Picard

[richo]

So I just watched the first episode / pilot of this and thought it was fantastic! The obvious question is will this get picked up for a card set? Anybody heard anything or have any thoughts? Would seem to be an obvious choice to me.

[IndySportsCards]

I watched the 1st 10 mins last night and was impressed so far, plan on watching the rest this weekend.

[A Levine]

I had to take a break from Mars Attacks work to watch and discuss with friends. Great episode! I'm stoked this is back, and really really good to boot.

[Vargaman]

This looks intriguing but I've never watched Star Trek before, aside from the recent 2 or 3 movies.

Would I have had to watch whatever series Picard was in, or would this be like watching Mandalorian without seeing any other Star Wars?

[Malavon]

Originally Posted by richo

So I just watched the first episode / pilot of this and thought it was fantastic! The obvious question is will this get picked up for a card set? Anybody heard anything or have any thoughts? Would seem to be an obvious choice to me.

Rittenhouse owns the license for all things Star Trek and plans to produce a trading card set for Picard. It hasn't been added to their release schedule yet (I'm assuming its a long way off), but the album exclusive promo is a preview for the Picard set.

Here is an image of the card

Not pictured, but the back of the card says:

Star Trek PICARD Trading Cards
Coming 2020

[Malavon]

Originally Posted by Vargaman

This looks intriguing but I've never watched Star Trek before, aside from the recent 2 or 3 movies.

Would I have had to watch whatever series Picard was in, or would this be like watching Mandalorian without seeing any other Star Wars?

There are definitely some key episodes and movies you should watch for full effect. I haven't seen the first episode yet, but the list on this site seems pretty comprehensive.

I should add that all of these episodes are REALLY good, some of the best Star Trek TV has to offer.

https://www.pocket-lint.com/tv/news/...efore-the-show

[Vargaman]

Originally Posted by Malavon

There are definitely some key episodes and movies you should watch for full effect. I haven't seen the first episode yet, but the list on this site seems pretty comprehensive.

I should add that all of these episodes are REALLY good, some of the best Star Trek TV has to offer.

https://www.pocket-lint.com/tv/news/...efore-the-show

Sweet, thanks!

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[DontToewsMeBro]

I'm all in on Picard
Especially on the Romulan Supernova backstory
Lots of little easter eggs in the first episode playing homage to ST:TNG

[A Levine]

Originally Posted by Vargaman

This looks intriguing but I've never watched Star Trek before, aside from the recent 2 or 3 movies.

Would I have had to watch whatever series Picard was in, or would this be like watching Mandalorian without seeing any other Star Wars?

Maybe it's my bias talking but I also feel like they gave just enough context, that as long as you have a passing familiarity with the basics of Trek's history (ie: Picard was the captain of the Enterprise, the Romulans were bad guys, etc) you could probably watch it without being too lost. They explain just enough that you won't be too confused.

[ForceChange77]

Originally Posted by DontToewsMeBro

I'm all in on Picard
Especially on the Romulan Supernova backstory
Lots of little easter eggs in the first episode playing homage to ST:TNG

I doubt the backstory gets covered much, as it was done in the leadup to the Star Trek movie reboot. How much it follows, I do not know, especially given that Data was resurrected in the comic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Countdown

[richo]

For me they also gave just the right amount of backstory. A few Easter eggs and references for those looking for them, but also accessible enough to watch if you were not an expert.

I just find Patrick Stewart so watchable. He really delivered a masterclass in that first pilot episode.

[A Levine]

Originally Posted by ForceChange77

I doubt the backstory gets covered much, as it was done in the leadup to the Star Trek movie reboot. How much it follows, I do not know, especially given that Data was resurrected in the comic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Countdown

From what I gather, those comics are no longer canon. They were at the time, but I'm guessing that was because they had no idea they'd eventually be doing a TNG continuation (the state of the franchise looked VERY different in 2009).

In the original Countdown comic, as you said, Data (in B-4's body) was Captain of the Enterprise. That clearly never happened in the backstory of the Picard show, if you've seen the first episode.

That said, they may pull a little inspiration from it here and there, so it's still probably an interesting read from a historical perspective.

[clearblue]

I enjoyed the episode, but I couldn't help but feel like it was an X-Men movie or more specifically, part of the Logan movie. Felt like old man Xavier connecting telepathically.

[A Levine]

Originally Posted by clearblue

I enjoyed the episode, but I couldn't help but feel like it was an X-Men movie or more specifically, part of the Logan movie. Felt like old man Xavier connecting telepathically.

Stewart has always played the two characters almost identically, with the largest difference being that Xavier was a slightly more gentle father figure, and here-- where Picard is older, and working with a younger generation (no pun intended)-- his performance does have some more fatherly notes.

