2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by Ty Hope

According to a new Tim Pool video, there is data proving that the further left a person goes on the political spectrum, the higher the % of recorded mental illness. Makes sense, no surprise there.

What does the data say about someone who never takes their beanie off?

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

It's hard to believe that the Constitution was written to allows presidential pardons. That's a carryover from the days of a monarchy. Pardons are either ceremonious (Jack Johnson), used for your political cronies or pets (Mark Rich, Cisneros, Manning) or just bizarre (Patty Hearst).

There are no limits. This should be our next amendment.

I agree with you in many ways.

One additional perspective to consider is that the erasure of unilateral pardons (whether by governors or presidents) means that all of our faith is in the bureaucracy of the legal system.

I'm not anti-bureaucracy (I'm not a fan either, I just realize that any complex modern society requires them to function), but the idea that once you enter the system there is no longer any one single person who can, in an act of humanity, pull you out of it if something were to go wrong is a bit terrifying.

I would be adamantly opposed to a system where someone could unilaterally convict and sentence someone, but I'm relatively fine with a system where someone can unilaterally overturn and free someone.

So again, I agree with you that this kind of power invested in a single person does harken back to monarchy. Ultimately for me it comes down to being easier to trust the judgement of an actual human than to have faith in a system designed by humans working perfectly every time.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by jdandns

What does the data say about someone who never takes their beanie off?

A receding hairline.

Or, if they are like me, someone who is to busy to give much thought in the morning to styling their hair. I just toss on a ballcap or beanie and bike to the office. Plus its sunny as all get out here in the desert, so a bit of headgear is what the dermatologists recommend.

[Dielon]

I like Tim Pool, but lately I think he dramatizes everything a bit much. I think he is good at his job, but he needs to tone it down and lay off the speed.

[TheFrenzy]

Last comment: For all of the debacle surrounding the Iowa voting app, I still think this is the direction we should be heading.

Maybe not direct voting anytime soon unless we can develop some kind of blockchain for democracy, but there are still dozens of other valuable citizenship uses for such an app. I would love it every phone came equipped with an app that—like dialing 9-1-1—worked even without service and let you:

- See when local/state/federal elections were coming up.

- Where polling locations are.

- Assistance with registering to vote + a real-time status of your registration.

- Links to local/state/federal candidates webpages.

- Sent you alerts when new legislation was proposed with links to the PDF documents.

- Gave time/location for city council meetings along with the agendas.

- Perhaps most importantly, let you mark all proposed legislation as "support" or "opposed" on your profile and then, as elections approached, you could see which candidates have voted most consistently in line with your views. It wouldn't register your support/opposition in a public poll because that would be too easy for bad actors to manipulate, but it would record it locally on your profile so that you could have that resource.

- If it ever did become possible to have relatively ensured integrity, such an app could even allow voters to rank their candidates and see how popular people really are. Even if you are opposed to Ranked Choice Voting, such an exercise could really help with primaries so that voters of the same party don't have to engage in as much "game theory" trying to guess how everyone else will vote. If they could see that most fellow party voters actually favor the 3rd or 4th candidate, they would then have the confidence to actually go and vote for them and thus have someone who truly represents them in the general election.

The fact that we don't have even a hint of this kind of app in 2020 is probably one of the most suspicious things about American democracy to me. I could get out the tin foil on this topic.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by preakness

Astros or US taxpayers filing out tax forms for IRS -- bigger cheaters?

Thanks for taking my advice and not being funny.
Oh, and can we please keep sports out of the political thread?

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[Soxfanguy]

Warren is in big trouble I think

[BostonNut]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Thanks for taking my advice and not being funny.
Oh, and can we please keep sports out of the political thread?

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As a Patriots fan, my advice is to laugh it off and not engage....

[Soxfanguy]

It looks like Sanders, Pete, and Klobuchar now

[Soxfanguy]

"I will fully pay for my plans by rolling back the Trump tax breaks"

Ok I don't like Pete anymore

[Soxfanguy]

Taxes are already too damn high

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

Taxes are already too damn high

How about we simplify the tax code first and remove all the loop holes.

[chezball]

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by pac213up

How about we simplify the tax code first and remove all the loop holes.

It's TurboTax's fault

https://www.propublica.org/article/i...taxes-for-free

[chezball]

Originally Posted by chezball

Which will lead to this.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Last comment: For all of the debacle surrounding the Iowa voting app, I still think this is the direction we should be heading.

Maybe not direct voting anytime soon unless we can develop some kind of blockchain for democracy, but there are still dozens of other valuable citizenship uses for such an app. I would love it every phone came equipped with an app that—like dialing 9-1-1—worked even without service and let you:

- See when local/state/federal elections were coming up.

- Where polling locations are.

- Assistance with registering to vote + a real-time status of your registration.

- Links to local/state/federal candidates webpages.

- Sent you alerts when new legislation was proposed with links to the PDF documents.

- Gave time/location for city council meetings along with the agendas.

- Perhaps most importantly, let you mark all proposed legislation as "support" or "opposed" on your profile and then, as elections approached, you could see which candidates have voted most consistently in line with your views. It wouldn't register your support/opposition in a public poll because that would be too easy for bad actors to manipulate, but it would record it locally on your profile so that you could have that resource.

- If it ever did become possible to have relatively ensured integrity, such an app could even allow voters to rank their candidates and see how popular people really are. Even if you are opposed to Ranked Choice Voting, such an exercise could really help with primaries so that voters of the same party don't have to engage in as much "game theory" trying to guess how everyone else will vote. If they could see that most fellow party voters actually favor the 3rd or 4th candidate, they would then have the confidence to actually go and vote for them and thus have someone who truly represents them in the general election.

