Patrick Mahomes Prices

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

Man I have over 100 5K counts of all sports in storage from ripping over the years. I know I have a 2 5k's of regular 2017 Donruss including a row full of serial numbered. I couldn't find those, but I found a small handful of 2017 stuff in a hodge podge box.

Ended up finding --

2017 Optic Blue Prizm Mahomes RC /149
2017 Phoenix Refractor Mahomes RC

Not a bad $450-500 for an hour of digging. (Also found a Mixon Black Optic /25, and Watson Silver Holo Optic RC...guess I missed the boat on those this year lol)

Sweet finds!

[spacewrangler]

Originally Posted by pejc300

Yes. Those edges are horrendous, like 7 or 7.5. 8 at best. Does that card look "mint" to you?

2017 Contenders is a tough grade its hard to find one without ripped up edges

[pejc300]

Originally Posted by spacewrangler

2017 Contenders is a tough grade its hard to find one without ripped up edges

No doubt...but that doesn't mean one with white edges on all four edges is a 9...

[spacewrangler]

Originally Posted by pejc300

No doubt...but that doesn't mean one with white edges on all four edges is a 9...

No way haha raw card review is meaningless anyways.

[JWBlue]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Contenders Rookie Ticket Auto BGS 9.5 is currently at $13,600 with 7 hours left for the auction to end!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/143501118872

Closed at $14.1K.

Room for growth.

[Archangel1775]

I'm in $310 for a couple boxes of Optic Contenders. Its very tempting to bust with the prices Mahomes is getting. There there is Watson,McCaffrey and a few others.

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

I'm in $310 for a couple boxes of Optic Contenders. Its very tempting to bust with the prices Mahomes is getting. There there is Watson,McCaffrey and a few others.

The odds of hitting Mahomes are longggggg. You're probably better off selling a couple an picking out a nice Mahomes, but I suppose if everyone made the logical decision no wax would ever be opened! Best of luck if you decide to open and let us know what you get.

[starfox]

Another Mahomes!

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[arod305]

Anyone taking Mahomie profits and going to Miami?

I'd love to and considering it. However, tickets are absolutely nuts. Looking like $4k to just even get into the stadium, let alone have a nice seat.

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by arod305

Anyone taking Mahomie profits and going to Miami?

I'd love to and considering it. However, tickets are absolutely nuts. Looking like $4k to just even get into the stadium, let alone have a nice seat.

I thought about it for a split second when Jimmy got in, but I genuinely prefer watching games at home. For someone that enjoys going to games and is a fan of one of these teams it could be a once in a lifetime experience. The Patriots have spoiled people into thinking it's "easy" to get to the SB, when the reality (that many Chiefs fans are aware of) is that you could go 50 years without reaching one. I'm not a fan of any particular team, but I was a huge Marino fan growing up and I never got to see him play in a Super Bowl. It's crazy that my two favorite QBs are playing in one, although I'm not a "fan" in the sense I was with Marino.

[thenwhatjk]

Originally Posted by arod305

Anyone taking Mahomie profits and going to Miami?

I'd love to and considering it. However, tickets are absolutely nuts. Looking like $4k to just even get into the stadium, let alone have a nice seat.

Two super bowl tickets for a contenders seems pretty doable

[dave2424]

Until he wins the super bowl and contenders doubles down the road. I would take keeping the card and watching at home.

On the plane ride home I know I would be thinking I wish I still had that card.

[dave2424]

Nice seat for that game is probably a nt/99 and that is only for one seat. I would for sure regret selling that.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by ilikenicecards

I don't understand why people would let those knuckleheads (PWCC & Probstein) sell their cards for them. Anyone can use ebay, it's f'n easy.

While I agree with you that they are "knuckleheads" there are several reasons to use consigners (other than those you discussed)


1. More exposure to buyers on ebay.
2. hassle free: they list/sell/ship for you (useful for people like me who work 70+ hrs. a week)
3. No chargebacks/returns---they handle them.