So while I understand what you're saying, the real problem is the fact that when they hired Stewart to portray Xavier in the first X-Men film, he was clearly told to "just play Picard in a wheelchair" so inevitably these comparisons are going to come up.

But where else were you going to take an elderly Picard? This is the story of a man with a strict moral compass, trying to find a place in a world that has seemingly lost its own. Looking forward to them exploring this theme more over the rest of the season.

[rittdk01]

I really liked the first episode. And knowing what they are talking about isn’t a necessity, but it makes watching a lot more fun.

[rudzud]

While I enjoyed the first episode I just know this isn't going to have the same vibe/feel of TNG which is supremely disappointing.

[A Levine]

Originally Posted by rudzud

While I enjoyed the first episode I just know this isn't going to have the same vibe/feel of TNG which is supremely disappointing.

I'm very glad it won't! We got a decade of that kind of thing that we can always rewatch if we want that, i'd prefer the franchise move forward, myself.

Besides, shows that come back after 20+ years and try to do the exact same thing are usually just a nostalgia itch that feel nice for an episode or two, and quickly lose audiences interest. This seems like something fresh, but with a few returning characters, which makes it way more compelling and probably gives it greater potential to stick around.

[DontToewsMeBro]

Originally Posted by rudzud

While I enjoyed the first episode I just know this isn't going to have the same vibe/feel of TNG which is supremely disappointing.

I respectfully disagree 100%

I don't want a re-gurgitation of an old show. Give me something new. Give me something modern not a re-imagining of what the early 1990's could accomplish.

[packman80]

I won't watch this for 2 reasons first I refuse to pay extra for a show that should be on their channel and not have to pay extra to see more shows. Second reason is I heard Patrick Stewart is going to put his political views into the show. Left or Right you should never use a show like this as a soapbox for one's political views.

[A Levine]

Originally Posted by packman80

I won't watch this for 2 reasons first I refuse to pay extra for a show that should be on their channel and not have to pay extra to see more shows. Second reason is I heard Patrick Stewart is going to put his political views into the show. Left or Right you should never use a show like this as a soapbox for one's political views.

Star Trek has always been about pushing political views. They were doing anti-racism and anti-war episodes during the civil rights movement and the Vietnam War.

On TNG there were episodes about LGBTQ rights ("The Outcast"), veterans rights ("The Hunted"), an episode that was a clear allegory for global warming ("Force of Nature"), and others.

DS9 was so rife with contemporary political and social commentary it's not even worth running through them. Enterprise of course had the Xindi War, a blatant 9/11 story which had elements of the contemporary fear and paranoia of Muslims in the US following the attacks.

Even the recent JJ Abrams movies (ID specifically) had their own take on the modern military, drone strikes and the war on terror.

We can argue all day about how well these stories were told, or how successful they were at exploring political or social themes, but this is what Star Trek has ALWAYS been about, and I welcome "Picard" taking on today's issues.

[ForceChange77]

Originally Posted by packman80

I won't watch this for 2 reasons first I refuse to pay extra for a show that should be on their channel and not have to pay extra to see more shows. Second reason is I heard Patrick Stewart is going to put his political views into the show. Left or Right you should never use a show like this as a soapbox for one's political views.

Good god. Star Trek almost always had a political viewpoint

[rudzud]

Originally Posted by DontToewsMeBro

I respectfully disagree 100%

I don't want a re-gurgitation of an old show. Give me something new. Give me something modern not a re-imagining of what the early 1990's could accomplish.

In that case, don't give us a regurgitated plot point that was already done in Discovery (Starfleet = the enemy).

[A Levine]

Originally Posted by rudzud

In that case, don't give us a regurgitated plot point that was already done in Discovery (Starfleet = the enemy).

That plot point was done WAY before Discovery. Corrupt Admirals, corrupt Federation officials, has been a staple of Trek since the 60s. Picard defying orders was a key plot point in both First Contact and Insurrection.

But here, I don't think Starfleet is the enemy. It' seems to be just a case of Starfleet no longer being the humanitarian organization it once was, so Picard is forced to take it upon himself to do what's right, without their backing.

So far, I don't see this being "Picard Against Starfleet." And nor has Discovery been doing that really, either. The stories, thankfully, do not present Starlfeet/the Federation as monolithic. They simply have some individuals that are making the wrong choices.

[DontToewsMeBro]

Originally Posted by rudzud

In that case, don't give us a regurgitated plot point that was already done in Discovery (Starfleet = the enemy).

Did you even watch the first episode?

You're not even close.

[moistpaper]

Loving it!