2019 Prizm might be my last

WallyG71 · 02-18-2020, 03:37 PM

I have been buying 2019 Prizm since it first came out. I love busting wax and enjoy the chase of potentially hitting something big. I had never even considered making a set until this past weekend. I had stacks of cards laying around and figured out what the heck I've got to have at least a full set and possibly a shot at a second. Boy was I ever WRONG. After at least $1000 - $1200 worth of product I don't even have a complete base set 1 -300 (I'm 3 cards short Drew Brees, Thurman Thomas and Geno Atkins) and the rookies I'm 14 short (none of the biggie's at least) I purchased 1 Hobby Box $170 - 14 Mega Boxes $560.A ton of blasters from both Target and Walmart, a bunch of hobby packs just will standing around the store talking and countless cellos. My wife was even picking up a blaster box or a cello here and there if see saw them for me... Is it just my bad luck or is set that badly collated that you can't even put together a set? It's ridiculous how are young kids supposed to get into the hobby and build sets if impossible to do? I am going to have to think long and hard if I'm going to the purchasing next years product like crazy. I might just buy a complete set off fleabay for $150 and call it a day.

Attached pic is just some the cards, both shoe boxes are full as well.

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Grid · 02-18-2020, 03:49 PM

If you busted a master case, and came up those cards shorted, Id point to either SP cards or bad collation.

But that is not what you did. You bought a hobby box, blasters from different stores at different times, packs and cellos one at a time from random places etc

How can you point to collation, when you were basically buying these piece meal from a bunch of different sources at completely different times?

If I did the same thing, I might have ended up with 6 brees cards, where you had none. As I'm sure you ended up with multiples of some other random player

Yours is not a true sample.

Grid · 02-18-2020, 03:52 PM

You have to count what else you get from those packs, beyond simple base cards. With all of the parallels, autos, refractors and what not, its not like you are fisting 10 base cards with each pack.

By design, most people want inserts, numbered cards and autos out of this set. And that is what you get, along with some base.

mortatort · 02-18-2020, 04:00 PM

Agreed. And you should have plenty of trade fodder to complete at least 1 set if not a couple. the fun isn't over.. now go make a trade thread and enjoy not having to spend any more dough to get your set(s).

WallyG71 · 02-18-2020, 04:37 PM

I get what you guys are saying if I had brought a whole case and fell that short it would be a collation issue. Again I never really intended to build a set, I just thought that with that much product attempting it would have been a slam dunk. I can probably get most of the missing cards from my LCS he has guys who bust a box or two take the hits and big RC's and just leave the rest behind. Thanks

bojesphob · 02-19-2020, 09:48 AM

This definitely wasn't just a 2019 release thing. I ripped a LOT of 2014 Prizm, and I mean a LOT. 8 cases of hobby, 2.5 cases of Jumbo, ~30 blasters, well over 100 of the RWB multipacks, and around 30 case breaks (although, those numbers might be a little low). The collation on those was TERRIBLE. So much so, that the cases that I personally ripped had a total of only 1 finite, and a small handful of gold. I even had some of the short print parallels where I had multiple copies of which I would have thought would have been impossible given how few there were of some of them and my small sample size: one example is the Camo Brett Favre in a Vikings uniform. I personally pulled FOUR of those from the 2.5 cases of Jumbo that I ripped myself, and some players, like Brady, I never even saw a Prizms parallel for. Heck, I'm STILL looking for a Scott Tolzien Pink, which is the last Packers/Former Packers player I need from that set, going on 6 years since I started looking for it. The base sets were difficult to build as well beyond a certain point, to the effect that some base cards I had 20 of, and some I had only 2 or 3.

What I think they did is that even with base cards, some cards are shorter print than others. With base cards, it's not nearly as big of a deal as others, but if you are building sets, it makes it harder to build one if you have one or two cards that are less commonly packed out than others, which means you'll probably buy more to finish the set. Unnumbered variations I think are done in a same way, although sometimes you would think it might be higher end players that they do it with (which they do), but they also do it with random low end players too, like the Scott Tolzien Pink that I need - over 5 years into this collection, and I've seen ONE show up, in a break, right when the product came out. That's it, none on eBay, none on Amazon, none in COMC, none on google searches. Aaron Rodgers I am sure of about 3 existing, but there may be a 4th if one set of sales wasn't the sale of one that existed already. Considering how much I spent in 2015-17 prizm, I would be surprised if they weren't still doing it that way.

OneBuck · 02-19-2020, 10:23 AM

fwiw I've had much better luck completing nearly every topps set I've worked on than any of the Panini ones. I'm not sure if it's just my luck or if the 2 companies do something vastly different, but with the exception of 2019 Heritage most of the baseball sets I've worked on have been pretty easy to complete packed pulled sets. I haven't had nearly the luck with any of the football or basketball I've bought.

