2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

Tweets yes. Decisions no. His decisions have been sound.

The trade war with China has been sound?

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Where is my wall???

That was his #1 campaign promise.

Why isn’t Obamacare in the trash?

That was an 8 year talking point from the Republicans! I want it gone!

I agree. Its going up, just not at the pace I would like it to. Need this thing built decades ago.

Court battles have been the issue at repealing Obamacare. Luckily I don't have to worry about it, but feel sorry for people who do.

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by pac213up

The trade war with China has been sound?

Yes. Are we at war with China? Has the economy crashed because of the trade war? This is what Democrats were saying was going to happen.

[jrinne17]

Originally Posted by pac213up

The trade war with China has been sound?

No, according to the left stuff like that should get done in a day. My job is purchasing, yes it has sucked but in the end this will be fantastic for the US. China's economy is getting slammed right now because of this.

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

****BREAKING NEWS****

Poor people still poor, rich people richer than ever. Middle class still middle?

I am in the middle class and am doing much better. People need to take responsibility for their own actions. Their are reasons people stay poor.

[Jacquo1972]

Originally Posted by pac213up

The trade war with China has been sound?

Ummm, yeah. They just signed Phase I of a new trade deal with China not too long ago. They're also easing up on their policy of stealing the intellectual property of companies that do business there.

[Jacquo1972]

I heard Trump dropped a couple floaters this morning instead of two divers. Better look into this Democrats!

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by jdandns

So poor people who no longer get food stamps aren't poor anymore?
Fascinating.

Go back to making excuses for proven liars.

https://www.christianpost.com/news/1...od-stamps.html

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

I will make my final point for the night.

When you have a man like Trump in control, any scenario is possible. Look at the Iran conflict last month. When Iran lobbed weapons back at us, what was Trump capable of? He isn’t a guy who is methodical and calculating. He doesn’t take advice generally speaking. He is crapshoot. I applauded and respected his decision to stand down and deescalate the situation. It took a real man to do that. Maybe it was him or his advisors or his generals...who knows who got in his ear. You mention NK...now Jung Un is a lunatic. Again, Trump agitates Un and NK starts throwing misses around like collection plate at church. Why would he provoke a man like Un with senseless tweets about the size of his missiles? Juvenile nonsense. Situations like these will start another unnecessary war...but, of course, it’ll be our children fighting....not Eric Trump....

But, yeah, I am the delusional one....

Almost like you are upset we killed a terrorist. Thing is we have not been dragged into another war. Majority of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have come home. Seems to me his decisions are working.

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by jrinne17

Essentially this is what it comes down to. Overly sensitive people who miss the days of Obama traveling the world and apologizing for how bad America is. They all say show me the sources, when you do they come right back and say that's not a creditable source because its from a Republican website. If you pay attention to the main stream media this is the type of person you get, when you look deeper into things you get people who truly know what is going on. The media about the Obama Presidency: "This is the first scandal free Presidency" - interesting how this has turned out to be the most corrupt Presidency.

Now lets put this one to bed before it gets brought up. the big deal with all the little Millennial's at our work is the environment. The world is going to end in 10 years, I remember they said this back in 1988 when I was 11 years old. Well the Earth is still here and seems to be doing very well. The experts, yes the experts are 0-41 in the last 50 years. Here is a wonderful link - with sources on how incredibly wrong they have been. Funny how the most highly educated people are usually the people who are wrong on a regular basis. None the less, enjoy.

https://www.breitbart.com/environmen...y-predictions/

Global warming. I mean climate change. Rename it so they can repackage it to continue to make money off of it. Sad. Really sad. Hey Obama how is that house doing along the coast that you bought?

https://dailycaller.com/2019/08/26/o...limate-change/

[babyfaceposey]

Have a good day everyone. Have to go to work. Trump 2020.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

Yes. Are we at war with China? Has the economy crashed because of the trade war? This is what Democrats were saying was going to happen.

I do not really care what the Democrats said, that is not how I judge a decision to be sound or not. That would go for both incompetent parties.

No the economy has not crashed BUT it has impacted economic growth, accelerated bankruptcies for farmers that were already struggling, and will reduce real household income by an estimated $1,277 this year. To this point...there has been no benefit. Slowing economic growth down to Obama levels does not seem like a "sound" decision.

[Jacquo1972]

Originally Posted by pac213up

I do not really care what the Democrats said, that is not how I judge a decision to be sound or not. That would go for both incompetent parties.

No the economy has not crashed BUT it has impacted economic growth, accelerated bankruptcies for farmers that were already struggling, and will reduce real household income by an estimated $1,277 this year. To this point...there has been no benefit. Slowing economic growth down to Obama levels does not seem like a "sound" decision.

The tariffs weren't implemented based on what's best in the short term. China's unfair trade practices are a can that's been kicked down the road for decades.

I'd also be curious to know where your figures were coming from.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by Jacquo1972

The tariffs weren't implemented based on what's best in the short term. China's unfair trade practices are a can that's been kicked down the road for decades.

I'd also be curious to know where your figures were coming from.

I agree that China needed to be addressed. However there is currently nothing agreed upon that is going to make us any better than before the trade war started. We only lost what we lost at this point. If there is a significant phase 2 I will eat crow....I think the chances are slim to none.

