Kevin Knox Rookies

[smalltown]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Athleticism and size is so overrated by the hobby and the league it's insane.

Add in age too.

It's funny that the most underrated thing when it comes to drafting basketball players is... Can they actually play basketball. I mean it seems so simple. But year after year we get the 18/19 year old who may one day be able to do something over the 23 year old who actually can.

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As for Knox. Just hold for now. He'll eventually get a second chance on another team and if he has one or two good games he'll see a bounce. Offload then.

[Stackfan]

personally... i'd start selling the low-end stuff and get what you can get for it.

Pick like a top 5 cards or so, and hang onto those in case he pans out. Sometimes a new team, or a improvement in play can spike values. There's still a chance, but never want to invest in just one player per rookie class, imo.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by smalltown

Add in age too.

It's funny that the most underrated thing when it comes to drafting basketball players is... Can they actually play basketball. I mean it seems so simple. But year after year we get the 18/19 year old who may one day be able to do something over the 23 year old who actually can.

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As for Knox. Just hold for now. He'll eventually get a second chance on another team and if he has one or two good games he'll see a bounce. Offload then.

That is the one thing that annoys me more than anything. Trying to justify "investing" in bad players because they're young. I hear it all the time "he's only 19 he'll figure it out".

No, he's not going to figure it out simply because you dumped a bunch of money on his cards. It's fair to not judge after their rookie season, maybe even after 2 but if player goes from bad to worse they're probably not going to magically just get significantly better.

With maybe a handful of exceptions in the history of the NBA superstars don't come out of nowhere. You can see it right away. Giannis is probably the only example of a guy truly coming out of nowhere.

[smalltown]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

That is the one thing that annoys me more than anything. Trying to justify "investing" in bad players because they're young. I hear it all the time "he's only 19 he'll figure it out".

I'm right there with you. But it's going to get worse. Wait till the High school players come back. On the upside some really good players are going to fall to teams with good player scouting track records.

[LC2nine10]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

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With maybe a handful of exceptions in the history of the NBA superstars don't come out of nowhere. You can see it right away. Giannis is probably the only example of a guy truly coming out of nowhere.

Funny he was drafted the same spot as leonard.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by LC2nine10

Funny he was drafted the same spot as leonard.

Leonard is an interesting one. I think his slow development can be directly attributed to Pop. Pop is notorious for not giving the reigns to young players

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by smalltown

I'm right there with you. But it's going to get worse. Wait till the High school players come back. On the upside some really good players are going to fall to teams with good player scouting track records.

Perennially terrible teams are like that for a reason.

I feel bad for the real, life-long Knicks fans because there is no hope in sight.

Yea, Atlanta is terrible but at least some playoff appearances are on the horizon. They've got a good enough core 3 and have the pieces necessary to add good depth.

The Cavs are terrible but they crushed the draft this year. KPJ is going to be a fantastic player. I really see star+ potential with him. Garland will be a decent player and so will Sexton but I can't see them coexisting. If they keep Drummond that's not a terrible core.

The Warriors still have a ton of talent.

The only other team that is close to as bad looking forward is the Pistons. They actually draft halfway decent but are terrible at developing players. They really have no hope looking forward either, but that's what a decade of mediocrity gets you.

In the NBA you either have to hit big time on a draft pick (Giannis / Luka / LeBron / Embiid) by being absolutely terrible for multiple years or be a destination team. Nothing worse than sitting around the middle for years until your talent leaves.

[smalltown]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

In the NBA you either have to hit big time on a draft pick (Giannis / Luka / LeBron / Embiid) by being absolutely terrible for multiple years or be a destination team. Nothing worse than sitting around the middle for years until your talent leaves.

Raptors proved there's a third way. Build depth through the Draft and then consolidate that depth through trades. It's not sexy but in 7 years since they started down that route they've gone 363-189 to date.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by smalltown

Raptors proved there's a third way. Build depth through the Draft and then consolidate that depth through trades. It's not sexy but in 7 years since they started down that route they've gone 363-189 to date.

Yes but they were also helped by falling into the perfect storm. They don't win a title without Kawhi and can't trade for Kawhi without him being unhappy w/ Pop and the Spurs.

Not every team can just trade for one of the best players in the league. The Raptors have one of the best FOs in the league too

[smalltown]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Yes but they were also helped by falling into the perfect storm. They don't win a title without Kawhi and can't trade for Kawhi without him being unhappy w/ Pop and the Spurs.

Yes, but because of the depth they built they were in a position to make the trade.

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Not every team can just trade for one of the best players in the league. The Raptors have one of the best FOs in the league too

No but not every team can luck into a generational talent or be located in LA either. My point is exactly what you pointed out. The Raptors have one of the best FOs in the league. And thats in large part because they spend money on staff. Lots of it. No salary cap on your staff and they take full advantage. And also because their ownership stays out of the way.

I read an article last year at some point that the Raptors 905 G league team employs more FO/Scouting/Training/Med staff than a third of NBA teams.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by smalltown

Yes, but because of the depth they built they were in a position to make the trade.



No but not every team can luck into a generational talent or be located in LA either. My point is exactly what you pointed out. The Raptors have one of the best FOs in the league. And thats in large part because they spend money on staff. Lots of it. No salary cap on your staff and they take full advantage. And also because their ownership stays out of the way.

I read an article last year at some point that the Raptors 905 G league team employs more FO/Scouting/Training/Med staff than a third of NBA teams.

This is a big reason why teams like the Knicks will never be good. Dolan is one of the worst owners in any professional sport.

I can't think of any team that's ever been successful when the ownership meddles in day to day ops.

[SICKMADE]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

This is a big reason why teams like the Knicks will never be good. Dolan is one of the worst owners in any professional sport.

I can't think of any team that's ever been successful when the ownership meddles in day to day ops.

Ummm Mark Cuban