2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by TanksCards

In PA so I don't vote until April 28. My only focus for the election is nominating the candidate that I think has the best chance of beating Trump. Sadly, I am basing my primary vote on the fact that Trump screaming "communist" at Bernie will be more effective for him than him screaming "Sleepy Joe" at Biden.

So apparently, you care not about any of the issues the Democratic candidates stand for. Why bother voting then?

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by TanksCards

I respectfully disagree. Whoever wins the nomination will 100% have my full support, but I see Biden as more electable. Either way, the Trump BS ads and rhetoric will be tough for either candidate to deal with.

As compared to the Democratic candidate BS ads and media's BS news stories going full bore after Trump?

[TanksCards]

Originally Posted by RedSoxFan28

Just a small example, and to how clueless democratic voters are.

In VA exit poll 51% were in favor replacing all private insurance with government plan, 43% opposed. Of the 51% who were in favor, 41% voted for Biden, who is against it.

I don't think clueless is a fair assessment. I am in favor of MFA, but I will be voting for Biden because I think he has a better chance of beating Trump. I don't think it is productive to wrap everything up in a special box. That is one reason our political climate is the way it is. You have someone who leans left on 99% of things, but they might support something on the right and boom they are conservative. These generalizations are extremely unproductive and do nothing to help unite the party, let alone the country.

[RedSoxFan28]

Originally Posted by TanksCards

I respectfully disagree. Whoever wins the nomination will 100% have my full support, but I see Biden as more electable. Either way, the Trump BS ads and rhetoric will be tough for either candidate to deal with.

There is still a lot of time before you vote, hope you're still open to have your mind changed. Things will change with Biden back in the spotlight were he tends to falter.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

Yup. He barely beat her. 304 - 227 in the electoral college, 10 more States won, and look at how Red that map is.

This map is not representative of population density.

[RedSoxFan28]

Originally Posted by TanksCards

I don't think clueless is a fair assessment. I am in favor of MFA, but I will be voting for Biden because I think he has a better chance of beating Trump. I don't think it is productive to wrap everything up in a special box. That is one reason our political climate is the way it is. You have someone who leans left on 99% of things, but they might support something on the right and boom they are conservative. These generalizations are extremely unproductive and do nothing to help unite the party, let alone the country.

With Trump or Biden you're not getting it. If I was actually in favor of it I'd support the only candidate who is also in favor of it.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

This map is not representative of population density.

Who cares about population density other than Democrats who whine about the popular vote. The sole reason the Founding Fathers decided on the Electoral College was so the high population density of the East Coast cities couldn't "lord" over the rural areas.

The point of the map was that most counties in the country voted for Trump.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

No offense back, but your typical voter cares about his job and if he and his family can afford to travel this year. That's where the "strong economy" supports Trump, even if it doesn't meet the economist's definition of a strong economy.

Not sure how you qualify the economy as strong? Trump generally points to the unemployment rate and stock market as the two biggest indicators of a strong economy. Several indicators paint a different picture. But if people believe they are better off today and continue feel that way, then yes, that is very good for Trump

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by chezball

For someone who was chasing russians for over two years the heel has a lot to say.
Then tried to deny that he had the tumpp/putin avatar on his profile until another member said it saw it also. The kicker, he gets his news from the madcow channel.

Should I link the FBI reports again? Or you’re just going to get the mystical Q with security clearance to give you the low down?

Again, you bring nothing to the table. I do not ever recall you not being sarcastic to anyone on any thread.

In regards to the Trump/Putin meme, I forgot about it because a mod deleted it and I wasn’t on the site consistently for a while. So, go back and research how many times I posted in 2019. If I was allowed, I would bring that picture back quicker than Wikileaks released Hillary’s emails.

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I've been saying this since the last election cycle. No matter what the Bernie bros want to think he's the least electable candidate the Democrats could possibly throw out.

People keep saying he's centrist compared to the rest of the world but Americans aren't interested in his policy ideas. Sure a bunch of free crap sounds great until you actually consider whether it's reasonable or even possible. On top of that he's pretty much out to destroy wall st. That doesn't sit very well with a bulk of the American voting population who worked their entire life and doesn't want to see their retirement savings go up in smoke.

Bernie seems like a genuinely good guy, he really does. His policies suck and his core base of voters also sucks.

Agreed.

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by RedSoxFan28

With Trump or Biden you're not getting it. If I was actually in favor of it I'd support the only candidate who is also in favor of it.

What do you think Biden will do if he wins?

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Biden makes it a close race IMO. Bernie has absolutely 0 chance at beating Trump and if the Dems are smart (they're starting to catch on), they're all going to back Biden.

Bernie’s 20% block is non-negotiable unfortunately. It’s Bernie or nobody.

I don’t believe Biden’s block views it the same way. They’ve been very “anybody but Trump” and I think they’d stick to their guns as a whole.