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/56073

https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_real_gdp_growth

[Jacquo1972]

Originally Posted by pac213up

I agree that China needed to be addressed. However there is currently nothing agreed upon that is going to make us any better than before the trade war started. We only lost what we lost at this point. If there is a significant phase 2 I will eat crow....I think the chances are slim to none.

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/56073

https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_real_gdp_growth

How can you be so certain about Phase II of a trade agreement? Hell, not too long ago, Phase I was just a pipe-dream. Experts also said 3.0 growth was impossible, and the slick hustler in Chief Obama sung that, "Those jobs aren't coming back." All the so called experts have been wrong these past three years. Let's just see how this thing plays out.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by Jacquo1972

How can you be so certain about Phase II of a trade agreement? Hell, not too long ago, Phase I was just a pipe-dream. Experts also said 3.0 growth was impossible, and the slick hustler in Chief Obama sung that, "Those jobs aren't coming back." All the so called experts have been wrong these past three years. Let's just see how this thing plays out.

Obama was wrong...just like Trump was when he predicted 6% growth. Politicians say what people want to hear, not what they always really believe.

[Jacquo1972]

Originally Posted by pac213up

Obama was wrong...just like Trump was when he predicted 6% growth. Politicians say what people want to hear, not what they always really believe.

I do remember him talking about six percent, but did he predict it or say we could possibly reach it?

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by Jacquo1972

How can you be so certain about Phase II of a trade agreement? Hell, not too long ago, Phase I was just a pipe-dream. Experts also said 3.0 growth was impossible, and the slick hustler in Chief Obama sung that, "Those jobs aren't coming back." All the so called experts have been wrong these past three years. Let's just see how this thing plays out.

We haven’t had 3% yearly growth under the Trump administration though. Which is odd because people have so much more money to produce...

It’s almost as if the President isn’t directly responsible for the Economy, on either side.

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

We haven’t had 3% yearly growth under the Trump administration though. Which is odd because people have so much more money to produce...

It’s almost as if the President isn’t directly responsible for the Economy, on either side.

First people said it was Obamas policies now its presidents are not responsible for the economy. Holy hell man. Democrats are screwed in 2020. This is going to be a land slide.

[Jacquo1972]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

We haven’t had 3% yearly growth under the Trump administration though. Which is odd because people have so much more money to produce...

It’s almost as if the President isn’t directly responsible for the Economy, on either side.

Directly responsible? No. The President does have immense power to influence though. I would find it difficult to believe that fear over the Corona Virus can cause the DOW to drop four hundred points, but a President's fiscal policy won't move the needle. The markets are all about confidence.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by Jacquo1972

I do remember him talking about six percent, but did he predict it or say we could possibly reach it?

“We're bringing it (the GDP) from 1 percent up to 4 percent. And I actually think we can go higher than 4 percent. I think you can go to 5 percent or 6 percent.”

Of course it never touched 4% and has been hovering around a modest 2.1% for the last several quarters, which is where is was at the end of the Obama Presidency.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

First people said it was Obamas policies now its presidents are not responsible for the economy. Holy hell man. Democrats are screwed in 2020. This is going to be a land slide.

I’ve said my entire life the President has little to no effect. We don’t live in a dictatorship. Even the market crash in 2008 isn’t directly the fault of GWB.

Originally Posted by Jacquo1972

Directly responsible? No. The President does have immense power to influence though. I would find it difficult to believe that fear over the Corona Virus can cause the DOW to drop four hundred points, but a President's fiscal policy won't move the needle. The markets are all about confidence.

We agree. We can also agree the GDP had 3% growth annually since 2005.

The economy is strong, but anybody ACTUALLY invested has seen record growth since 2009. My investments have grown at a higher percentage under the Obama administration than the Trump administration. Not a fault or cause of either administration, they just lost so much in 2008 that obviously coming out of that downturn they’d increase at stupid levels.

[deansayso]

Originally Posted by pac213up

I do not really care what the Democrats said, that is not how I judge a decision to be sound or not. That would go for both incompetent parties.

No the economy has not crashed BUT it has impacted economic growth, accelerated bankruptcies for farmers that were already struggling, and will reduce real household income by an estimated $1,277 this year. To this point...there has been no benefit. Slowing economic growth down to Obama levels does not seem like a "sound" decision.

Farmer here. I know of 0 farms that have declared bankruptcy. If there was 1 bankruptcy in my county last year and 2 this year that's a 100% increase and that sounds like a huge number right? The ones who have are in the south and were over extended to begin with. That or they aren't diversified. Farming is just like any other business... If you aren't on your toes and ready to change you get left behind.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by deansayso

Farmer here. I know of 0 farms that have declared bankruptcy. If there was 1 bankruptcy in my county last year and 2 this year that's a 100% increase and that sounds like a huge number right? The ones who have are in the south and were over extended to begin with. That or they aren't diversified. Farming is just like any other business... If you aren't on your toes and ready to change you get left behind.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1ZT2YE

https://markets.businessinsider.com/...0-1-1028861420

[deansayso]

Originally Posted by pac213up

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1ZT2YE

https://markets.businessinsider.com/...0-1-1028861420

Thanks for sharing those articles. Some Farmers thought that prices from 8 years ago would be able to maintain themselves. Now they are way over extended and looking for a way out. Those articles also didn't mention the amount of acres that weren't planted that is accelerating some of those bankruptcies. Every grain farmer had the same opportunity to forward contract and capture a decent market.