LeBron Exquisite /99 - altered & damaged

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I only took the time to go back and look at it because of the magnitude and the way in which it was posted, so you are right.

And I’m not speaking to what buybuymj may or may not have done. I don’t know if he provided the photo with no opinion, or if he rendered an opinion. And that doesn’t matter at all to the discussion at hand.

It’s completely relevant to this card being trimmed or not. It’s so relevant you’ve even mentioned that COMC should have reached out to BBMJ for an assessment (“ I at least know to refer any LBJ Exquisite RPA inquiry to buybuymj to see if he has the card in his archive.”)

We both assume that the picture COMC posted is from BBMJ. We know it came AFTER the buyer(s) asked COMC for his free opinion. We both know that the photo provided is the reason why COMC has recanted his initial statement.

I think it’s safe to say COMC didn’t reach out to BBMJ for the photo, but rather was given the photo (he states it’s from a collectors personal archive). Not a whole lot to deduce here man, unless you just think BBMJ was shooting pictures to COMC for fun?

So unless the penultimate guy on #74s and the penultimate guy on trimming are both now wrong, I think it’s safe to say said card has been trimmed.

Not that it matters but I don’t think COMC has given anybody a heads up before posting information. Seems like once he has it he just drops it, as it’s just information...

[cking]

I will add something constructive.

The Lebron is trimmed.

I will take the opinion of 312 over PSA, BGS or any member on this forum.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by cking

I will add something constructive.

The Lebron is trimmed.

I will take the opinion of 312 over PSA, BGS or any member on this forum.

but he wasnt sure.

ETA: They werent sure. its not fair to say that someone that has no identity is female or male

[MNmoose78]

Originally Posted by cking

I will add something constructive.

The Lebron is trimmed.

I will take the opinion of 312 over PSA, BGS or any member on this forum.

The situation in this scenario is like sending the card to BGS where they grade, then it’s cracked and sent to PSA where they won’t grade it because they say it’s trimmed. I will say that it wouldn’t shock me if it’s actually trimmed because this entire thread has proven the scum in this hobby.

[RogerGodahell]

It wouldn't shock me either but that pic is so blurry i can't tell where the bottom of the card is. And the debris that goes off the card in the right corner makes me think that might just be a penny sleeve scrunched up. Kind of what it looks like to me. Hard to tell im certainly no expert though.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

It’s completely relevant to this card being trimmed or not. It’s so relevant you’ve even mentioned that COMC should have reached out to BBMJ for an assessment (“ I at least know to refer any LBJ Exquisite RPA inquiry to buybuymj to see if he has the card in his archive.”)

buybuymj's opinion does not matter to me. If he has an archived photo is all that matters. I will make my own judgement from the evidence.

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Not that it matters but I don’t think COMC has given anybody a heads up before posting information. Seems like once he has it he just drops it, as it’s just information...

That's his prerogative. And I am certainly allowed to believe that he should have shown more tact in posting.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by RogerGodahell

It wouldn't shock me either but that pic is so blurry i can't tell where the bottom of the card is. And the debris that goes off the card in the right corner makes me think that might just be a penny sleeve scrunched up. Kind of what it looks like to me. Hard to tell im certainly no expert though.

Is this another person who raises reasonable doubt that it is trimmed?

There is supposed to be no debate that the card is altered. That has been the burden of proof for the last year plus. Some of us are apparently okay letting that go.

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Is this another person who raises reasonable doubt that it is trimmed?

There is supposed to be no debate that the card is altered. That has been the burden of proof for the last year plus. Some of us are apparently okay letting that go.

I'm sure this card would not be used in a federal trial if that's what you're concerned about. Otherwise, this is not a court.

[usmc03vet]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

I'm sure this card would not be used in a federal trial if that's what you're concerned about. Otherwise, this is not a court.

Clearly it is not a court, otherwise this speculative nonsense and blurry imagery would be completely thrown out. The burden of proof & not hearsay would be on the ones calling the card trimmed without concrete evidence. This is a joke...COMC you missed the mark on this one.

And, I would really like to ask you just one last question.