02-18-2020, 03:37 PM	#1
WallyG71 Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 113	2019 Prizm might be my last I have been buying 2019 Prizm since it first came out. I love busting wax and enjoy the chase of potentially hitting something big. I had never even considered making a set until this past weekend. I had stacks of cards laying around and figured out what the heck I've got to have at least a full set and possibly a shot at a second. Boy was I ever WRONG. After at least $1000 - $1200 worth of product I don't even have a complete base set 1 -300 (I'm 3 cards short Drew Brees, Thurman Thomas and Geno Atkins) and the rookies I'm 14 short (none of the biggie's at least) I purchased 1 Hobby Box $170 - 14 Mega Boxes $560.A ton of blasters from both Target and Walmart, a bunch of hobby packs just will standing around the store talking and countless cellos. My wife was even picking up a blaster box or a cello here and there if see saw them for me... Is it just my bad luck or is set that badly collated that you can't even put together a set? It's ridiculous how are young kids supposed to get into the hobby and build sets if impossible to do? I am going to have to think long and hard if I'm going to the purchasing next years product like crazy. I might just buy a complete set off fleabay for $150 and call it a day. Attached pic is just some the cards, both shoe boxes are full as well. Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk Last edited by WallyG71; 04-20-2020 at 10:26 AM.

02-19-2020, 10:23 AM	#7
OneBuck Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 846	fwiw I've had much better luck completing nearly every topps set I've worked on than any of the Panini ones. I'm not sure if it's just my luck or if the 2 companies do something vastly different, but with the exception of 2019 Heritage most of the baseball sets I've worked on have been pretty easy to complete packed pulled sets. I haven't had nearly the luck with any of the football or basketball I've bought. __________________ https://www.flickr.com/photos/onebuckcollectibles/albums

02-18-2020, 03:49 PM	#2
Grid Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 12,965 Gridiron-Gladiators	If you busted a master case, and came up those cards shorted, Id point to either SP cards or bad collation. But that is not what you did. You bought a hobby box, blasters from different stores at different times, packs and cellos one at a time from random places etc How can you point to collation, when you were basically buying these piece meal from a bunch of different sources at completely different times? If I did the same thing, I might have ended up with 6 brees cards, where you had none. As I'm sure you ended up with multiples of some other random player Yours is not a true sample.

02-18-2020, 03:52 PM	#3
Grid Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 12,965 Gridiron-Gladiators	You have to count what else you get from those packs, beyond simple base cards. With all of the parallels, autos, refractors and what not, its not like you are fisting 10 base cards with each pack. By design, most people want inserts, numbered cards and autos out of this set. And that is what you get, along with some base.

02-18-2020, 04:00 PM	#4
mortatort Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Floriduh Posts: 6,357 mortatort	Agreed. And you should have plenty of trade fodder to complete at least 1 set if not a couple. the fun isn't over.. now go make a trade thread and enjoy not having to spend any more dough to get your set(s).

02-18-2020, 04:37 PM	#5
WallyG71 Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 113	I get what you guys are saying if I had brought a whole case and fell that short it would be a collation issue. Again I never really intended to build a set, I just thought that with that much product attempting it would have been a slam dunk. I can probably get most of the missing cards from my LCS he has guys who bust a box or two take the hits and big RC's and just leave the rest behind. Thanks

02-19-2020, 09:48 AM	#6
bojesphob Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 3,696 bojesphob	This definitely wasn't just a 2019 release thing. I ripped a LOT of 2014 Prizm, and I mean a LOT. 8 cases of hobby, 2.5 cases of Jumbo, ~30 blasters, well over 100 of the RWB multipacks, and around 30 case breaks (although, those numbers might be a little low). The collation on those was TERRIBLE. So much so, that the cases that I personally ripped had a total of only 1 finite, and a small handful of gold. I even had some of the short print parallels where I had multiple copies of which I would have thought would have been impossible given how few there were of some of them and my small sample size: one example is the Camo Brett Favre in a Vikings uniform. I personally pulled FOUR of those from the 2.5 cases of Jumbo that I ripped myself, and some players, like Brady, I never even saw a Prizms parallel for. Heck, I'm STILL looking for a Scott Tolzien Pink, which is the last Packers/Former Packers player I need from that set, going on 6 years since I started looking for it. The base sets were difficult to build as well beyond a certain point, to the effect that some base cards I had 20 of, and some I had only 2 or 3. What I think they did is that even with base cards, some cards are shorter print than others. With base cards, it's not nearly as big of a deal as others, but if you are building sets, it makes it harder to build one if you have one or two cards that are less commonly packed out than others, which means you'll probably buy more to finish the set. Unnumbered variations I think are done in a same way, although sometimes you would think it might be higher end players that they do it with (which they do), but they also do it with random low end players too, like the Scott Tolzien Pink that I need - over 5 years into this collection, and I've seen ONE show up, in a break, right when the product came out. That's it, none on eBay, none on Amazon, none in COMC, none on google searches. Aaron Rodgers I am sure of about 3 existing, but there may be a 4th if one set of sales wasn't the sale of one that existed already. Considering how much I spent in 2015-17 prizm, I would be surprised if they weren't still doing it that way.