[burke23]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

While I agree with you that they are "knuckleheads" there are several reasons to use consigners (other than those you discussed)


1. More exposure to buyers on ebay.
2. hassle free: they list/sell/ship for you (useful for people like me who work 70+ hrs. a week)
3. No chargebacks/returns---they handle them.

This is the big one for me. No dealing with the scum of eBay. And even if you don’t shill, PWCc and Probstein can get more in an auction than I can because I don’t list much. That can offset the cost of using them.

[pejc300]

Curious to see what happens if they win. I've been doing this a long time, and there is a strange phenomenon that happens almost like clockwork where a players wins the championship and his cards fall in the two to three months afterward. They go up during the hype and then the win is almost built into the prices and then they fall and you can get incredible deals and they don't start going up again until the next season is about to start.

Part of it could be because there is a huge supply immediately following a SB win as people scramble to cash in. This happened with both Steph Curry and Kevin Durant following their respective wins, as well as Lebron as well. Saw it with Foles too, although he's a different situation. It will be interesting for sure.

[spacewrangler]

Originally Posted by pejc300

Curious to see what happens if they win. I've been doing this a long time, and there is a strange phenomenon that happens almost like clockwork where a players wins the championship and his cards fall in the two to three months afterward. They go up during the hype and then the win is almost built into the prices and then they fall and you can get incredible deals and they don't start going up again until the next season is about to start.

Part of it could be because there is a huge supply immediately following a SB win as people scramble to cash in. This happened with both Steph Curry and Kevin Durant following their respective wins, as well as Lebron as well. Saw it with Foles too, although he's a different situation. It will be interesting for sure.

Definitely have seen this but not always. If he wins this one how many more Super Bowls can we expect him to win? Will people see this season as a magic run or the beginning of a dynasty? I think these are the sorts of questions that'll decide how many more buying opportunities we'll have.

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by spacewrangler

Definitely have seen this but not always. If he wins this one how many more Super Bowls can we expect him to win? Will people see this season as a magic run or the beginning of a dynasty? I think these are the sorts of questions that'll decide how many more buying opportunities we'll have.

How many more? People need to manage their expectations. If he finishes his his career with ONE Super Bowl win that's amazing. Look at how many talented players only have one ring (Rodgers, Brees, Etc.) A lot of guys got their first or second ring being carried by their defense (Roethlisberger/Manning). There will most likely never be another Brady, he is a ridiculous anomaly. There probably won't ever be another Montana or Bradshaw. Personally I think it is way more likely that Mahomes finishes his career as and all time stat leader than it is he wins 3+ SBs. Hopefully he can win at least one, because people are super strange in their beliefs that a QB needs a SB win to be legitimate.

[spacewrangler]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

How many more? People need to manage their expectations. If he finishes his his career with ONE Super Bowl win that's amazing. Look at how many talented players only have one ring (Rodgers, Brees, Etc.) A lot of guys got their first or second ring being carried by their defense (Roethlisberger/Manning). There will most likely never be another Brady, he is a ridiculous anomaly. There probably won't ever be another Montana or Bradshaw. Personally I think it is way more likely that Mahomes finishes his career as and all time stat leader than it is he wins 3+ SBs. Hopefully he can win at least one, because people are super strange in their beliefs that a QB needs a SB win to be legitimate.

Totally agree with everything you've written, both about expectations and stats being more important (to me) than rings. I'm posing these hypothetical questions as if the Chiefs had already won (big as if) and what the market could be asking come March.

Discussing an imagined post victory price dip is getting pretty ahead of ourselves though. If prices stay where they are right for the next 12 month I'll be very happy.