Bernie’s group isn’t an anti-Trump group more than it’s a pro-Bernie group.

I think it’s a grave miscalculation (as it was in 2016).

I still think Trump takes it, but Biden has next to no chance in winning because he has next to no chance in unifying Bernie’s block. Bernie has maybe a 5-10% shot just because I really think that Biden’s block is more anti-Trump than they are pro-Biden.

[TanksCards]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

So apparently, you care not about any of the issues the Democratic candidates stand for. Why bother voting then?

I apologize for not listing all of the issues that I agree with and disagree with before making a comment about an electability issue. You are making a generalization about my political philosophies based on one statement that I made. I think Biden will make a great president. If he ran in 2016 I think he would be the president right now. However, I also like some of the things Bernie believes in. At the end of the day, I have to factor electability in the general election into my primary decision. I think that Biden has the best chance of beating Trump. I would be fine with Biden or Bernie as president. I like Bernie's MFA idea, but I don't like his rhetoric and constant attacks on the Democratic party. I like Biden's personality and his passion, but I wish he was slightly more to the left. There are good and not-so-good things about every candidate. You simply cannot follow a candidate blindly and accept everything he or she says or does.

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

Who cares about population density other than Democrats who whine about the popular vote. The sole reason the Founding Fathers decided on the Electoral College was so the high population density of the East Coast cities couldn't "lord" over the rural areas.

The point of the map was that most counties in the country voted for Trump.

You should see Illinois. This was the 2014 governor election. The Republican barely won 50% to 45% even though the Democrat won a grand total of one county

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

What do you think Biden will do if he wins?

Show up for his inauguration and forget his speech.

[Soxfanguy]

Surprised Biden doesn't make Obama his VP and kinda say that the VP will be running the show

He could do it

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fo...ice-president/

[TanksCards]

Originally Posted by RedSoxFan28

With Trump or Biden you're not getting it. If I was actually in favor of it I'd support the only candidate who is also in favor of it.

If this was a typical election I would agree with you. Trump is doing things in this country and to our democracy that might be irreversible after another four years. I know I wouldn't be seeing MFA with Biden. I would temporarily give up MFA to not have four more years of Trump.

I appreciate your premise. All I'm saying is that I would be voting for Biden while also voting in favor of MFA.

[Timmay]

Ironic that Bloomberg can't buy the nomination for $500,000,000 but Democrats believe the $100,000 the Russians spent on Facebook ads changed 2016 results.

[Soxfanguy]

"No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once."

So techinally you could have a Biden/Obama ticket, Biden resigns on first day, and Obama could have a third term

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

Not sure how you qualify the economy as strong? Trump generally points to the unemployment rate and stock market as the two biggest indicators of a strong economy. Several indicators paint a different picture. But if people believe they are better off today and continue feel that way, then yes, that is very good for Trump

Isn't the whole point that voters have jobs and have money to spend? No one really cares about the obscure indicators that don't affect people on a daily basis.

[Wade Mulroy]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

All depends if Republicans hold the senate or not

Still... I don't think Biden is the guy that's going to rock the boat.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by TanksCards

You simply cannot follow a candidate blindly and accept everything he or she says or does.

But you can apparently dismiss a candidate blindly and dismiss everything he or she says or does, since you've said multiple times that all you care about is beating Trump.

[RedSoxFan28]

Originally Posted by TanksCards

If this was a typical election I would agree with you. Trump is doing things in this country and to our democracy that might be irreversible after another four years. I know I wouldn't be seeing MFA with Biden. I would temporarily give up MFA to not have four more years of Trump.

I appreciate your premise. All I'm saying is that I would be voting for Biden while also voting in favor of MFA.

I respect your decision wanting to beat Trump, but I just disagree with Biden being more electable. I'd rather vote for someone who I agree with more and is projected to perform better vs Trump. Even if Bernie were to lose vs Trump I'd rather give him a chance, instead let another centrist fail.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by TanksCards

If this was a typical election I would agree with you. Trump is doing things in this country and to our democracy that might be irreversible after another four years. I know I wouldn't be seeing MFA with Biden. I would temporarily give up MFA to not have four more years of Trump.

I appreciate your premise. All I'm saying is that I would be voting for Biden while also voting in favor of MFA.

Please outline these. I'm sure this will be some good CNN talking points.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by Timmay

Ironic that Bloomberg can't buy the nomination for $500,000,000 but Democrats believe the $100,000 the Russians spent on Facebook ads changed 2016 results.

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Isn't the whole point that voters have jobs and have money to spend? No one really cares about the obscure indicators that don't affect people on a daily basis.

Like I said, if people on an individual basis feel they are better off then good. I don't hate Trump or anything. I just wished he stay off Twitter more because I think it causes more harm than good. Trump is nowhere near the devil some on the left makes him out to be, he's nowhere the saint that some on the right thinks he is.