth a bad name. __________________ Truly riveting discussion: that’s what your wife/girlfriend/sheep said.

03-07-2020, 02:25 PM	#71
Siberian13 Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 79,413 shiller13	__________________ 2025 Blowout Fantasy Football Champion 2025 Blowout Pickem Champion

03-06-2020, 07:54 PM	#55
salthill Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 8,527 salthill	People who declare they “don’t suffer fools” are usually about as pleasant and self-aware as people who “just call it like it is”. You’re no exception. If the buyer paid with a credit card you may be on the end of a chargeback.

03-06-2020, 08:22 PM	#57
27tinman Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,082 27tinman 27tinman	I'm curious about one thing-how is the buyer a liar here? The way I read it, the buyer didn't see a scratch in the scans (which the seller also admits to not noticing), but noticed the scratch once he had the card in hand. Unless I'm missing something here, there was no lie involved.....

03-06-2020, 11:54 PM	#62
chezball Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: North East Beatoff USA Posts: 21,680 jabber	OP, ask the mods to change the title to " I'm a scumbag seller"

03-07-2020, 12:20 AM	#63
RAV2773 Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: NJ Posts: 4,837 baseballking973	Is the title of this thread describing the transaction or the seller? It's hard to tell

03-07-2020, 11:59 AM	#67
Chris Lyle Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: OHIO Posts: 10,467 teddys1son cmlyle07	So after reading this whole thing one question that i camt find an answer to is how is the buyer a liar? OP that scratch should have been mentioned and you set yourself up for something like this by not mentioning it. And for the record attacking members who have a very good reputation on these boards doesn't look good for you either, not that you will take that advice.

03-07-2020, 03:13 PM	#72
tier1dc Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 5,541

03-07-2020, 04:03 PM	#73
chezball Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: North East Beatoff USA Posts: 21,680 jabber	I truly hope the buyer used a CC to make this purchase, so he can get his money back and return those filthy cards.

03-07-2020, 09:54 PM	#75
LondonGames Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Posts: 1,133	only liar i see in this thread is the op. lies about not noticing the condition, yet is pretty clear that the card wasn't mint. leaves a neutral because "he doesn't believe in them", when in actuality he was just preemptively striking because he was wrong and is abusive. neg wasn't retaliatory, as it was the only appropriate feedback. neutral should be removed. op should be ashamed.