The fact that we don't have even a hint of this kind of app in 2020 is probably one of the most suspicious things about American democracy to me. I could get out the tin foil on this topic.

I think that there's most certainly a future with what you're proposing, especially so much of the "basic needs" like if you're registered, app-based registering, when and where to vote, etc.

Regarding the policy information side of things...I'm of the belief that those who are interested in researching candidates, reading bills, following politics etc. are already doing so on their own. Right or wrong, not everyone is comfortable reading and understanding a lot of policy proposals nor are they able to comprehend what it may mean in the short-term or long-term.

Everything said, Iowa and the DNC made a grave serious of mistakes with the caucus and that alone should worry people about basic things like reporting physical votes in an app.

I do think that we'll eventually roll in a "universal" network that includes web access and phone access, along with at least "basic" devices. This would need to be in place before we could expect to see this type of political assistance.

But I don't think we're too far off from that.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Last comment: For all of the debacle surrounding the Iowa voting app, I still think this is the direction we should be heading.

Maybe not direct voting anytime soon unless we can develop some kind of blockchain for democracy, but there are still dozens of other valuable citizenship uses for such an app. I would love it every phone came equipped with an app that—like dialing 9-1-1—worked even without service and let you:

- See when local/state/federal elections were coming up.

- Where polling locations are.

- Assistance with registering to vote + a real-time status of your registration.

- Links to local/state/federal candidates webpages.

- Sent you alerts when new legislation was proposed with links to the PDF documents.

- Gave time/location for city council meetings along with the agendas.

- Perhaps most importantly, let you mark all proposed legislation as "support" or "opposed" on your profile and then, as elections approached, you could see which candidates have voted most consistently in line with your views. It wouldn't register your support/opposition in a public poll because that would be too easy for bad actors to manipulate, but it would record it locally on your profile so that you could have that resource.

- If it ever did become possible to have relatively ensured integrity, such an app could even allow voters to rank their candidates and see how popular people really are. Even if you are opposed to Ranked Choice Voting, such an exercise could really help with primaries so that voters of the same party don't have to engage in as much "game theory" trying to guess how everyone else will vote. If they could see that most fellow party voters actually favor the 3rd or 4th candidate, they would then have the confidence to actually go and vote for them and thus have someone who truly represents them in the general election.

The fact that we don't have even a hint of this kind of app in 2020 is probably one of the most suspicious things about American democracy to me. I could get out the tin foil on this topic.

While I think some of this would be a great idea, do you have any idea how secure you would have to make the system and maintain that security to avoid it being hacked by foreign actors or even the opposite political party?

Can you imagine one party finding out your are registered with the other party and hacking your app to send you to a different polling station so you would miss voting?

Or how about a foreign actor dumping fake legislation PDFs on your phone to sway you to vote against a particular candidate or party.

Technology is too insecure to support things like this and unfortunately, as soon as you protect it, the bad guys find another way in.

[Wade Mulroy]

Originally Posted by houdini

2016 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - All Politics & Dumb Opinions Here

Took a time travel back to November 2016 and read through some of the comments in that thread from the night of the election and day after... holy moly there was a lot of fear-mongering.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by Wade Mulroy

Took a time travel back to November 2016 and read through some of the comments in that thread from the night of the election and day after... holy moly there was a lot of fear-mongering.

There still is. "Trump is going to get is in a war with Iran." "The economy is going into a recession." The media is full of fear mongering.

[Dielon]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

There still is. "Trump is going to get is in a war with Iran." "The economy is going into a recession." The media is full of fear mongering.

Don't forget Godwin's law.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by Wade Mulroy

Took a time travel back to November 2016 and read through some of the comments in that thread from the night of the election and day after... holy moly there was a lot of fear-mongering.

War is a theme of the Republican Party.

I thank the adults in the room from stopping Trump and his instigating with NK and Iran. In what world does a POTUS call another loose cannon dictator “Rocket Man”? How close were we to a war with Iran? We do not need another needless and unwanted war.

[Ray27Ray52]

Remember in November if you are voting for Bloomberg that his biggest contribution so far is eliminating large sodas from your diet. What a clown. Please do better Dems.

[chezball]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

War is a theme of the Republican Party.

I thank the adults in the room from stopping Trump and his instigating with NK and Iran. In what world does a POTUS call another loose cannon dictator “Rocket Man”? How close were we to a war with Iran? We do not need another needless and unwanted war.

He's the only president that had the balls to handle NK.
Unlike all the presidents before him. We aren't close to war with them Iran
If she would have won, we would be at war with Russia now and there would have been a draft.
You have no idea the bullet this country dodged by not voting her in.

[GoTribe!!!]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

War is a theme of the Republican Party.

I thank the adults in the room from stopping Trump and his instigating with NK and Iran. In what world does a POTUS call another loose cannon dictator “Rocket Man”? How close were we to a war with Iran? We do not need another needless and unwanted war.

LOL. Keep being duped by CNN.

[chezball]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

Remember in November if you are voting for Bloomberg that his biggest contribution so far is eliminating large sodas from your diet. What a clown. Please do better Dems.

Not to mention getting a third term that he should not have gotten.
What happened to that tape that got released a couple of days ago.
Are the lame stream media not reporting on it? Is that's the D's new hope to take down 45?