[starfox]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

How many more? People need to manage their expectations. If he finishes his his career with ONE Super Bowl win that's amazing. Look at how many talented players only have one ring (Rodgers, Brees, Etc.) A lot of guys got their first or second ring being carried by their defense (Roethlisberger/Manning). There will most likely never be another Brady, he is a ridiculous anomaly. There probably won't ever be another Montana or Bradshaw. Personally I think it is way more likely that Mahomes finishes his career as and all time stat leader than it is he wins 3+ SBs. Hopefully he can win at least one, because people are super strange in their beliefs that a QB needs a SB win to be legitimate.

It's not a strange belief; it's the new expectation. Expecting six is absurd. However, expecting two is reasonable for guy that is proven to be better than solid.

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[jswest18]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

How many more? People need to manage their expectations. If he finishes his his career with ONE Super Bowl win that's amazing. Look at how many talented players only have one ring (Rodgers, Brees, Etc.) A lot of guys got their first or second ring being carried by their defense (Roethlisberger/Manning). There will most likely never be another Brady, he is a ridiculous anomaly. There probably won't ever be another Montana or Bradshaw. Personally I think it is way more likely that Mahomes finishes his career as and all time stat leader than it is he wins 3+ SBs. Hopefully he can win at least one, because people are super strange in their beliefs that a QB needs a SB win to be legitimate.

The likelihood of 3+ is very small. Brady and Montana played in perfect scenarios. Both played for two of the greatest coaches of all time. Brady benefited by having great defenses, especially early, and Montana was throwing to the greatest receiver of all time along with other great talent around him. They are/were both great combinations of personal talent and outstanding exterior factors.

Mahomes also has talent around him and has a great coach, although Reid likely won't be considered one of the greatest all time unless the Chiefs pull off 3-4 SB over the next decade. I would argue that right now Mahomes is in a great scenario though. He's more talented than Brady and Montana but it remains to be scene if he's as clutch or as steady as those two. He also has a great situation with the talent around him and coaching. The Chiefs are in a good spot to be the favorite to go to the SB for several years moving forward. Who knows whether he actually wins any or not but the opportunity should be there.

IF he were to win 2 AND stay healthy then he's going to be right there in the discussion at least on par with Elway as one of the greatest of all time because he's going to be part of the all time stats/talent/ability discussion with Elway/Marino and he's also going to be on the short list of QBs (16 so far) to win multiple SBs. I think he'll surpass Elway in the discussion if he wins 2 SBs over the next decade because Elway's SB had more to do with Terrell Davis and a great defense by the time he won his than it did his personal greatness. If he were to manage 3 then he'll be on the list with Brady and Montana. I don't think he needs 4 or 6 to be in that discussion.

[MyckKabongo]

Dynasties are pretty normal in the NFL. If he wins this one, odds are he'll finish his career with 3 or more. This is really just simple probability math. He's only 24 in an era where good QBs excel into their forties. He is the best QB in an era where QB play is more important than ever before. His coach is a legend that's led his team to the playoffs damn near every year for the past 20 years. Run the numbers on how many SB winning QBs or teams or coaches won a prior SB in the prior 10 years. It's a LOT--like I said, dynasties are normal in the NFL. Honestly, Brees and Rodgers are more the exception that the norm. If Mahomes and Reid can break the seal here the league is effed.

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

Dynasties are pretty normal in the NFL. If he wins this one, odds are he'll finish his career with 3 or more. This is really just simple probability math.

LOL I'm sorry, but please show me that math.

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

While I agree with you that they are "knuckleheads" there are several reasons to use consigners (other than those you discussed)


1. More exposure to buyers on ebay.
2. hassle free: they list/sell/ship for you (useful for people like me who work 70+ hrs. a week)
3. No chargebacks/returns---they handle them.

This ^^^. Also, not having to deal with low ball offers and buyers trying to convince you that you should sell the card for their ask price.

[majestik101]

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

Dynasties are pretty normal in the NFL. If he wins this one, odds are he'll finish his career with 3 or more. This is really just simple probability math.

I'll take Fool proof logic for 800 Alex