Did you or did you not reach out to the guy's out of courtesy who respected your opinion enough to seek your advice to let them know what had surfaced prior to blowing up their 500K investment?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

I'm sure this card would not be used in a federal trial if that's what you're concerned about. Otherwise, this is not a court.

It's not a court. But if the card isn't trimmed, your post devalued the card by what I would estimate to be a minimum of $300k ($500k BGS 9.5 to $200k altered copy).

So how good do you feel about what you posted?

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

It's not a court. But if the card isn't trimmed, your post devalued the card by what I would estimate to be a minimum of $300k ($500k BGS 9.5 to $200k altered copy).

So how good do you feel about what you posted?

I'm waiting for dimensions on the card. I did my due diligence long before I posted. The card is short. I measured it against at least four copies of the card, two Lebrons and two commons.

[Doublestriker]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

I'm waiting for dimensions on the card. I did my due diligence long before I posted. The card is short. I measured it against at least four copies of the card, two Lebrons and two commons.

Confused on how you measured a card through a scan. You never held the card. Lol

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by Doublestriker

Confused on how you measured a card through a scan. You never held the card. Lol

Overlays.

[Doublestriker]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Overlays.

A scan from 2006 is not holding the card.

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by Doublestriker

A scan from 2006 is not holding the card.

No, overlays on the PWCC scan. Those are 100% independent of the 2006 scan.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by Doublestriker

A scan from 2006 is not holding the card.

[Doublestriker]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Lol. Not questioning the pwcc scan. Speaking Of the 2006 scan.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by Doublestriker

Lol. Not questioning the pwcc scan. Speaking Of the 2006 scan.

I hear ya. This whole thing (and the graded card market in general) reaks. This is what like...the 5th or 6th Lebron RPA now with questionable provenance?

[usmc03vet]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

I'm waiting for dimensions on the card. I did my due diligence long before I posted. The card is short. I measured it against at least four copies of the card, two Lebrons and two commons.

So basically what you are saying here is that you did not do your due diligence previously when these guys first came to you by using "overlays" of other 03-04 Exquisite to measure the card but now you are waiting for dimensions while in the meantime your saying "the card is short."

Seems a bit odd and ass backwards to me.

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by usmc03vet

So basically what you are saying here is that you did not do your due diligence previously when these guys first came to you by using "overlays" of other 03-04 Exquisite to measure the card but now you are waiting for dimensions while in the meantime your saying "the card is short."

Seems a bit odd and ass backwards to me.

Was I given high quality scans of the card in December?

[asujbl]

What a wild ride. I wish I had as much time as you guys.

[usmc03vet]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Was I given high quality scans of the card in December?

I couldn't say if you received them or not, but if not how could you give these guy's the stamp of approval to move forward on purchasing the card?

Doesn't seem like you should have given an opinion at all if you did not have all of the information necessary to form an adequate one.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by usmc03vet

I couldn't say if you received them or not, but if not how could you give these guy's the stamp of approval to move forward on purchasing the card?

Doesn't seem like you should have given an opinion at all if you did not have all of the information necessary to form an adequate one.

If only BGS had measured the card...

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by usmc03vet

I couldn't say if you received them or not, but if not how could you give these guy's the stamp of approval to move forward on purchasing the card?

Doesn't seem like you should have given an opinion at all if you did not have all of the information necessary to form an adequate one.

I didn’t give them an unconditional stamp of approval. That’s why I’m waiting for my comments to be posted. As I recall, I clearly noted that strong provenance on a card like this would be important going forward in the hobby. Where is that provenance?

[RogerGodahell]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

I hear ya. This whole thing (and the graded card market in general) reaks. This is what like...the 5th or 6th Lebron RPA now with questionable provenance?

What's new? The PMG that Nat bought, the Honus Wagner were both trimmed. Those were both like $1M cards right?. Crazy to me that people would spend so much on an altered card but i guess when you have funny money it's like couch change. Can't and wont ever understand it because i don't have that kind of money. Nothing really surprises me anymore though after all of the high end cards that i've seen trimmed and patches being swapped out. That's the biggest reason i stay away from RPA's.